Bosma Murder Trial 03.21.16 - Day 24

[Ontario Mom]

Maybe SS was in denial at this point and just wanted to help DM in case he was being wrongly suspected? Heck who knows. I suppose it's possible he really didn't believe DM had anything to do with this but just got caught up in buying a stolen truck.

 

[voominvava]

Is it possible that perhaps SS and AJ were told to not speak until the trial? Since they are both witnesses?

 

[Gibson67]

Maybe SS was in denial at this point and just wanted to help DM in case he was being wrongly suspected? Heck who knows. I suppose it's possible he really didn't believe DM had anything to do with this but just got caught up in buying a stolen truck.

true..but he has know this guy for 7 years..went on a trip with him for 3 1/2 weeks to Mexico and he couldn't ask him why AJ was fired? Maybe he knew and didn't want DM to know he was suspicious?

 

[paris_paris]

this is not adding up..if SS felt DM was involved in something, why even help him move the truck? He had to know by the police showing up and AJ being fired DM was into this big time..why not walk out and go to police..why be involved in hiding his red truck in case the hangar gets locked down? pfft right!!!!

Because he still thought DM had bought a stolen truck from somebody else.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Keep in mind that SS is a middle-aged, married man with kids, and DM and his buddies were young, single and carefree. You can expect that SS did not have a true buddy relationship with DM because, simply, he was that much older. Being older (and DM's mechanical teacher) may have put SS in a situation where he felt he had to look out for someone who was younger who had got himself into something unexpected.

 

[Tealgrove]

MOO

SS by this point knows that the Bosma truck was in hangar. FIL has called Crimestoppers and they know. I'm not sure I believe that SS didn't tell DM that FIL called Crimestoppers. SS is a self proclaimed big mouth that gets himself into trouble. I'm not sure he could hold that info back from DM.
Come on....your FIL gets "canned" and you don't ask why or know why? I'm not buying that.

I don't think SS was in on it at all but he did know from his FIL who owned that truck and from that point forward, you have to start doing the RIGHT THING!

His decisions after knowing that are questionable.

We are NOT GETTING, the truth, the whole truth and nothing but IMO.

If I work in a place and I know, that a hot truck was sitting in the middle of my workplace, my FIL has figured out who owns it, LE shows up, talks to my boss AND TO ME I would be freaking out. Add to that my boss now suggests that the hangar may get locked down by LE and he needs help moving a vehicle outside the hangar just in case and asks me to help - I AM DONE. I'M GONE.

SS isn't a murderer and he's not thief but his decision making is suspect that's for sure.

ALL MOO

 

[Gibson67]

the other thing I find strange is after AJ tells his son in law that it's the Bosma truck (confirmed)...would you not then go on the news and internet and find out whatever you can about that truck. The news was being reported with descriptions of the 2 men that walked up the driveway..would you not then clue in?

 

[SnooperDuper]

<rsbm>

SS isn't a murderer and he's not thief but his decision making is suspect that's for sure.

I think that's what AJ is feeling right now.

 

[lawstud]

Didn't LB go missing in July of 2012? And SS is saying the test burn didn't happen until Aug/Sept?

Yes but perhaps he/they kept her body in the barn. Remember that old barn board LE found in the barn that appeared to have blood stains on it that appeared to be an outline of a body. Once they got the Eliminator running, they did the deed then. MOO.

 

[ArianeEmory]

We also don't know what happened to the DIY incinerator.

 

[SnooperDuper]

I think what is surprising to me is how unquestioning SS was about the animal cremator. They spoke about a business to cremate pets once and then never again, and it never happened, and the incinerator remained parked in the barn?

You'd think there would be a lot of humour and discussion about DM's new business: "What's for lunch? BBQ hot dogs?"...but instead the topic was dropped and that was the end of it.

Of course DM started and stopped a lot of things: the Baja race was a bust, and so was the excavator shortly after DM got his hands on it. Maybe SS just thought it was another thing DM tried and abandoned with the luxury of all his wealth.

 

[puppyraiser]

Strange that not much was mentioned about the black truck suddenly disappearing or if SS had asked where it and the trailer went prior to the police arrival.

 

[DeepWoodsOff]

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 3m3 minutes ago
After they spoke to DM, police spoke to SS for 15 mins or so. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont &#8207;@susanclairmont 3m3 minutes ago
Crown asked about what, but Pillay objected. Crown moves on. Police were in uniform. Schlatman says he never talked to Dell about truck.

Anyone have any idea why the Crown would not be permitted to ask SS what the police discussed with him? I'm guessing there is a good reason or the Crown wouldn't have moved on so easily but it seems you should be able to ask a witness what was discussed with them directly. MOO

 

[brightii]

Am I remembering correctly that AJ testified that DM and SS were having a heated discussion at the hangar after LE had left? And then DM told AJ to get his things and leave?

IMO, SS knew or at least strongly suspected at the time that DM was involved with TB's truck theft (and perhaps more) and I find it hard to fathom that he didn't ask more questions of DM or that he didn't tip off DM that AJ had contacted CS.

I wonder why if SS knew that TB's truck had been in the hangar why he didn't tell LE when speaking with him for 15 minutes on May 10th? Or did he? It makes no sense to me what his motivation would be and why he would feel the need to protect DM, IMO. If he truly thought DM had bought a stolen truck, and he knew that truck was TBs when LE arrived, he should have talked then and there and not help DM cover his tracks, IMO.

And AJ and SS having no contact for the past almost 3 years is very disturbing especially in light of the fact that SS was in contact with MB until 2015, at least, IMO. The situation must have had a devastating impact on SS and AJ's related families too, IMO. So many people affected forever by DM and MS's behaviour, IMO.

All MOO.

 

[DeepWoodsOff]

I think what is surprising to me is how unquestioning SS was about the animal cremator. They spoke about a business to cremate pets once and then never again, and it never happened, and the incinerator remained parked in the barn?

You'd think there would be a lot of humour and discussion about DM's new business: "What's for lunch? BBQ hot dogs?"...but instead the topic was dropped and that was the end of it.

Of course DM started and stopped a lot of things: the Baja race was a bust, and so was the excavator shortly after DM got his hands on it. Maybe SS just thought it was another thing DM tried and abandoned with the luxury of all his wealth.

BBM I'm thinking you nailed it right there! And I'm starting to sense that the relationship between SS and DM didn't involved being permitted to ask a lot of questions. Just go about your business as instructed until told otherwise. MOO

 

[musicaljoke]

Anyone have any idea why the Crown would not be permitted to ask SS what the police discussed with him? I'm guessing there is a good reason or the Crown wouldn't have moved on so easily but it seems you should be able to ask a witness what was discussed with them directly. MOO

Because the police could better answer that question. The evidence might incriminate SS.

 

[Orgona]

I think it's possible SS believed DM bought a stolen truck without knowing it was stolen. In that case maybe DM told SS later he (DM) can't admit to that, because he would jeopardize the business his father worked so hard for. I think friendship can blind people to believe what they want to believe. DM was on the surface a friendly, rich guy to SS so it could have been easier for him to believe in DM's innocence than face the fact that the guy whom he was also in friendly relationship with, was a murderer.

I do believe SS is telling half truths on the stand. Like he didn't tell DM that AJ has called crime stoppers. For which other reason would DM have fired AJ that day? Unless at that time AJ already has gone to the police for real and the visiting officers told DM so. But that's not how I remember. Maybe he feels guilty about that and that's why he is trying to hide that fact now.

SS also stayed to work for MB, which to me kind of says he still could have believed in his relative innocence at that point in time.

I can also believe that AJ would not want to talk to SS if he believes he ratted him out to DM. Although we have no idea who really doesn't want to talk to whom.

Friendship and projected good image of a person can make his friends blindly believe in them. It's a human reaction, I have seen it many times before. It's much easier to believe one's friend was set up, than believe that she/he was a friend of a monster. It's human nature

 

[CJPRINCESS]

Anyone have any idea why the Crown would not be permitted to ask SS what the police discussed with him? I'm guessing there is a good reason or the Crown wouldn't have moved on so easily but it seems you should be able to ask a witness what was discussed with them directly. MOO

Maybe chop shop questions? Maybe we will see a case in regards to this at some point? Crown is trying to prove guilt and ill actions and defense is blocking anything that tarnishes their clients.

 

[ADAWG]

I think everyone is over thinking things here or thinking DM and SS are way closer friends then they actually.

1. I think AJ was fired because DM thought SS had told AJ about it possibly being the Bosma truck. AJ took it upon himself to call crimestoppers. I don't think SS told DM anything in regards to AJ calling the tip in.

2. Most things were said and done over text with regards to this. I don't think SS was oblivious at all. There is noway to tell body language etc. The stories seemed legit. He knew the guy for years and likely showed no signs of being a killer what wasn't their to believe. It all seems obvious to everyone now that the crown is putting this puzzle together.

3. There are probably many reasons he stuck around. He needed a job. Up and quitting you lose all income and don't qualify for EI. Also why not wait it out and have them either pay you a severance to get rid of you or continue to make money until something better comes up. At this point he probably still was in disbelief that his boss was guilty.

4. AJ likely is upset with him because he is convinced that SS told DM everything and put his life and family at risk. DM likely just fired him and never gave a reason. AJ was just an unpaid coop afterall.

 

[billandrew]

I was previously under the impression that DM moved TB's truck out of the hangar on Thursday evening because SS alerted him about AJ's call to Crimestoppers. However, SS said that he didn't tell DM about that. So what prompted DM to move the truck?

It could have been because of the meetings DM was having at the hangar the next day. The accountant in the morning, and Hussey et al in the afternoon. Surely DM didn't want any of these people to see TB's truck in the hangar. But if this is true, why not just move the truck into the trailer and leave it hidden there? Why move it all the way to Kleinburg?

I believe DM was somehow alerted to the fact that the hangar was a bad place to keep the truck, even if it was hidden inside the trailer. It's also extremely odd that DM sent SS a text, "I can't stop thinking about what that family's going through," and there is virtually no context behind it. Surely SS knew more about what was going on at the time.