Bosma Murder Trial 03.23.16 - Day 26

[Yendys]

From Google Earth you can see that the backyard has been paved to be a parking lot and is pretty secluded from anyone other than a resident of the house, due to a treeline out back. Was probably about the most private area to do something to the truck that these guys had in the GTA.

If TB's truck was washed with the hose at Riverside it would have to be outside the trailer. With 4 of the 6 units rented IIRC, I think someone in the neighbourhood would have noticed the trailer and or the truck being winched back into the trailer after being rinsed.

I believe the hose was used for cleaning up something. Possibly the truck at an earlier time at the hanger as the power washer was not available until early am of the 8th and on this day the truck was in the middle of the hanger on tarps.
If the hose was used to wash away anything at the Riverside location that was not already burnt at the farm - cremains have been suggested. I'm not convinced on this as cremains and water create a rather gummy sticky slim that is had to hide.
All MOO of course

 

[MsSherlock]

If he never reported the money then it wouldn't be just painting him dishonest. He's dishonest period.

Really? IMHO, JV seems to be a very credible witness who's earning a living and not living off the system. IMO, not filing tax returns for a couple years doesn't make you a "criminal" like the type that murder people- the CRA has ways of dealing with non-filers. IIRC, he filed for 2012, so he's only a couple of years behind. This is the funny thing- the CRA finger may point at DM. FWIK, JV worked exclusively for DM- thus he can't be considered an independent contractor. Was DM claiming the income from his car leasing business? Was DM remitting CPP, EI and WSIB or withholding taxes? In essence, he's ripping JV and his family off of their Canada Pension!! IMHO, DM was the employer. Just another indication of the dishonesty DM's capable of and another example of how DM didn't really care. MOO

 

[sleuther76]

:floorlaugh:

Have no fear, his turn is coming. But his relationship to the main perpetrator is starting to become more and more clear with each new witness. What do we think would have happened if DM had taken JV on the test drive with him instead of MS? Same result, but with a different co accused? Or would JV have reacted differently to the suggestion of stealing a truck and killing the owner? Did DM just know which "employee" was more suited to each task he wanted to carry out?

MOO

How do you know DM suggested that they steal a truck and kill someone? I bet MS didn't even know about a plan to kill someone IMHO. Had DM brought JV on the test drive the same outcome would have occurred, just a different co-accused ... this begs to question, is it just that MS is being tried for 1st degree murder. MOO

 

[Massasauga Rattler]

I'm not convinced on this as cremains and water create a rather gummy sticky slim that is had to hide.
All MOO of course

you mean like the residue on the gloves found in the truck when DM was arrested?

 

[sleuther76]

MS defence team didn't contest the fact that it was MS' phone.

There is no evidence to contest. They showed A phone moving from point A to point B to point C. Once they show hard evidence to suggest it was his phone (i.e. a receipt for example or someone calling him regularly) then they can contest that. I also think the cell is a mute point other than to show MS was at those locations. That alone does not prove 1st degree murder.

 

[Yendys]

IMO, not filing tax returns for a couple years doesn't make you a "criminal" like the type that murder people- the CRA has ways of dealing with non-filers. IIRC, he filed for 2012, so he's only a couple of years behind. MOO

Agree, I know people that for various reasons are a couple of years behind in taxes and yes, child tax credit is not issued for those years in arrears until caught up, but criminals these people are not. MOO

 

[Yendys]

you mean like the residue on the gloves found in the truck when DM was arrested?

Those gloves are grey and black for sure but I would have thought LE would have spilled the details if it was cremains before now, maybe not, those gloves do come two toned.

 

[Melzack]

Apologies for getting off topic but when some of the witnesses saw the truck at the hangar and the carpet pulled out, didn't they see any blood stains on the carpet? I would think that there would be a lot of blood on them. I'm sure that Shane guy saw a lot more going on and didn't even think twice about the helpless victim and his family.

 

[Gibson67]

I wonder if MS and MM will be crown witnesses in WM's trial against DM? After all they were living in the basement at the time. Very interesting..I wonder if MS had anything to do with the charges laid against DM for his father's murder. I feel so bad for all these witnesses..as most will prob have to endure all these court proceedings for years. I am sure most will be called for all the other trials as well..so sad.

 

[MsSherlock]

I think I can see where Sachak is heading and the scheming and planning by DM to frame V in these text messages between SS and DM. It has the "feeling" DM set V up from the get go. V knew DM was interested in a diesel Dodge So was that part of the planning to show V knew DM wanted this truck (DM deliberately left the Kijiji site open to TB's truck ad knowing V was going to be in the house to see it? Asks him if he saw anything on the computers at Maplegate. V says he saw 'like a black pickup truck similar to this one.) Is DM's defense going to try and claim it was V along with DM for the test drive and V's the one who murdered TB? Was it in DM's preplanning to have MS pull his hoodie over his head so SB and WD couldn't identify MS, later saying it was V on the test drive with him?

Did DM tell his attorney that he gave TB money to purchase his truck, asked V to drive TB's Dodge, return TB home and then drive to the hangar while he fetched the Yukon saying he would meet V back at the hangar? When V showed up this is when DM found out TB was murdered? DM being the fantastic, wonderful employer and friend could no way turn his faithful employee in, therefore he was going to help cover for V. Or DM headed home in the Yukon after the test drive and when he returned to the hangar days later, he found this black Dodge ram with its interior stripped. DM needed time to think about what to do next and was in shock. The day DM was arrested, claims are according to texts, he was on his way to the bank and then to his lawyer to seek legal advice about what he should do because he knew his dedicated employee had committed murder. Is this what Sachak is going to try and imply? If this is the case...total premeditation and planning. Guess we'll have to wait and see what comes out next week. :crazy: MOO.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes Mar 21
Texts from May 9. At 9:49pm DM texts SS: "I can't stop thinking about what that family's going through."

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes Mar 21
At 10:22pm, DM: "I want to take it back, but I'm a little concerned (at) how that's going to play out."

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes Mar 21
At 10:26pm SS: "ya that's a tough call man. Have you considered goin to cops? Tell em ya bought this truck but you think it's warm"

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes Mar 21
Then DM responds: "hypothetically: if this is the same one, I'm in a lot of jeopardy: what truck?"

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes Mar 21
After police left there was discussion of moving the red pickup from the hangar.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes Mar 21
The truck was sometimes at the hangar, Schlatman says. Guys doing work on his properties would sometimes use it for work.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes Mar 21
SS says DM said he wanted to have a vehicle outside the hangar in case he hangar was locked down.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes Mar 21
SS texted a friend who lived nearby. Asked if he could park it there.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes Mar 21
Dell drove the truck, SS followed in his minivan. Dell dropped off the truck behind the house & SS drove them both back to the hangar

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes Mar 21
Says DM said he was then going to go to the bank and talk to his lawyer.

Yeh- Dell wanted the red pick up truck outside so he could switch it back with JV. He was probably going to get JV to pick it up there and leave the van for DM. Then, when the trailer was found at MB's house (and I'm assuming that JV knew where MB's lived) JV would be left holding the bag. DM ran out of time. JV may not have gotten paid, but he narrowly escaped being fingered for TB's murder. Then again, DM left tracks all over the place so the framing JV was going to fail regardless. MOO

 

[Arnie M]

Apologies for getting off topic but when some of the witnesses saw the truck at the hangar and the carpet pulled out, didn't they see any blood stains on the carpet? I would think that there would be a lot of blood on them. I'm sure that Shane guy saw a lot more going on and didn't even think twice about the helpless victim and his family.

I think what they meant by the carpet "pulled out" was the carpet had been removed. I doubt the blood soaked seats and carpet were left laying around the hangar .... most likely they were already at the farm being burned in the field.

 

[swedie]

It's in the best interest of a low income employee to file their taxes on time if they intend to apply for the Child Tax Benefit and HST credits, which are significant.

But, what do you do when your boss doesn't issue a T-4? If you claim the income anyway, then your boss gets investigated by CRA about why there were no T-4s issued. It makes a very awkward employer-employee relationship.

If the witness eventually filed his taxes, then there may have been a payroll paper trail. Did MB figure it out and complete the missing paperwork? There would be some whopping fines to pay! Hopefully the guys were able to collect EI when DM was carted away.

Personally I don't think it was MB who figured "it" or anything else out, more like financial investigators. Her only role would be to sign on the dotted line where necessary. MOO.

 

[Melzack]

I didn't see it that way but it makes total sense now that you clarified. I misunderstood.

 

[Arnie M]

Boys are weird!

Think of it as jewelry for men ... haaaa .... look at the beautiful paint job , flawless .... unlike some of those expensive diamonds you weird girls always want ..... haaaa .

 

[brightii]

I didn't see it that way but it makes total sense now that you clarified. I misunderstood.

:welcome5: Melzack!

I get confused at least 50% or more of the time with so much evidence to ponder! lol

You are in friendly company here with us!

All MOO.

 

[Kamille]

Why did DM use Riverside as his address? It was on his driver's licence. And if MM and MS were living at Maplegate for 6 months and never at Riverside, why did MM use that address? I think that was from the phone information? And why was he renovating an apt there to live in? Looks like Maplegate was also being renovated, we noticed that in the pictures and now we heard JV testify to it today. It appears that it was likely going to be sold as soon as JV and his crew were finished. So instead of moving to the swanky Distillery district condo because he figured out after he had purchased it that he couldn't afford it and was trying to sell it, was DM going to be selling Maplegate and the hangar and moving to Riverside? (after building the drive shed at the farm). Were these the things that MB was helping him with to get him out of his financial mess and why she was the one to apply for the drive shed permit? I also noticed that she managed to rent out the hangar for a while and sent JV a T4 slip for 2013. Damage control? Was she trying to fix all the mess that DM had created to make things look better for the trial? Or for the bank and/or CRA?

I suppose this is why we saw the drive shed info way back when? We've heard that he was going to build his dream house on the farm property for him and his fiance. We've heard that he was going to convert the barn into a house. We've heard that he was going to build a large drive shed. We've now heard that he was going to build an "estate" subdivision. (do any locals know if zoning for that would ever have been possible?) We've heard a lot of things that were just lies told to different people depending on how he was trying to manipulate them. Except for maybe the drive shed. That was probably going to become a reality since MB was involved.

MOO

 

[MsSherlock]

It was the 10th that JV sent the text about the water running. Whatever was happening there was likely something that had done on the evening of the 9th or early morning of the 10th. Obviously this is something DM and CN were doing since they were hiding evidence at that time. What were they hiding or cleaning up at Riverside that night/morning? Did they have the truck and trailer at Riverside to do some cleaning before taking it MB's? Since CN's DNA was on a glove with TB's blood on it, the only time she would have had a chance to touch that truck or any other evidence would have been the evening of May 9th before it was left in MB's driveway.

MOO

Now that I think about the whole Riverside thing, I'm even firmer in my belief that DM was setting JV up to take the fall. IMHO, DM the brain dead mastermind may have had two things to do at Riverside- plant evidence and show an unusually high volume of water consumption- as if someone was really washing things up, like a truck. Funny that that's where JV lived. IMO they probably had already dropped the truck off at MB's by the time they paid a visit to Riverside.

 

[billandrew]

I'm just getting caught up so I'm sorry if this has already been discussed:

Perhaps getting JV to leave the hose on was part an attempt by DM to frame him? DM could have claimed JV stole TB's truck and was cleaning up whatever mess he created at the Riverside property. JV did live there, right?

At this point, I don't see how DM's defense could try to pin any blame on JV as it would require such a wildly elaborate story that no jury could possibly believe it. However, before DM got arrested, he was clearly scrambling to cover his tracks (moving the truck to Kleinburg, hiding the incinerator in the trees etc.), so perhaps he was devising a way to set someone else up to take the blame. Just a thought.

 

[Kamille]

How do you know DM suggested that they steal a truck and kill someone? I bet MS didn't even know about a plan to kill someone IMHO. Had DM brought JV on the test drive the same outcome would have occurred, just a different co-accused ... this begs to question, is it just that MS is being tried for 1st degree murder. MOO

I don't. But if MS was there only to help him steal a truck and DM just shot and killed the owner without MS realizing that was even a possibility, from all accounts MS was not in a vehicle with DM for most of the crime so why didn't he drive straight to the nearest police station to tell them what happened and absolve himself of participation in a murder and accessory after the fact? Same with DM. Neither did this because either that was the plan all along, or neither of them had a problem with it after it happened and just carried on cleaning it up. Considering their other charges, I'd say this was not a new experience for either of them.

MOO

 

[billandrew]

Now that I think about the whole Riverside thing, I'm even firmer in my belief that DM was setting JV up to take the fall. IMHO, DM the brain dead mastermind may have had two things to do at Riverside- plant evidence and show an unusually high volume of water consumption- as if someone was really washing things up, like a truck. Funny that that's where JV lived. IMO they probably had already dropped the truck off at MB's by the time they paid a visit to Riverside.

Wow, our thoughts are in sync!

Edit to add: this is the best explanation I can think of for the hose running, as it doesn't make sense to me that DM was actually trying to wash something away there.