Bosma Murder Trial 03.22.16 - Day 25

[Kamille]

Susan ClairmontVerified account ‏@susanclairmont 6m6 minutes ago
Some of the Toronto media covering the #Bosma trial have been called back to cover the death of #RobFord.

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
Black nitrile gloves, for example--Zivolak collected those from Det. Kavanagh's office, delivered them to CFS. Filled out forms. #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Satchel seized from washing machine at Millard's Maplegate Crt home was put into storage locker. Zivolak then transported it to CFS. #Bosma

 

[Velma]

Moodie now asking about a toolbox that was seized in relation to the investigation. A gunshot residue particle was found inside.
by Adam Carter 11:38 AM

Zivolak's testimony is pretty dry, but it's necessary to show that evidence was held and catalogued properly.
by Adam Carter 11:40 AM

He's now talking about the seizure of Tim Bosma's toothbrush and tshirt, which were used for DNA testing.
by Adam Carter 11:41 AM

 

[andreww]

Its odd how SS provides the power washer, meaning the truck is still covered in blood the first time he sees it.

 

[Kamille]

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 4m4 minutes ago
A toolbox, seized from Smich's Montrose Abbey home, was boxed up and sealed. Transported to locker. Then sent to CFS. #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 4m4 minutes ago
CFS will not accept exhibits that have not been properly sealed, Zivolak explains. #Bosma

Susan ClairmontVerified account ‏@susanclairmont 3m3 minutes ago
Zivolak is going through each exhibit: when/where seized; seal number; storage locker; where moved to...etc. #Bosma

Susan ClairmontVerified account ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
Now Tim's toothbrush and T-shirt. Used for DNA testing by CFS. #Bosma

 

[lostinrevelry]

Welcome lostinrevelry :welcome:

Thanks for your insight on the proceedings yesterday. It is really helpful to get all the info we can from the courtroom that is not under publication ban.

So DM didn't have an issue getting into the hangar after hours himself that night? And the code was never changed? Although it didn't appear he knew the code anyway? So he just used his remote too? As you can see I'm still confused. LOL

MOO

I definitely agree. On days I don't attend and am reading along I feel like I get very quickly confused. Each member of the press may think a different fact being presented is the most important, and to some of us the fact they skipped was more important. Being in the court room definitely helps you get all of the information because even if it seems trivial, it can be helpful in making sense of everything.

It's definitely fair to say, as necessary as it most definitely is, the publication ban also leads to a lot of confusion and assumption because people simple don't know what is being discussed or argued. I found myself re reading my first post quite a few times to make sure I hadn't accidentally included something that I should not have. I think that is part of the reason I held off so long on posting.

I don't remember exactly about the code being changed, forgive me. However I believe the point of the key fobs is to have push button access. Meaning you don't need the code. SS asked for the code because he had locked his access(fob) inside. If this is how it works, I believe DM would only need his fob to be able to enter but I don't believe that was fully discussed.


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[Velma]

Moodie now asking about blood swab evidence that was seized from the Bosma truck. An expert previously testified that a "bloodletting event" happened in the truck.
by Adam Carter 11:45 AM

"Throughout the course of this investigation, we had a room with secure locker space," Zivolak says -- that's just for this one case. Speaks to the high volume of evidence being processed.
by Adam Carter 11:50 AM

 

[Velma]

Moodie is still asking about blood swabs on specific areas of Bosma's truck. You can read more about that here:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamil...t-happened-inside-truck-expert-says-1.3479265
by Adam Carter 11:54 AM

 

[lostinrevelry]

SS evidence Not complete after 3 years? Odd

I believe the Judge just means his evidence for the jury is not yet complete. Just meaning he will be returning and there will be more evidence for them from him. Just not today.

I don't think they mean anything about the actual evidence not being complete.


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[Abitcountry]

Sorry, I'm kind of not clear about what you are saying concerning the legal arguments . How would legal arguments be manipulated? Or do you mean manipulation by legal arguments?

Well if the defense had no arguments when they first saw everything as was revealed in disclosure ....then I wonder if their objections during the trial may have to do with stalling or some other ploy ......the same facts come out on the witness stand now and and what??? the defense gets cranky, comes to life and ties things in knots!

Let's face it...we did not hear a whole lot of impressive dialogue when any of the defense lawyers have conducted cross examination. So naturally, I am wondering what 'brilliant' legal arguments have come so frequently to mind during the past few weeks of the trial....

(Oh I may just be having my own personal hissy fit here...sorry)
While I do appreciate the fact that we have journalists right in the courtroom keeping us informed--there are obviously some shortcomings. I think my present frustration with the 'never ending' legal arguments would not be an issue if I was bodily present in the courtroom.....and then again???

 

[Velma]

Moodie now asking about the collection and storage of gunshot residue. You can read more about that testimony here:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/news/tim-bosma-trial-gun-likely-fired-inside-truck-1.3481024
by Adam Carter 11:59 AM

Again, this is "continuity evidence," -- just saying how evidence was moved from one place, held in a locker, and then in many cases, sent to the Centre for Forensic Sciences.
by Adam Carter 12:03 PM

 

[Velma]

Moodie now asking about how the spent shell casing that was found inside Tim Bosma's truck was stored. The location of that shell casing has been contentious:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamil...ar-over-shell-casing-found-in-truck-1.3474343
by Adam Carter 12:08 PM

Moodie now asking about the collection of evidence of blood found on the Eliminator, which was likely Tim Bosma's.
by Adam Carter 12:11 PM

We're now taking the lunch break. Back at 1:30 p.m.
by Adam Carter 12:15 PM

 

[Prairie_dawg]

Its odd how SS provides the power washer, meaning the truck is still covered in blood the first time he sees it.

Exactly my thoughts. You cannot tell me SS did not go have a look at the 'new' truck his boss just acquired. He would be all over it. It may be one of those points that is/has been argued away. Remember, he is only expected to testify along lines of whatever statement he may have given to police. If he never mentioned seeing blood then he is either omitting alot of details covering for his boss or is blindly naive. Its just not logical that he would NOT have had a look.

 

[Kamille]

Well this witness sure took the wind out of the sails of what looked to be an interesting week. LOL Not much point posting the tweets because AC's blog is pretty much covering what is going on. Which even he says is pretty "dry" testimony.

If anyone wants to pick up the tweets other than Adam Carter's blog after the lunch break that would be great. I'll be in an out for most of the afternoon and won't be able to do it. TIA

 

[Velma]

Well this witness sure took the wind out of the sails of what looked to be an interesting week. LOL Not much point posting the tweets because AC's blog is pretty much covering what is going on. Which even he says is pretty "dry" testimony.

If anyone wants to pick up the tweets other than Adam Carter's blog after the lunch break that would be great. I'll be in an out for most of the afternoon and won't be able to do it. TIA

If no one else can pick up the other tweets, I'll at least continue AC's blog in hopes that something news-worthy happens

 

[Gumshew]

Well if the defense had no arguments when they first saw everything as was revealed in disclosure ....then I wonder if their objections during the trial may have to do with stalling or some other ploy ......the same facts come out on the witness stand now and and what??? the defense gets cranky, comes to life and ties things in knots!

Let's face it...we did not hear a whole lot of impressive dialogue when any of the defense lawyers have conducted cross examination. So naturally, I am

wondering what 'brilliant' legal arguments have come so frequently to mind during the past few weeks of the trial....

(Oh I may just be having my own personal hissy fit here...sorry)
While I do appreciate the fact that we have journalists right in the courtroom keeping us informed--there are obviously some shortcomings. I think my present frustration with the 'never ending' legal arguments would not be an issue if I was bodily present in the courtroom.....and then again???

I think if it were just stalling tactics the judge would have been annoyed by now. They might not be "brilliant" legal arguments either, just important to defending DM and/or MS. It's pretty much the nature of defence to make sure certain things are guarded. So far the arguments seem be pretty relevant. A more interesting observation would be to count how frequently the judge allows the arguments to stand.

 

[Kamille]

Exactly my thoughts. You cannot tell me SS did not go have a look at the 'new' truck his boss just acquired. He would be all over it. It may be one of those points that is/has been argued away. Remember, he is only expected to testify along lines of whatever statement he may have given to police. If he never mentioned seeing blood then he is either omitting alot of details covering for his boss or is blindly naive. Its just not logical that he would NOT have had a look.

For me, it just means that IMO he knew very well what was going on during that week, even if he himself never participated in the theft and murder, and he likely was already covering for himself and DM when LE first showed up to speak to him, which is now showing in his testimony. I didn't think all along that we'd get much from SS. Regardless of what he's trying to relay to the jury about his relationship with DM, I'd say he was one of DM's most trusted friends and therefore knew a LOT about him and his activities. For someone like DM who appears to have control issues, it seems that the only person whom he released any control to, especially with regards to that hangar, was SS. But at the same time, he kept SS on his toes with regards to who was the "boss" while also keeping him loyal with "rewards".

MOO

 

[Prairie_dawg]

I find the whole media blackout (on legal arguments) frustrating. For those who have the ability to attend they get access to the info, while those of us on the other side of the country we do not. We must patiently wait for what scraps are allowed to be reported on.

I have been aware of this case since day one from seeing national news and was appalled at the brazen crime over a lousy truck. My thoughts certainly go out to the Bosma family, I cannot imagine what they have been through. I would, if I lived in the area be at the court but cannot. It just seems like a strange compromise that attendees can hear the objections but then cannot report. It almost should be behind close doors if they truly want blackout, especially this day in age. Nobody of course would want that. The only way we can we keep our courts feet to the fire is by allowing media to keep it in check. (me venting my frustration)

 

[NashBridges2]

Maybe he just remembered some things he had 'forgotten' yesterday. :facepalm:

The crown is fighting hard to have stuff included, the defense is figh ing hard to have it excluded.

 

[matou]

Tim Bosma Murder Trial: Text messages from Dellen Millard to Shane Schlatman | EXHIBIT #107

[video=youtube;EcIbJwjpRwE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcIbJwjpRwE[/video]

 

[Nickandnora]

I'm inclined to think it is the crown that has posed legal arguments this time. I haven't figured out how to post links yet, but yesterday tweet post #236 Shannon Martin said, Crown is now finished with Schlatman. I am taking that to mean he is now up for cross examination.