Bosma Murder Trial 03.30.16 - Day 27

[andreww]

JV wasn't sent to Mexico, anyway, but New Mexico. I've driven across New Mexico and you know what's there? 555 km or red rock and rubble and some scrubby black cactus-like thinks that look very angry. It's not an inspiring drive.

Whatever, so long as it puts Millard in a bad light.

 

[Juballee]

I'm pretty sure that "expense paid trip to Mexico" wasn't a holiday. They went to get a vehicle for DM.

Then why did he bring his son? The child wasn't old enough to drive, so it's not like they would be taking turns to make the trip go faster. The trip took far longer than it would just to drive straight out there and back to pick up a vehicle, so obviously they either had some trouble (which I assume would have been mentioned) or it was meant to be leisurely for JV and his son.

Personally I would love it if my boss sent me on an all expenses paid trip anywhere, and if they let me bring a guest, also all expenses paid, that would be a really nice bonus, in my opinion.

 

[Ontario Mom]

His expenses were paid right? His salary was presumably paid as well. Sounds like a nice week away from working.

<modsnip> For a guy with basic labourer skills, no education, no money and a language issue, Millard actually set him up quite nicely didn't he?

He's been charged with and is on trial for shooting a man in cold blood. If there was ever any reason to hate a person, that's a pretty solid one right there. Not that I personally hate him, I just hate what was done to Tim Bosma and have every reason to believe DM is the one behind it.

What it sounds like to me is, DM took full advantage of JV. English not being his first language and likely less than zero knowledge of the way business is run OR how taxes are calculated, he set HIMSELF up quite nicely at JV's expense. Yes, he paid for JV's expenses on his trip to NM to pick up the dune buggy but he paid for those with what? Oh yeah, his FATHER's credit cards. Loaned him 9 grand? Sure he did, but where did that money come from? We don't know, but I'm betting it wasn't his own pocket. Paid his H&R tax bill? Sure, why not, likely whipped out another credit card for that one too.

So, ole generous Millard likely wasn't nearly as generous as some may believe, unless being generous with daddy's money or company money is what we call charity these days.

moo.

 

[DeepWoodsOff]

JV wasn't a basic labourer, he was a foreman. And he wasn't uneducated - he could read English (and Spanish too one would assume of course).

You can't call a work trip a vacation. I've been thrilled to go on all of my work trips, but that doesn't mean that I should pay for them.

Agreed. JV was clearly a highly skilled craftsman or DM wouldn't be using him to do all this work, especially the work in the home he planned to live.

Sadly these business relationships are happening everywhere. DM helped him with the H&R Block because he knew he was the reason it was a mess. If he didn't help him then it stands to reason that JV seeks help elsewhere and DM's "business" practices are uncovered. As far as a trip to New Mexico to run an errand...I'm not sure that qualifies as an all-expense paid trip. I'm pretty sure there was not a lot of scenic tours and trips to a waterpark involved.

This guy was treated like a mule and now the Defense is trying to throw him down the stairs....for what reason I can't quite figure out. Even if the outcome of this testimony was that DM had money, treated him well etc....does that mean he didn't steal a truck and kill a man? I'm struggling to follow this line of questioning which leads me to believe it is related to a part that is yet to come in the Crown's case. MOO

 

[Deleted member 102539]

So how is all this personal work JV was doing for DM a MillardAir payroll expense? Can you do that? Put a personal contractor on the payroll of your company? I guess he was put on there when the hangar was built and JV started doing the interior work? Had nothing whatsoever to do with DM trying to help him out, just with DM figuring out a way to keep paying him on the MillardAir dime to continue to do work on his properties.

MOO

The pitiable accountant!!

 

[Ironworker736]

Whatever, so long as it puts Millard in a bad light.

It's called tunnel vision

 

[ADAWG]

Driving to New Mexico doesn't sound like a fantastic all expenses paid vacation. Even though I have been to many conferences and work trips etc. I have been reimbursed for all of the expenses. The only things I never expensed if there was some tourist attraction/night life I wanted to experience on my own time. Otherwise all my food, gas, mileage, hotel, wages, flight, airport limo/parking and whatever else with the trip was paid for. I have brought my wife on trips as well and ordered in food to our rooms to meet my meal allowance each day.

 

[Inspector_North]

Okay which college did he go to? And where did I ever call it a vacation? I think most people would jump at the opportunity to take a week long all expense paid road trip don't you?

Look, just because Millard was a bad guy, doesn't mean he was a bad guy to everybody. There is nothing wrong with admitting that.

Agree! He knew exactly when to be strategically kind, nice, and charming. I believe the crown will prove that DM was a master social engineer.

 

[loveisthemovement]

In case you are new to WS, there is an "ignore/block" option. Just sayin'.

 

[paris_paris]

ADAWG, I always took my sister with me on my trips. My boss encouraged it rather than have me travel alone. The room was paid for anyway. I actually took my husband with me when the trip was to Vegas. We got married while we were there. lol

 

[DeepWoodsOff]

In case you are new to WS, there is an "ignore/block" option. Just sayin'.

Scrollin' and rollin'!!!

 

[SnooperDuper]

Then why did he bring his son? The child wasn't old enough to drive, so it's not like they would be taking turns to make the trip go faster. The trip took far longer than it would just to drive straight out there and back to pick up a vehicle, so obviously they either had some trouble (which I assume would have been mentioned) or it was meant to be leisurely for JV and his son.

Personally I would love it if my boss sent me on an all expenses paid trip anywhere, and if they let me bring a guest, also all expenses paid, that would be a really nice bonus, in my opinion.

It's about 3-1/2 x 12 hour days to get to New Mexico (I've done it). They would have spent a solid week driving 12 hour days if JV just shot there and back. Driving that much isn't safe for one person, at that pace.

 

[Kamille]

His expenses were paid right? His salary was presumably paid as well. Sounds like a nice week away from working.

And lets just step of the Millard hate wagon for a moment. For a guy with basic labourer skills, no education, no money and a language issue, Millard actually set him up quite nicely didn't he?

You call hauling a huge trailer behind a gas guzzling pick up truck that he has to stop to refuel every so many hours (that's likely seen better days as far as the comfort level in the cab) for 6000 kilometres to NEW Mexico with a 14yr old boy a vacation?? It was something DM needed to have done and therefore he should not only have paid all the expenses, but also should have been paying his salary. I wonder if JV was able to submit all those driving hours and get paid for it? I know that absolutely every person that I know would expect no less to do something like this for "the boss".

I also suggest you try to find yourself a good contractor willing to do all the work that JV was doing for DM for $22 an hour and also available to work 7 days a week. Forget about all the other nonsense of DM also charging him rent to basically renovate and manage the six plex (most building managers get free rent) and to rent the "company" truck. Again, most employers pay for that too.

Because of JV's possible lack of education and understanding of what is acceptable labour practices in THIS country, not Colombia, DM was able to take full advantage of him IMO.

MOO

ETA: And it appears that DM was trying to "set him up nicely" as far as this murder is concerned but fell short when all the damning video evidence appeared.

 

[Abitcountry]

His expenses were paid right? His salary was presumably paid as well. Sounds like a nice week away from working.

And lets just step of the Millard hate wagon for a moment. For a guy with basic labourer skills, no education, no money and a language issue, Millard actually set him up quite nicely didn't he?

"Millard actually set him up quite nicely"........... You are absolutely right .....but if you think the set up with DM was so damned nice, you should try it and see if it works better for you than Javier who apparently had some skills that DM did not.

 

[Velma]

Court back in session. Sachak asking about Millard's large black trailer.
by Adam Carter 11:39 AM

This is the fifth wheel trailer that Bosma's truck was found in.
by Adam Carter 11:40 AM

"That was the only closed top trailer he had that could carry a truck?" Sachak asks. Villata says yes.
by Adam Carter 11:41 AM

 

[SnooperDuper]

Colin Butler &#8207;@ColinButlerCBC 58s58 seconds ago
Javier Villada's testimony continues after the morning break. #TimBosma

Colin Butler &#8207;@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
Testimony now pivots to Millard's 24-foot car trailer. #TimBosma

Susan Clairmont &#8207;@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
We're back. Sachak trying to learn proper pronunciation of Villada's name. Can't quite get it, says he does it "the Gringo way." #bosma

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 49s49 seconds ago
And we're back. Sachak now asking Villada about a black trailer owned by Millard. #Bosma

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 50s50 seconds ago
And a red pickup truck the jury has heard was the only vehicle capable of pulling it. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner &#8207;@HefCHCHNews 42s42 seconds ago
Sachak establishes that pronouncing Villada with an "L" sound rather than "Y" is the "gringo" way

"Villada" vs. "Viyada" (LL = y)

Susan Clairmont &#8207;@susanclairmont 38s38 seconds ago
Now discussing Millard's 5th wheel trailer. Only vehicle he owned that could tow it was red Dodge pickup.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Susan Clairmont &#8207;@susanclairmont 27s27 seconds ago
Villada drove red Dodge to New Mexico. A gas guzzler. Millard gave him 2 credit cards for gas.

Colin Butler &#8207;@ColinButlerCBC 57s58 seconds ago
Millard gave Villada two credit cards for the New Mexico trip, which Villada used mainly for gas. Meals were paid by cash also from Millard

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 49s50 seconds ago
Asking about credit cards he was given to pay for gas on New Mexico trip. Received cash to pay for things like meals. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner &#8207;@HefCHCHNews 23s24 seconds ago
Sachak's questions suggest #Millard wanted to run water hoses for 10 hours to test for flooding before renos. He was arrested same day.

Susan Clairmont &#8207;@susanclairmont 41s41 seconds ago
Millard talked of getting a diesel truck.

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 25s25 seconds ago
Did Millard talk about getting a diesel truck? Sachak asks. Yes, Villada says. V saw a pic of a truck on a computer at Millard's home #Bosma

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 20s21 seconds ago
Computer was not covered, Sachak says. In fact you saw it because he'd asked you to go get something from there. V agrees. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner &#8207;@HefCHCHNews 14s14 seconds ago
Villada saw a pic of a diesel truck for sale on a computer in #Millard home. #Bosma

 

[SnooperDuper]

Susan Clairmont &#8207;@susanclairmont 22s22 seconds ago
Saw black diesel truck on screen of Millard's computer at his home in Maplegate. #Bosma

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes now
You were not his confidante or best friend, Sachak says. V agrees, no. You were a contractor employee when you saw photo of a truck. #Bosma

 

[Kamille]

And since Sachak has been nice enough to point out that JV was added to the MillardAir payroll in 2012, likely when WM was still alive and he and his brothers were doing work on the hangar, what is the explanation for why he was once again not on the payroll after WM's death? Remember, according to LW1, all employees, including JV, were "let go" at that time and only SS was left on the payroll. So if Sachak was trying to point out how DM was helping JV, it was another epic fail. Either after WM's death, or after the work was done on the hangar, JV was taken off the MillardAir payroll and the old routine started back up. Hope there is someone on the jury with some basic accounting knowledge at least to pick up on these things.

MOO