Bosma Murder Trial 03.31.16 - Day 28

[SnooperDuper]

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 9s9 seconds ago
Schlatman agrees with Sachak that #Millard may not have said his uncle would be a business partner in pet cremation, just a client #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 15s15 seconds ago
Sachak again reiterates that it was one of hundreds of conversations and he can't remember it word for word. Schlatman again agrees. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 3s3 seconds ago
Sachak now jumping to June 26 statement. Needs to make a clean copy so we're taking a quick break for him to do that. #Bosma

 

[Velma]

Mar 31 2016 2:47 PM
Sachak now looking at Schlatman's June 26 statement to police.

Mar 31 2016 2:47 PM
Taking a five minute break so a copy of that statement can be made for Schlatman to refer to.

 

[JPC]

If he wanted to make money so badly why not get the hangar set up to take on business? Why not rent out your properties at market value to paying tenants not friends and employees???


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[sab_bri]

Question! Why is the defense bringing up the statements to police and the Crown didn't? Am i missing something?

 

[SnooperDuper]

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
The uncle, Robert Burns, testified he never heard the pet cremation idea from #Millard; he found the suggestion shocking. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 2m2 minutes ago
He testified Millard told him he bought the incinerator to go into the pet cremation business #TimBosma

 

[Velma]

Mar 31 2016 2:51 PM
Jury now being recalled.

 

[DeepWoodsOff]

So even if his original intention was to go into the deceased pet incineration business....does that mean he didn't use this for the crime he is charged with? He could have had a very successful animal incineration business but that doesn't mean he didn't use it on a human body you were trying to dispose of. I once read a story about a butcher that used the same knife for years then turned the same knife on his wife. Just because it was a legitimate item used for butchering, doesn't mean it couldn't be used maliciously. MOO

 

[SnooperDuper]

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 29s30 seconds ago
He also said that Millard didn't mention that his veterinarian uncle would be a partner in the venture, just a prospective client #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 9s9 seconds ago
Turns out a copy was directly in front of him and so we are back. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont now
We had a pause there while a transcript of Schlatman's police statement was found.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 33s34 seconds ago
Schlatman says he was told by his boss that the incinerator could do the job cheaply and be mobile, able to visit more than one clinic

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 29s30 seconds ago
In this statement too Schlatman is asked about the eliminator and what it was for. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 20s20 seconds ago
"So Dell saw a market for making some money and had me find something," he says of buying The Eliminator.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 14s14 seconds ago
Again references uncle and high costs of creating animals. "He saw a market for making some money," he says of Millard. #Bosma

 

[swedie]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Re: excavator, Millard wanted to dig up foundations. Schlatman agrees that was the reason for the purchase. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
But he wasn't surprised it ended up in swamp "bc you knew Dellen and his habits," Sachak suggests. Schlatman agrees. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Schlatman told Millard bought excavator to dig up foundations at farm. Not surprised Millard got it stuck in swamp. Liked to off-road.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Millard loves off-roading, Sachak says. (I.e. Baja race). #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 26s26 seconds ago
His jeep had to be highly modified to drive in that race, Schlatman agrees. He did that work for him. Went along as mechanic. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 25s25 seconds ago
When it broke down, Schlatman was too far away to fix it so Millard was disqualified (couldn't meet the time). #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 28s28 seconds ago
Modified Jeep to race in the Baja. Schlesinger his mechanic for race. Millard disqualified after wrecking Jeep.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 14s15 seconds ago
So re: swamp, you didn't find that unusual at all. Schlatman agrees no. #Bosma

I have no idea the cost of digging and laying foundation in house construction, but wouldn't it have made more sense to hire a business to dig the foundations for the house(s)? A business that knows exactly what they are doing. We've heard in the past how DM was not mechanically inclined and had no smarts when it came to renovation. No doubt that is why he had JV around. The excavator IMO was just another toy and perhaps used to dig ground to hide evidence on the farmland property or considered it for such work. MOO.

However, a contractor who worked on the hangar said Mr. Millard wasn’t the type to tinker on engines himself. “I’ve never seen his hands dirty that way. I didn’t find him that mechanically inclined,” the contractor said.

In fact, once when Mr. Millard needed some space he took a cutting torch and removed some structural components from the building, the contractor said. “That’s something you don’t do and I told him we have to put it back. And if he was a little more mechanically inclined, he would know that.”

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...arged-with-killing-tim-bosma/article12009016/

 

[Velma]

Mar 31 2016 2:54 PM
In that statement, Schlatman calls the Eliminator an "animal cremator."

Mar 31 2016 2:55 PM
"Dell saw a market for making some money, and had me find something," Schlatman said in that statement.

Mar 31 2016 2:57 PM
"He said it was, like I said, for his uncle ... he was a veterinarian and wanted to get rid of the animals cheaper," Schlatman said in his statement.

Mar 31 2016 2:57 PM
"That's why he wanted it portable -- to put it in a truck and just go vet to vet to vet."

 

[puppyraiser]

Why call it the BBQ if it was never used for animal cremations?

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 35s35 seconds ago
He tells police he did some research on animal cremators. Decided on this one. Built the trailer (for mobility) #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
Schlatman described a mobile pet cremation service to the police.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Sachak reads Schlatman's explanation to police. "it was to make money, a money taking thing...And to help his uncle out." #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 58s59 seconds ago
NS: Dell did not say, Shane, my uncle Mr Burns and I are going to be in biz together. Jointly in the biz of cremating animals. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 34s35 seconds ago
Schlatman agrees DM never said he was in a business relationship with his uncle. Agrees uncle would've been a customer. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 22s22 seconds ago
Millard's veterinarian uncle would be a customer - not a business partner. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 14s14 seconds ago
NS: so to say he was going into biz with his uncle is "wrong...downright inaccurate...dead wrong." Schlatman agrees. #Bosma

 

[brightii]

I get your point about 'risky' hobbies not meaning someone is a bad person. But for things like sky-driving and drag racing, the risk is why people find them enjoyable. The adrenaline and whatnot. Just because you are 'educated' about skydiving doesn't mean it's not a risky hobby.

(And again, it doesn't mean skydivers and mountain-climbers and such are bad people. It DOES mean they take more risks, though.)

Thank you, ArianeEmory - that's what I meant.

I was thinking of the the former head of the OPP's criminal profiling unit, James Van Allen, who was quoted as saying "...that the killer is someone who is exploitive (sic), abusive, lacks any empathy and is a risk-taker."

BBM and UBM

I think the evidence of several witnesses now confirm DM to be a person as described above, IMO.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2...abusive-exploitive-and-a-risk-taker-profiler/

All MOO.

 

[Velma]

Mar 31 2016 2:59 PM"
Dell did not say 'Shane, my uncle, Mr. Burns and I are going to go into business together. And Shane, that business will be that we jointly will have a business cremating the animals,'" Sachak says. "His uncle would be a customer like other veterinarians."

Mar 31 2016 3:00 PM
Sachak says any suggestion that Millard said he was going to go into business with his uncle was "false, innacurate and downright wrong." Schlatman agrees.

Mar 31 2016 3:01 PM
Schlatman says they had discussed getting a diesel truck because it was more fuel efficient.

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 6s7 seconds ago
Now back to Baja trip. was expensive. Cost $11,000 in gas Schlatman says. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 37s37 seconds ago
They discussed during the trip and after the idea of getting a diesel truck. Much more efficient. #Bosma

 

[ArianeEmory]

So even if his original intention was to go into the deceased pet incineration business....does that mean he didn't use this for the crime he is charged with? He could have had a very successful animal incineration business but that doesn't mean he didn't use it on a human body you were trying to dispose of. I once read a story about a butcher that used the same knife for years then turned the same knife on his wife. Just because it was a legitimate item used for butchering, doesn't mean it couldn't be used maliciously. MOO

And it still doesn't explain away the fact that he never even bothered mentioning it to his uncle.

And of course the jury unfortunately cannot know about the timing re: LB's disappearance.

 

[Inspector_North]

"That's why he wanted it portable -- to put it in a truck and just go vet to vet to vet."

Ridiculous! Most vets want the remains sent away, and not set up outside the business. I know our vet is located in a strip mall.

For a 75 pound animal, wasn't it several hours to cremate in the Eliminator? How much to tow, and cremate using this business model?

 

[SnooperDuper]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 32s32 seconds ago
A diesel truck would be more fuel efficient than a regular truck. On Baja trip, hauled a big 5th wheel trailer with red truck.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 19s19 seconds ago
They towed the big grey trailer. Only truck he had that could tow was the red pickup. At Mexican border, they got held up. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 14s14 seconds ago
Because it was a closed trailer, they had to be in line with the commercial trucks. More paperwork. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 24s25 seconds ago
Problem crossing Mexican border with trailer. Has to cross with commercial trucks.

 

[ArianeEmory]

"That's why he wanted it portable -- to put it in a truck and just go vet to vet to vet."

Ridiculous! Most vets want the remains sent away, and not set up outside the business. I know our vet is located in a strip mall.

For a 75 pound animal, wasn't it several hours to cremate in the Eliminator? How much to tow, and cremate using this business model?

This is also the very last thing I'd want to see when I'm at the vet's office with a sick animal.