Bosma Murder Trial 03.21.16 - Day 24

[Kamille]

It's better than letting things admitted into evidence that could be used later as a grounds for appeal (or mistrial) IMO

Just jumping off your post...

Well that's a whole other can of worms we don't need to open. I personally have a real problem with how this has transpired over the years. How juries are only getting about 50-60 percent of the facts now and how so much is thrown out as "prejudicial". All the fear of appeals and mistrials which is making judges make more rulings that the defense attorneys are using to get even more things thrown out in future cases. It's a vicious cycle. In this case, any overlapping evidence can jeopardize two or three cases so it's getting thrown out. So being charged with 2 or 3 murders is actually playing to their advantage. How is this justice? Not looking for an answer really, just venting. I know this can be a very contentious issue that would be way off topic.

MOO

 

[ADAWG]

My belief is the reason for omitted facts and half stories are a lot of SS testimony is he said she said type things and that a lot of it has been blocked by the defense.


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[Ironworker736]

Just jumping off your post...

Well that's a whole other can of worms we don't need to open. I personally have a real problem with how this has transpired over the years. How juries are only getting about 50-60 percent of the facts now and how so much is thrown out as "prejudicial". All the fear of appeals and mistrials which is making judges make more rulings that the defense attorneys are using to get even more things thrown out in future cases. It's a vicious cycle. In this case, any overlapping evidence can jeopardize two or three cases so it's getting thrown out. So being charged with 2 or 3 murders is actually playing to their advantage. How is this justice? Not looking for an answer really, just venting. I know this can be a very contentious issue that would be way off topic.

MOO

Well, I'm no law expert but maybe it would have been smarter to lay those other charges after this trial was finished. Just a thought.

 

[Kamille]

Why didn't they just smash the windshield of the red truck to get the VIN and get a replacement windshield? :wondering:

The red truck was a practice run in trying to figure out how to do it? Because they also needed to remove the windshield in the black truck to do the swap. Smashing them both and replacing them would have gotten a little pricey...not to mention the risk of someone at an auto glass repair shop noting the VIN.

MOO

 

[Ontario Mom]

Is it raining? Why do people cover their face if they've got nothing to hide? MOO.

I can't speak for SS and wouldn't even if I could, but this question comes up a lot in different political forums. It's really simple: protection of privacy. While SS was called to testify and his name is now a part of the public record, the public actually has zero rights to see his face, ask him questions, etc. Since he's not been charged or convicted of anything, his right to privacy is protected by law.

 

[Kamille]

Well, I'm no law expert but maybe it would have been smarter to lay those other charges after this trial was finished. Just a thought.

Pretty sure there's a legal argument that says that would have been prejudicial too. J/K, I have no idea if that would have been possible.

MOO

 

[Arnie M]

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99.8% of the posters on this forum hide their identity yet blast SS for covering his face as he was exiting the trial .... HAAAA

After almost 3 years none of us know who did what to TB and his truck yet everybody insists SS should have figured it all out within 2 days of the theft .... HAAAA

AAHH the irony .... it was Dellen's mom who ended up being the only person to put some actual aircraft in the aircraft hangar ... Good on you MB !!!!!

After my insistence 3 years ago that the barrels in the barn had nothing to do with the case and then darn SS went and welded 3 of them together .... I will have to go eat my hat and do penance .... HAAA

On a serious note , I would like to know where that barrel-incinerator ended up .... did DM use his excavator to bury it on the farm ... and what is inside it .

Interesting that police suggest LB was incinerated yet the eliminator was not working until August which was more than a month after she went missing. ... did police find any big old freezers around ???

Will Franks Red Hot Sauce improve the taste of hats ???? ... I will let you know .... HAAA

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[Kamille]

I can't speak for SS and wouldn't even if I could, but this question comes up a lot in different political forums. It's really simple: protection of privacy. While SS was called to testify and his name is now a part of the public record, the public actually has zero rights to see his face, ask him questions, etc. Since he's not been charged or convicted of anything, his right to privacy is protected by law.

It's a little late to shut that barn door though. His face has been all over the media and internet since this story first broke. Standing proudly with the "boss" on his 2011 trip to Baja posing with the original truck and trailer.

What was the reason he gave today for DM's bad finish in that race? A tree hit the ignition and broke it? Was that when the driver rolled the vehicle? How else would a tree hit the ignition? He can't even tell the truth about that? SMH

MOO

 

[brightii]

I think it's likely pretty natural that many witnesses would be averse to being associated with this trial and especially with DM or MS, so I can understand it.

Still it's my perception that those who seemed to give sketchy testimony IMO, (ie LW and SS) may have wanted to avoid showing their faces because they themselves know how they came across on the stand, where in contrast witnesses like SH whom I perceived to be an honest witness with a clear conscience, while not courting the cameras, didn't avoid them either. I imagine RB wanted to avoid the cameras because he has a thriving business and a good reputation that he doesn't want tarnished by his association with DM. IT may fear repercussions still from DM and/or his entourage? Who knows? These are all just my impressions and opinions. Anyone walking in a public space cannot have any expectation of privacy, IMO, regardless of being a witness in this trial or just an average citizen.

All MOO.

 

[LoyalSleuth]

Are we still thinking SS is the person DM wanted his gf to get to change his testimony? Nothing seems extremely inflammatory to me about what he has said except for the bs texts feeling sorry for Tim's family.

I think it was MM.

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[Typhoo1961]

99.8% of the posters on this forum hide their identity yet blast SS for covering his face as he was exiting the trial

I tell ya, if I were leaving a courthouse after testifying as a witness I wouldn't be hiding my face. I have nothing to hide (and neither did AJ when he left the courthouse).

Will Franks Red Hot Sauce improve the taste of hats ????

Probably not. That stuff is gross.

:yuck:​

 

[brightii]

As for MB finally getting aircraft and business into the hangar, IMO that could well have been a strategic decision to help DM prove his suggestion that he was going to start a hotel for planes business. Even though DM never actually accomplished it, MB showed it was possible and I think it was done with DM's defence in mind, IMO.

I wonder if SH was approached by MB to help her with the new business direction after DM's arrest? It would seem to me he was more qualified to assist her in such a venture than the vehicle mechanic/secretary, SS, IMO.

All MOO.

 

[MsSherlock]

Just jumping off your post...

For what though? What would he possibly have said to a lawyer? If he wanted to retain a lawyer, he should have told the LE officers who showed up at the hangar that he had nothing to say and that he would be calling his lawyer. Again, either SS is making that up to try to explain why he went to the bank to get $3000 or DM lied to him about it. I'd say it's the former and SS has had a lot of time to come up with these little gems. I wonder if that was in his original testimony? DM still had a truck that was stripped clean but still full of blood and gunshot residue in his mother's driveway to get rid of at that time. How was he expecting a lawyer to help him out with that?

MOO

DM had just closed the Distillery condo deal on the 7th. IMO, considering how busy DM was between the 7th and 10th, he may have had a legitimate appointment with his lawyer to pick up the keys- those aren't handed over until the deal closes. The Distillery condo would have been a great place for DM to hide out at- probably the only place that LE wouldn't find him at. I've been trying to think the way a delusional psychopath would. What did the cops have on him? They didn't have his DNA, there was no body, no truck, no cell phone and his whole social circle would never think of turning him in. No one was talking. In DM's world, they had nothing. IMHO, first concern on DM's list would have been DM and IMO, he needed to get himself and his Yukon in hiding. Get the keys to his new pad and wait it out. He knew his bank card and credit cards could be traced. I originally thought the 3K was for CN, but now I'm thinking it was just hold over money for him until the heat passed or he figured something out. MOO

 

[Prairie_dawg]

I caught that too. I wonder why he needed the ext of the office phone, I assume. What was so pressing that they needed to talk on a landline, rather than the cell phones that they were already in their hands.

Makes me wonder how often they used it if DM didn't even know his best employee's ext #. I wonder if there was evidence on the old phone that required getting rid of it. Did LE get that old one turned over too? I apologize if this seems like sleuthing the witness but IMO its relevant. ie Turned over the NEW empty phone with the scripted texts but left out the old phone that was now out of play?

 

[Massasauga Rattler]

The homemade incinerator at the hangar...

https://twitter.com/liamdevlincasey?lang=en

Yeah, that looks safe.

Looks more like a prototype of a North Korean, ICBM. Maybe Millard Air was a cover for Kim Jong Un's secret missle program, and SS was his Wernher von Braun (he's got the appropriate initials in any case).

 

[hopingforjustice]

I know it is not proper to link to such things as FB groups but I think it is important to note that one group just posted a very serious post that one or more FB Groups have members that have attended court posting restricted material. There is no doubt that we would all love to see that info but we will in due time. Importance right now is to ensure that this trial goes through without any glitches to ensure no mistrials from excited followers. We owe that to Tim! If you see any such posts, please report them immediately.

Mods if this is not appropriate, I understand your actions.

 

[Massasauga Rattler]

I know it is not proper to link to such things as FB groups but I think it is important to note that one group just posted a very serious post that one or more FB Groups have members that have attended court posting restricted material. There is no doubt that we would all love to see that info but we will in due time. Importance right now is to ensure that this trial goes through without any glitches to ensure no mistrials from excited followers. We owe that to Tim! If you see any such posts, please report them immediately.

Mods if this is not appropriate, I understand your actions.

Yeah, not cool.

A question though...if the group (and I have no idea which group this is) is US based, how do you regulate that here? I remember during the Bernardo trial, the Buffalo newspapers published all kinds of stuff that was under publication ban in Canada.

 

[CJPRINCESS]

It's a little late to shut that barn door though. His face has been all over the media and internet since this story first broke. Standing proudly with the "boss" on his 2011 trip to Baja posing with the original truck and trailer.

What was the reason he gave today for DM's bad finish in that race? A tree hit the ignition and broke it? Was that when the driver rolled the vehicle? How else would a tree hit the ignition? He can't even tell the truth about that? SMH

MOO

My hubby and I are trying to figure this out as well. He has been off roading since he was 3 (now 41) and has never heard of this happening (hit a tree and knock off the ignition) And we have seen some pretty nasty rolls and tree whacks where the rigs fired right back up.

He also said "unlikely to hit a tree in the middle of a Desert...maybe a Cactus but not many trees in a Desert to his knowledge"

 

[SnooperDuper]

My hubby and I are trying to figure this out as well. He has been off roading since he was 3 (now 41) and has never heard of this happening (hit a tree and knock off the ignition) And we have seen some pretty nasty rolls and tree whacks where the rigs fired right back up.

He also said "unlikely to hit a tree in the middle of a Desert...maybe a Cactus but not many trees in a Desert to his knowledge"

There exist desert trees, like mesquite and palo verde, sure. They don't grow big like oaks but they are trees.

 

[Ontario Mom]

I knew about it first thing May 7 from the Tim Hortons drive through server (who I had never met before in my life) at a location near Brantford. EVERYONE close to Ancaster was talking about it.

While I know it *seems* like all kinds of folks in s. Ontario were talking about it, the fact is, there were LOTS of people that knew nothing about it at all until DM's arrest or ever after. I knew all about it as soon as the media blitz began but my hubby new *nothing* about it until the day the arrested Millard and we heard the breaking news over am980 in the van. He (hubby) knows I follow cases like this and immediately turned to me and asked 'you know this case?' and I said 'yep, sure do'.

There are folks that don't follow or pay attention to local news, folks that work continental shifts that have a hard time keeping up with news, older folks NOT on social media, and younger folks more concerned with *whatever* than local news. While Tim's MISSING poster was virtually everywhere by the time Millard was arrested, I'd venture to guess there were untold numbers of folks that truly knew nothing about this case until well after DM was arrested. And even then, didn't really pay much attention since, it's just another sick, twisted, evil case of self-centeredness populating the news cycle.