Bosma Murder Trial 03.08.16 - Day 21

[Kamille]

Location of Brantford Bobcat in relation to Kemira Water Solutions. As I posted last night, it appears that they may have stayed in this area for at least 15-20 minutes as DM's cellphone pinged there (Paris Rd and Hardy) at 9:44pm and TB's phone powered down at 10:02pm. And according to this testimony, they should have been in this area around 9:44pm.

ETA: Okay so they passed Brantford Bobcat at 9:49pm. TB's phone was accessed at 10:01pm, powered down at 10:02pm. They were there for at least 10 minutes IMO.

https://www.google.ca/maps/place/58...2!3m1!1s0x882c6eecc1ee849f:0x308f5dae9862ff21

http://www.bobcatofbrantford.com/

 

[SnooperDuper]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 5m5 minutes ago
Had to assess time stamp accuracy. DVR was correct. Determined by sunset.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 3m3 minutes ago
Another video was examined from Bobcat of Brantford (350m from where #Bosma's cell was found).

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 3m3 minutes ago
He was searching for the two vehicles that appeared in Super Sucker video. When saw two vehicles, he checked to see if time/distance fit.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Vehicle passed Super Sucker at 9:20 pm. 9:39 pm pass Bobcat dealership. Fits with what Google Maps says. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 8s9 seconds ago
Expert then drove to Brantford Bobcat dealer, near where #Bosma phone was found. Took 20 mins from Super Sucker

 

[SnooperDuper]

I just speculated that it was a possibility. They drive to the field, DM pulls the gun and says something like "be cool, we're taking your truck. Don't move or I'll kill you. Smith gets in the other vehicle. The trucks pull away, the plan being to leave TB in the middle of nowhere without a phone. Tim contemplates the situation while Millard drives and decided to make his move when he believes Millard is distracted. The reason I theorize this is that no glass was found in the field and the witness testified that he didn't see any sort of a ruckus going on.

This could be the only possible scenario where one of them wasn't actually present, however as others have pointed out, if he's killed during a kidnapping they are both still guilty.

"Don't move or I'll kill you"...TB had a wife and daughter at home: why would he fight a man with a gun?

DM intended to kill TB with the gun, IMO, right from the start.

It is not fair to place the blame of TB's death on TB for somehow fighting or struggling with a gunman, when it seems absurd that he would do so.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 3m3 minutes ago
Jury now seeing video from Brantford Bobcat dealer about 350m away from where #TimBosma's cell phone was found

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Drive from SuperSuckers to Bobcat of Brantford took Plaxton (who drove it) 20 mins. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
Now seeing the field of view for the Bobcat camera.

 

[Kamille]

Mar 8 2016 3:07 PM
The timestamp on this video is also off by 58 minutes. The correct time on the video should be 9:49 p.m., Plaxton says. He says he always allows plus or minus one minute for mistakes, so he essentially added an hour here.

Mar 8 2016 3:08 PM
Court now taking the afternoon break. Back in 20 mins.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 32s33 seconds ago
Video begins at 9:49 pm. This video has sound. We'll see video after the break. #Bosma

 

[swedie]

He's never seen any other case where someone has done something so unspeakably foolish.

And they gave up their lives of freedom all over a truck. Greedy...&%($#%(. DM had gone down the road of murdering twice before and never got caught. He thought he was the perfect murderer, Dexter. Seems like DM had more to gain than MS IMO.

 

[Typhoo1961]

Mar 8 2016 3:07 PM
The timestamp on this video is also off by 58 minutes. The correct time on the video should be 9:49 p.m., Plaxton says. He says he always allows plus or minus one minute for mistakes, so he essentially added an hour here.

Mar 8 2016 3:08 PM
Court now taking the afternoon break. Back in 20 mins.

Arrrrrgggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
About to see Bobcat video (where vehicles were next captured). Timing fits with that 20 min drive, he says. Quick break for set up. #Bosma

 

[SnooperDuper]

And they gave up their lives of freedom all over a truck. Greedy...&%($#%(. DM had gone down the road of murdering twice before and never got caught. He thought he was the perfect murderer, Dexter. Seems like DM had more to gain than MS IMO.

TB was murdered by a loafer that made $125,000 a year for a material thing.

Remember, when he was talking about MB, he said he was "an extension of another life".

Another loafer loser?

Disgusting people.

 

[andreww]

DM is the one who allegedly shot his own father. That to me speaks volumes. When someone has the audacity to murder their own father because of greed, he was willing and eager to do it for a truck also. MS was his lost puppy who just followed him and helped him for a chunk of change. IMO DM was the shooter. Hopefully we will hear if there was any blood evidence found in the Yukon. If not, or if very minuscule amounts were found, to me that would suggest MS was not in the back seat of TB's truck when TB was shot. And we know these two aren't the brightest crayons in the box, an order of fries short of a Happy Meal, but I really don't think DM would have trusted MS with his gun, to fire it under DM's nose (if MS was outside the truck, on the driver's side) while aiming the gun at TB. But that's just ALL MOO.

Bottom line is, I hope they are both found guilty of first degree. Premeditation. MOO.

I've considered that argument, however there is a difference there. What Dellen wanted required from Walter Millard required him to be dead, there was no other option. In this case Millard did have options. Tim wife had and neighbour had already seen them. Thats not enough to call off a truck theft because frankly, the cops don't give a crap. But to commit murder when two people had just seen you? I have no doubt about the things DM would do, and I have no doubt that he had no problem shooting Tim if the circumstances called for it, but I still feel this is just a robbery gone bad.

 

[SnooperDuper]

I've considered that argument, however there is a difference there. What Dellen wanted required from Walter Millard required him to be dead, there was no other option. In this case Millard did have options. Tim wife had and neighbour had already seen them. Thats not enough to call off a truck theft because frankly, the cops don't give a crap. But to commit murder when two people had just seen you? I have no doubt about the things DM would do, and I have no doubt that he had no problem shooting Tim if the circumstances called for it, but I still feel this is just a robbery gone bad.

Why oh why would skinny little TB fight an armed gunman? I have a real problem with people suggesting TB did something to "deserve" being shot.

 

[andreww]

Why oh why would skinny little TB fight an armed gunman? I have a real problem with people suggesting TB did something to "deserve" being shot.

I take offence at that, I never suggested that. What I suggest is that TB may have been in transit to an increasingly rural area, against his will at gunpoint. In a situation like that you have to make the decision as to whether you are going to let these guys drive you to a remote area and put a bullet in your head, or are you going to pick a moment and fight back. That is a long way from suggesting that he "deserved" what he got.

 

[SnooperDuper]

I take offence at that, I never suggested that. What I suggest is that TB may have been in transit to an increasingly rural area, against his will at gunpoint. In a situation like that you have to make the decision as to whether you are going to let these guys drive you to a remote area and put a bullet in your head, or are you going to pick a moment and fight back. That is a long way from suggesting that he "deserved" what he got.

I don't think TB ever got the option to fight. They brought the gun to use it, because an incinerator was going to take care of all the evidence. ETA: I really doubt the perps were thinking, whoops, that was unexpected - good thing we have an incinerator. They drove directly to the farm to pick up the incinerator and to the hangar to use it, without pause. I think the incinerator was part of the plan.

 

[Dee2]

The premise of switching drivers could have put both DM and MS outside the vehicle with Tim still inside as well. Dungey just put out a hypothetical of a shot from outside the truck on the drivers side. If you knew you were going to shoot inside a vehicle you would probably want to be outside of it. I've though for a bit that the possibility of ricochet would unnerve anybody in a small, hard-surfaced space like a vehicle. This was yet another factor in my thinking that the killing was spontaneous/unplanned.

However...for the sake of argument, let's say that is what took place. Wouldn't that create an entirely different blood pattern than what was described here? MOO

 

[Tealgrove]

As an aside, I am so incredibly impressed with the work that Law Enforcement and the Crown have put forth to see justice for Tim. We have Waterloo Regional, Hamilton Regional, Toronto and I believe Halton Regional polices forces working jointly to see this through. I sense that these men and women have gone above and beyond to ensure the right outcome. We have an anthropologist who got inside the Eliminator and made sure that she got everything she could. We have blood, video, gsr, fingerprint people who didn't just say it can't be done and went out and proved what needed to be proved. LE get a lot of bad press at times but these people really deserve our respect and they have my admiration.

I feel the testimony building as we are moving along and the pieces are all falling into place nicely.

DM and MS can have their day in court and say they're Not Guilty but the evidence has shown so far that they are.

Waiting patiently for that day to come. MOO

 

[swedie]

Wonder if they can tell if it was MS driving the Yukon....

In his red hoodie and DM in his orange shirt. Hmmm. IMO the road was probably too far away from the camera and too dark to distinguish those details.

 

[andreww]

I don't think TB ever got the option to fight. They brought the gun to use it, because an incinerator was going to take care of all the evidence.

Well why wasn't the incinerator at the hanger where they needed it? Guns are used far more often to intimidate than they are to execute.

Whatever, we'll never know exactly what Tim may have done because his body was turned to dust. Smith and Millard will never tell the truth, so we are left to ponder what possibilities make sense.

And what did Millard tell people? "We're going to steal a truck". Would he do that if he was planning on killing someone?

 

[Kamille]

Mar 8 2016 3:34 PM
Court now back in session. Jury is being recalled.

Mar 8 2016 3:37 PM
Plaxton clarifying -- the accurate timestamp on the video is 8:48 p.m.

Mar 8 2016 3:38 PM
Court now seeing the video -- Plaxton says it's about 10 minutes long.

Mar 8 2016 3:39 PM
There is audio this video, but it's near the HVAC system, so there's a lot of background noise. "Just as the vehicle arrives there are two quite loud booming sounds quite close together," Plaxton says.

Mar 8 2016 3:40 PM
Okay, court now seeing the video.

Mar 8 2016 3:43 PM
Hard to tell exactly what is going on -- things are grainy and noisy, but headlights can be seen.

Mar 8 2016 3:47 PM
To anyone wondering, this video was shot at Bobcat of Brantford Inc, not far from where Bosma's cellphone was found. Court still watching.

 

[sab_bri]

I don't think TB ever got the option to fight. They brought the gun to use it, because an incinerator was going to take care of all the evidence. ETA: I really doubt the perps were thinking, whoops, that was unexpected - good thing we have an incinerator. They drove directly to the farm to pick up the incinerator and to the hangar to use it, without pause. I think the incinerator was part of the plan.

I have always wondered this. If it was always part of the plan, why didn't they bring this incinerator to the Hangar ahead of time? It does seem that it wasn't well planned out, thus could have been a last minute decision. IMO, MOO!