Bosma Murder Trial 03.10.16 - Day 23

[brightii]

Hussey seems extremely naive and I have a feeling may have potentially been suckered out of $5000 and/or his life. Getting paid 12.50/hour? Really?

Other thoughts: Getting Hussey and SS to go to a swamp in the wintertime to try and pull out the excavator is ridiculous. DM was able to get two grown men to actually attempt this?

Smich cleaning toilets after his friends...this tells me Smich was paying DM back for free rent? Other favours?

I found SH to be honest in his testimony and I'd prefer naive like him over callous like DM any day of the week, IMO.

Unlike DM, who is not known to have worked hard for his living, IMO, many others are willing to take any job they can find to pay the bills, including grunt work, as it seems SH did, IMO. I think SH was trying to better his lot in life and you're right, it's lucky he got away with his life never mind any money he could have lost, IMO.

In hindsight, I'll bet SH feels quite fortunate indeed to be away from DM and his "business", IMO.

All MOO.

 

[matou]

Also interesting:

RB distances himself from DM yet DM lived with his family for two years. Was this when DM was enrolled at the Toronto French School? It explains his many French friends who he would likely never have met via his own family situation.

RB states that the last time he had seen DM was in July 2012. The same month he takes off to Europe with his relatives and the same month LB disappears.

 

[matou]

I found SH to be honest in his testimony and I'd prefer naive like him over callous like DM any day of the week, IMO.

Unlike DM, who is not known to have worked hard for his living, IMO, many others are willing to take any job they can find to pay the bills, including grunt work, as it seems SH did, IMO. I think SH was trying to better his lot in life and you're right, it's lucky he got away with his life never mind any money he could have lost, IMO.

In hindsight, I'll bet SH feels quite fortunate indeed to be away from DM and his "business", IMO.

All MOO.

I never said he wasn't honest. He was being used and underpaid. He was likely going to become another victim IMO.

 

[Typhoo1961]

Yeah right, he hadn't heard of the Bosma case by then. Seems a lot of Millard's pals didn't watch TV, listen to the radio or read the paper, because from May 6-10 this was BIG news in these parts. I think all these guys knew exactly what was going on and simply turned a blind eye.

I was chatting with my niece the other day and mentioned the Bosma trial to her and she never heard of Tim Bosma. She doesn't look at the news or listen to the radio so it is possible others haven't heard of the Bosmas either. I was shocked my niece never heard of the trial and actually had to explain it to her about what was going on.

 

[swedie]

Some random thoughts in no particular order:

As for those who may have not heard about the Bosma case at the time, I suspect there were many. In fact, they probably did hear about it in passing, maybe saw a headline or something but didn't actively read any of the posts on social media or watch tv news, or read newspapers (how many young people read news papers these days anyway? Or sit down and watch television news?). In which case they wouldn't have really known any details, seen the pics of the truck, etc. My oldest daughter went for a couple of years intentionally not reading news & adjusted her social media streams to keep "news" out - she was that fed up with horrible things happening in the world. (She's now a rather die-hard social activist, go figure).

I find it rather curious that DM's uncle RB called DM's circle of friends his "entourage". I'd love to know if he said it sarcastically or matter-of-fact. Based on the tweets alone, it sounds like there is genuinely no love lost between uncle and nephew.

Lie, after lie, after lie, after lie. Between buying Tim's truck in KW and starting the pet cremation business, calling himself Evan instead of his given name, and everything else (not to mention the lies he initially told to LB's friend when he was looking for her), it seems lying comes as natural as breathing and blinking to DM. Say whatever you need to say to get what you want - and/or cover you own hide - at any given time. No doubt there are more lies he told to those closest to him, including SS and CN. I hope, like most people who find out they've been lied to, they're angry about that and desire to make the truth known, when they take the stand.

I have to wonder what kind of relationship brother and sister have had over the years, and have now? Perhaps we might find out at some point? Sounds like dear uncle tried to be supportive to DM. IMO stupidity and evilness are two traits that just cannot be fixed no matter how hard one tries.

I'm very impressed with the Crown. Each day brings about more reinforcement that DM is guilty as guilty can be of murder and MS's involvement in assisting DM. A huge thanks to all LE and experts who worked so diligently to gather all the evidence that has piled up against these two. Justice will prevail. MOO.

 

[brightii]

I never said he wasn't honest. He was being used and underpaid. He was likely going to become another victim IMO.

matou, I didn't intend to imply that you thought SH was dishonest. I just began my post by saying that's my impression of him.

Sorry! I should have worded my reply better. Please accept my apologies for any misunderstanding.

All MOO.

 

[matou]

I didn't see these tweets:

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 6h6 hours ago
That's a first. Physically blocked by police following a witness - Dellen Millard's uncle - out of the courthouse.

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 6h6 hours ago
You've seen them 100 times - the walking shot outside a courthouse. As a television reporter, this helps us tell a story.

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 6h6 hours ago
Cameras aren't permitted in the courtroom, so we rely on filming witnesses when they leave the courthouse, on the sidewalk-public property.

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 6h6 hours ago
We were blocked by police first at the elevator, so unable to see which exit the witness would use.

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 6h6 hours ago
When the witness emerged through a side door, police then ushered him back in the courthouse.

All about when RB left the courthouse.

 

[ArianeEmory]

If he listened to the radio at all, he would have known! There was no escaping SB's pleas and the media blitz around his disappearance! Even in a coffee shop, I heard about it, at Wal Mart in the line up, I heard it. It was plastered ALL over FB as well!! Sorry, I don't buy it unless he's a hermit with no social media devices!

This. My only issue is that we haven't been willing to let other past witnesses who saw the truck off the hook so easily. I'm glad that SH seems like a nice, genuine guy, but he had a lot of observations about how things ran at the hangar, so I assume he noticed that some things were a bit sketch--or, as matou said, he is simply naive. Unfortunately it can't be neither.

 

[matou]

SS literally did ANYTHING DM asked him to do. Amazing to have that much power. DM must have enjoyed living that way so much. Too bad DM. It's over now. JMO

 

[iknowhim2]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 3m3 minutes ago
Sachak: He had money. You had experience, skills and contacts.
Hussey agrees. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Sachak: "are you still nervous...am I making you nervous?"
Hussey: "A little bit." #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
Now talking about removing hay from barn. Eliminator was not concealed in any way.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 47s48 seconds ago
He also saw excavator at farm. Came from Hussey's father's company which sells heavy equipment.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 49s49 seconds ago
#Millard lawyer Sachak: are you still nervous? Hussey: yes. S: am I making you more nervous? H: a little #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 26s26 seconds ago
At the farm, Sachak says the eliminator was in plain sight in the barn. Not concealed with a tarp or hay. Hussey agrees. #Bosma

Yes, please intimidate the witness and make the vulnerable. It gives you GREAT respect from the jury. That poor guy.

 

[iknowhim2]

Really? Really?? He actually said that to the witness? Does he not know how many Christians are connected to this case and how offensive using Jesus' name that way is to Christians? :facepalm:

Adding: Tim was a Christian. Sharlene is a Christian. The Bosma family and most of Tim & Sharlene's friends, are Christians. I just find this completely disgusting that this lawyer would say such a thing. UGH.

I think that if we could have jumped across the room and slapped him for that, we would have. He seems as low and pathetic as DM and it's awful.

 

[brightii]

This. My only issue is that we haven't been willing to let other past witnesses who saw the truck off the hook so easily. I'm glad that SH seems like a nice, genuine guy, but he had a lot of observations about how things ran at the hangar, so I assume he noticed that some things were a bit sketch--or, as matou said, he is simply naive. Unfortunately it can't be neither.

I think there's huge difference that separates AJ and SH. AJ said he had a suspicion that it was TB's truck in the hanger yet wouldn't tell CS where to find it. SH testified that he didn't know about TB at the time he saw the truck, and as I know personally many, many people in my life had no clue about TB's story at the time, (and many still today have no interest), so SH's testimony sounds believable to me. AJ waited until AFTER LE showed up to the hangar before finally going to LE with the location of the truck.

SH may have been young and naive, but he said he wanted to start a real business with DM and I believe him. He just came across to me as credible and so I see no reason to doubt him.

All MOO.

 

[Gibson67]

"We've heard Mr. Bosma was killed sometime on May 6 late at night, but we've got Dell texting you about a meeting on May 7," Sachak says. That meeting didn't happen.
by Adam Carter 3:43 PM

I'm surprised he used the word killed here if his strategy is to say there was a struggle and it was an accident..unless he is going to pin it on Smich. I have never really seen him aggressively try to indicate that though, unlike Dungy who seems to more aggressively blame Millard.

 

[matou]

Video exhibit from yesterday's testimony, posted today:

[h=1]Tim Bosma Murder Trial: Moving the trailer Bosma’s bloodstained truck was in | EXHIBIT #99 (A)[/h]
[video=youtube;1YYycLlWCgQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YYycLlWCgQ&list=UUnsj4TU7mOQ-4l2HOaRekgA&index=1[/video]

 

[matou]

Actually the video would explain why the truck did the u-turn at the hangar. In today's testimony, we learn they grabbed an orange tarp.

 

[Kamille]

This. My only issue is that we haven't been willing to let other past witnesses who saw the truck off the hook so easily. I'm glad that SH seems like a nice, genuine guy, but he had a lot of observations about how things ran at the hangar, so I assume he noticed that some things were a bit sketch--or, as matou said, he is simply naive. Unfortunately it can't be neither.

I do think he was naive. And saw DM as something that he wasn't. Imagine how SH felt being held in high regard by a young " millionaire businessman" who was interested in going into business with him...for no financial input on his part. Almost seems to good to be true. Turns out it was. DM was using SH for the connections that HE had at the airport because he had another job there and had been making connections. DM had nothing other than a good deal on rent for a massive hangar he didn't have a clue how to launch a business in and an ever dwindling bank balance.

MOO

 

[Kamille]

Actually the video would explain why the truck did the u-turn at the hangar. In today's testimony, we learn they grabbed an orange tarp.

Do you think that's what they had the burned out seats in? And they remembered to get them out of the hangar too so they threw them in behind the truck at the last minute? Wonder where the orange tarp ended up? :waitasec:

MOO

 

[Errrr]

Yes, please intimidate the witness and make the vulnerable. It gives you GREAT respect from the jury. That poor guy.

I suspect the defence lawyer is pointing out the nervousness to the jury in the hopes it will make the testimony seem less credible....perhaps implying lying is going on? He has to impress his client after all.

 

[flipflop]

Is it strange that Burns didn't ask DM about the incinerator when he saw him? He said DM never mentioned it. But he also didn't ask? I wonder if that was intentional on his part, somehow, someway.

Did Burns see the Eliminator, I guess I missed this.

 

[Ontario Mom]

I think that if we could have jumped across the room and slapped him for that, we would have. He seems as low and pathetic as DM and it's awful.

If it helps, I think you were in good company today. While I don't advocate violence, sometimes a little hands-on ministry helps get the point across. Hugs to all of you.