Bosma Murder Trial 04.05.16 - Day 30

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  • #541
It's a derogatory, racist term originating in the Southern states of the USA, describing individuals of a certain color and ethnicity dating back to before the prohibition of slavery.

It's since been used as slang to describe generally unsavory individuals (not necessarily of any color or ethnicity) in the hip-hop and gangsta-rap culture. Also, paradoxically, a term of endearment used between friends and associates in those cultures.

Don't be white, and use it in the presence of those ethnicities... or you tend to find out that dental work gets real expensive, real fast.

The "n" word is thrown around without much thought these days. Personally, not a fan of the word as I refer it back to it's derogatory roots.
With that being said...I go back a couple years, while visiting my girl at her college rez, the word "🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬, etc" was being used in the context of friend, buddy, etc. Pending the situation and the company one is in, the word seems to have lesser derogatory meaning than it did 20yrs ago.
In this case, IMO, I'm unsure if MS is using it in context of people he may be afraid of (known by DM and MS), or indeed LE.
 
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Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 16 Std.Vor 16 Stunden
"He snaps at you, right?" Daly agrees: "His mood changed very quickly." Smich looked at him hard. <------- :slap:

Adam Carter &#8207;@AdamCarterCBC 16 Std.Vor 16 Stunden
Daly says that Smich got angry when he asked him about Bosma. #TimBosma #Bosma

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 16 Std.Vor 16 Stunden
When Daly asks Smich what was going on, he agrees with Pillay that Smich "snapped" at him. #Bosma

ulbm

In HIS circle of friends MS seems to be the "boss" whom one has not to ask "silly" questions. The same with SS when it comes to AJ and his uncomfortable questions. Only when together with the BIG BOSS Dellen MS/SS are knuckling.

(said a former customer of MS at Oakville High School).http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/tag/mark-smich/page/4

They clearly have what is called a "pecking order". :hen::hen::hen: Or :slap:


Never have I seen a group of players that so perfectly illustrated that old expression --- Birds of a feather flock together.
(Rare birds....seldom seen....predatory.....very dangerous....slight variations in outward appearances.....varying degrees of psychopathy.......do not approach if spotted--call authorities immediately)
 
  • #544
I thought the guy with the gun always likes to let the unarmed guy walk in front of him, so he can't be jumped from behind.

My opinion only.

Always? I don't think there is an always in that situation.

Wouldn't you want someone behind you, if you feared being jumped from behind?

Makes no sense.
 
  • #545
I hope today we get additional clarity around the 'truck', and date from BD. I don't put as much emphasis as others do on the 'I f-----d up' from MS. This could be for many reasons, including DM taking out his anger at AJ for calling CS, and coming down hard on MS.

On the 9th, DM thought he was being 'setup' by a employee. He didn't know about all the other evidence LE had already accumulated that was leading to his hanger door.

If it was the 9th and the red truck, why did DM drop off MS and pick up CN? Something transpired between the two once they new the heat was closing in.

The 'Ambition' tattoo was not released to the public until the 10th.
[video=youtube;-QQvNrsjgBk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QQvNrsjgBk&index=3&list=PLHOnkG59HazeFzdlmC_YROvdYIsG3KAXN[/video]

MOO
 
  • #546
MS's choice of words to BD were interesting. Even though DM had lots of people around him, it seems like he compartmentalized them. Was really more like a master/slave relationship with many of them, so it wouldn't surprise me if DM's extended his imaginary powers to include having "connections" who would swiftly deal with insubordination. Who's going to mess with the guy with the incinerator? Not letting MS off the hook by any means, but I often give him the benefit of the doubt because I just can't imagine that there were 2 psychopaths at work here and I'm certain that DM is certifiably psycho. Why would MS think he f'd up and saying that "these guys don't f around. Was he thinking he did something that got DM caught? Was it being with DM to steal a truck and ending up with someone dead? Going along with DM and the incinerator? Was the whole gun thing like everything else DM did, where MS thought it was his, but it was really DM's and MS just got to believe it was his? I somehow don't think we're going to hear any of DM's friends saying DM was running around saying he f'd up. It's going to be interesting to see how this all unfolds. MOO

I think your mind is going the same way mine is.. trying to imagine what MS meant by that, and that it must relate to DM, and possibly a threat that DM had made to MS about what might happen to him because of 'MS's screwup'. If that is the case, then it would have to be in relation to the gun (the sellers being the ones that would be 'after him'?).

I recall the tweets about DM's glances at MS during talk of the bullet casing being found in the truck. I wonder if the two men KNEW that they (MS) had missed cleaning up one of the casings.. they probably were smart enough to look for all that were used that night.. perhaps they were short one, and MS couldn't find it at the time (because it had been stuck somewhere like in the seatbelt contraption or God only knows where?)? I'm wondering if they thought that without that casing, LE would never have known that TB was shot, wouldn't have had a method of murder? At the time that MS was saying this, neither of them would have known that TB's blood was going to be ID'd on the incinerator, nor that a bone was going to be retrieved and ID'd as from a human male adult under 40 years of age, and that perhaps LE had the wherewithall to determine that both MS's and DM's cellphones were in the same places as the burner phone who had contacted TB and others, or potentially that AJ had taken a photo of the truck's VIN while inside the hangar, or that LE could see via Luminol where blood on the truck had been attempted to have been cleaned off, or that DM's prints would be ID'd on the inside of the truck, or that spatter found within the truck would tell detectives that he died by shooting, even that the truck would be found at ALL, or any of the huge number of other pieces of evidence. From the impression I am getting from DM, it wouldn't surprise me if at the time, he was lashing out at MS for his incompetencies, not realizing that most everything that will get them convicted is from DM's own clues.

I also wonder if MS's self-stated FU was in the fact that he retrieved the toolbox from wherever DM had taken it... whereas if he had just left it alone, it may never have been found.. ? (If not for CN's statement?) Now that he went and retrieved it, he felt he was implicated? Can you imagine if Igor had NOT been able to ID MS from the photo lineup? What if MS would have never been identified as being a participant? Do we think that DM would have still remained silent?
 
  • #547
DM and MS were "special" friends because when they got together it was mostly just about them. They didn't seem to hang out together within a larger social group. For example, MS's "best friend" Brendan Daly never really hung out with DM. Likewise, MS wasn't hanging around guys like Michalski or Bochenek. This is why I compared DM/MS's relationship to DM's relationships with Whidden and Babcock. DM and MS had their own special thing going on, on the side. It was kind of discrete, and absolutely adventurous. Something had to form the basis of this relationship, and IMO it was crime.
 
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MS's choice of words to BD were interesting. Even though DM had lots of people around him, it seems like he compartmentalized them. Was really more like a master/slave relationship with many of them, so it wouldn't surprise me if DM's extended his imaginary powers to include having "connections" who would swiftly deal with insubordination. Who's going to mess with the guy with the incinerator? Not letting MS off the hook by any means, but I often give him the benefit of the doubt because I just can't imagine that there were 2 psychopaths at work here and I'm certain that DM is certifiably psycho. Why would MS think he f'd up and saying that "these guys don't f around. Was he thinking he did something that got DM caught? Was it being with DM to steal a truck and ending up with someone dead? Going along with DM and the incinerator? Was the whole gun thing like everything else DM did, where MS thought it was his, but it was really DM's and MS just got to believe it was his? I somehow don't think we're going to hear any of DM's friends saying DM was running around saying he f'd up. It's going to be interesting to see how this all unfolds. MOO

I like your theory. I too think it odd that MS would be so fearful of the police. After all, he has experience dealing with police, and I'm sure it has never turned out so badly for him that he would be terrified.
 
  • #550
I thought the guy with the gun always likes to let the unarmed guy walk in front of him, so he can't be jumped from behind.

My opinion only.
What I've noticed with the testimony of SS, AJ, LW1, LW2 and JV is that DM was the master and even though they didn't know it, they were his slaves. Now, after hearing the first part of BD's testimony, it appears that MS was in this same type of dysfunctional relationship with DM. DM got the gun that MS really wanted and MS got a different one. Why? probably because DM was buying both and was just telling MS that it was his. There is absolutely NO WAY that a Master would allow his slave to carry a gun. The Master either had a bigger more lethal one, or the slave didn't have one- take your pick. IMO, DM is becoming a boring textbook psycho, enabled by his parents and fuelled by the power of the money he had access to. I truly don't need to see or hear much more- if it was up to me, I'd say "yeh yeh yeh...I've had enough of the innocent until proven guilty part. He's not only guilty, nuts like this are an extreme danger to society." I'd send him to jail forever today. MS? I don't think he's in the same psycho league as DM. Is he really another psychopath or just a stoner slave to one? MOO
 
  • #551
Going off the timeline of May 7 to 10, these are some possible times that Daly saw MS get dropped off by DM:

May 7 around 8:30am - IMO it's not very likely that Daly would have been waiting to pick up pot from MS so early in the morning. DM would have been driving the Yukon.

May 7 after midnight / early May 8 - the timeline is blurry here, but the Meneses/Smich phone pinged at the farm May 7 at 11:30pm and DM's Yukon was seen towing the incinerator out of the hangar around the same. Daly could have seen them when they eventually got back to Oakville later that night. DM was likely driving the Yukon.

May 9 around 9-9:30pm - this is the most likely time that Daly saw them, IMO. DM would have been driving the red Dodge Ram with the 5th wheel trailer in tow - and Bosma's truck inside - although Daly made no mention of seeing a trailer. By this time, DM and MS had been alerted to something (say, AJ's call to Crimestoppers) which made them paranoid. This would explain why MS stormed into his residence without acknowledging Daly and Meneses was sent out with the pot saying "You have to get the hell out of here." It is also possible that DM and MS had an argument over something, such as how things had been handled or who would hang onto to the gun. I expect Meneses will shed some more light on this when she gets up on the stand.

7th at the 8am time. If someone relies on their pot, they'd get their butt up and moving at anytime to get it. This is also a time where DM,MS and MM are together. I'm thinking it could be this day because they (MM and MS) may have been acting hastily/rushing...."here's your pot, now get outta here!" and they (MM,DM,MS) leave.

The 8th from noon on, MS/MM phone are in Oakville all day. DM is everywhere except Oakville.

Another possible date/time would be the 9th at 12:33-1:07 pm. Your timeline shows DM and MS phone pings at Montrose Abbey and Speers road in Oakville.

Here's more to toss into the pail of confusion! Does anyone recall the following conversation between MM and MS?
(So if the 7th is the day) MS said "we did it, we stole the truck" and MM asked "where the man is?!" And MS says "gone..gone. .gone" I wonder when and where this conversation took place? Seems to me I remember, it took place at her appt when MS got back to Oakville. But on the 7th at 8am is when MS and DM picked her up and left her appt.
She obviously knew about TB missing, I don't recall hearing anything till the morning of the 7th (breaking news on tv) so I'm doubting he made a payphone call to her at 12:42 am on the 7th (when Yukon left till 1:10am)

Or am I confused again and remember someones theory?? Lol
 
  • #552
http://www.900chml.com/2016/04/04/67359/

"The Tim Bosma murder trial resumes Monday.

Legal arguments are scheduled for Thursday and Friday about specific evidence surrounding one of the female witnesses that is coming forward."

Has there been any mention of no court this Thursday? (Sorry if this has been mentioned already)
 
  • #553
I think DM and MS watched too many gangster movies, and were totally shocked at how poorly things turned out for them.
 
  • #554
So, MS is a drug dealer and it was his gun that killed TB and he knew he '****ed up' and started trying to go underground. To me this has been the most enlightening and interesting day of testimony so far, it's all starting to make sense now.

MS brought his gun with him on the test drive. If DM had also brought his gun, which we are now hearing was bigger, where would he have hid it when he walked up? He didn't have his man-purse on him at that time or SB and the tenant would have noticed (even in the city, a man wearing a purse is unusual enough to really stand out), and he was wearing a tee shirt, so a holster would have also totally have stood out as well. Even tucking a weapon into the waist of his jeans wouldn't have worked with just a tee shirt to hang over it, plus he wouldn't have been able to sit down in the truck like that. It makes sense that he isn't the one who brought a gun.

So it was MS who brought his gun in his hoodie. It would explain why he hid his face and hands as completely as he could from all the witnesses, and why he was wearing a giant sweatshirt on a night warm enough for a tee shirt. If he was also wearing gloves, it would explain why his fingerprints were never found, and show he had premeditated the murder. Having a gun when DM didn't have one on him would explain to me why DM felt the need to help MS clean up after himself, even why DM is walking in front of MS at the hanger.

In my opinion, if DM had planned the murder, he never would have brought his dog along, it's too much of a wild card and a liability. He could have left MS in the Yukon with Pedo, but I think maybe MS insisted on coming along, with his own plans in mind.

I have no idea how, but I think DM must have gotten MS's gun off of him somehow, perhaps convincing him that he would get rid of it for him. But I think DM locked up the gun and tried to keep it safe, not just from the hands of his murdering friend, but also to have as evidence to show whose fingerprints were on it, as a means to prove his innocence later. Why else would MS be so desperate to retrieve it and dispose of it? If he thought DM had already taken care of it for him, he wouldn't have needed to get it back, but if he thought DM was holding it because it incriminated MS, MS had good reason to want it back. MS knew he had "****ed up", perhaps that was one of the things he was worried about, he had messed up by giving the murder weapon to someone who could use it as leverage against him to get out of jail.

And for what it's worth, I see no remorse in the statement that he "****ed up, man". That is an expression of self pity and nothing more. DM sharing that he felt bad for what TB's family was going through seemed to be more likely to be remorse, that wasn't self pity, he was expressing sadness for others. Psychos don't usually have the capacity for sympathy and empathy, that's one of the things that makes them psychos. That could be why DM is smiling and waving and giving MS the cut-eye in court, maybe he's not a psycho but perhaps he has some belief that the truth will come out and that justice will be served, and that is a relief to him. He still will have done time for being an accessory after the fact, and that would be fair.


All my opinion only.
 
  • #555
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That could be why DM is smiling and waving and giving MS the cut-eye in court, maybe he's not a psycho but perhaps he has some belief that the truth will come out and that justice will be served, and that is a relief to him. He still will have done time for being an accessory after the fact, and that would be fair.

With all the evidence that DM wanted the truck for himself, you think it is fair that he only be charged with accessory after the fact?
 
  • #556
Always? I don't think there is an always in that situation.

Wouldn't you want someone behind you, if you feared being jumped from behind?

Makes no sense.

Perhaps always is too strong of a word, but I still see no advantage to the guy holding the gun on another person wanting that other person to walk behind them, where they could hit them over the head or run off. Typically (better word) the one with the gun follows the captive, to keep them in sight so that if they try anything funny, like running or attacking, the one with the gun can see it coming and stop it by shooting them. I hope that helps clear up my post.
 
  • #557
Perhaps always is too strong of a word, but I still see no advantage to the guy holding the gun on another person wanting that other person to walk behind them, where they could hit them over the head or run off. Typically (better word) the one with the gun follows the captive, to keep them in sight so that if they try anything funny, like running or attacking, the one with the gun can see it coming and stop it by shooting them. I hope that helps clear up my post.

So that's why DM wanted the DVR out of there, so that no one could see that he had been held captive?

;)
 
  • #558
My feelings on all the looks from DM to MS in court, is that MS F****ed the whole thing up somehow, and in turn maybe promised DM that if S*** hit the fan, he would take the fall. DM told MS if he didn't take the fall and DM was arrested, he would send out his henchman (these N****s) to dispose of MS the same way they had disposed of TB. ("these guys don't mess around")

Easy enough for MS to say he would take the fall, before he was staring down life in the pen...then things changed.
 
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