Bosma Murder Trial 04.06.16 - Day 31

[Ironworker736]

Dealer has to buy weed to sell it. That's why satchie suggested a "wholesale" quantity of weed might be the payoff. MS would sell that to make his money.

So are you concluding that DM is also a drug dealer?

 

[brightii]

I confess I'm truly confused so Dungey must be doing something right. That said, I think BD's police statement from 3 years ago is probably more accurate than his memory of events NOW. Despite the fact he admits he was hungover the first time and had smoked pot the second time he spoke to police. I know that sounds weird but the events were much fresher in his mind then, than now. HOWEVER, it's also entirely possible MS was lying his face off to BD when he said that stuff about not being there, being scared of DM, being afraid of being set up, etc.

But..... LE never did find any physical evidence of MS in Tim's truck, which I find bizarre since there's no way he was that smart to leave zero evidence.

IMO, at the time(s) BD spoke with LE his main concern was for himself. BD IMO wanted to distance himself as far as he could from being involved in the TB investigation. BD has admitted that he wasn't forthcoming initially with LE and then once he had advice from a lawyer he told them more. I think now today, almost 3 years later, BD may not want to admit to knowing certain things at the time that he did not divulge to LE, IMO.

BD may think that if it all comes out now, his withholding of information back then may put him in a bad light today, IMO. He is now in school and apparently clean and sober, and he's likely told his parents and friends his version of events, as well as LE, so he's going to stick to the story and resist any attempt to recall details that Dungey now puts forward if these versions don't match up. Yup!

All MOO.

 

[Londoneye]

What the heck was all that about AM and toolbox in the stairway business? How did that even fit into anything?

TD has been successful a few times at getting statements/theories out that hadn't been heard or even insinuated but have stuck around in heads.....like the question brought way earlier about someone standing outside the truck shooting TB with the exiting bullet shattering the window. I've never heard about that scenario after but it's stayed in my brain and with DM driving the truck those pieces have somewhat made me assume he was the shooter when really its just that....me assuming with no facts. All MOO

 

[SnooperDuper]

So are you concluding that DM is also a drug dealer?

No, personally I don't buy that.

 

[Juballee]

Because if MS also owned a gun, it would be highly likely that DM would have had to pay for it. Why would he just buy his "friend" a gun?

MOO

RSBM

I'm not sure why it would be highly likely that if MS had a gun, (which we have heard testimony he did, it was the .38 seen in the photos) that it would have been bought for him by DM? Just because DM did occasionally buy things for people doesn't mean that he always bought everything for them. MS had a 'job' dealing drugs, so he did have at least some of his own money, and perhaps even a reason for having a gun, being in that business.

 

[MorningStar22]

Maybe it's just the limitations of Twitter as a medium, but now I think Corey Hart did it. And he wasn't even on my radar before.

I haven't even been following WS since before trial started, but I think this is the funniest comment on here. I feel the same way!

 

[SnooperDuper]

RSBM

I'm not sure why it would be highly likely that if MS had a gun, (which we have heard testimony he did, it was the .38 seen in the photos) that it would have been bought for him by DM? Just because DM did occasionally buy things for people doesn't mean that he always bought everything for them. MS had a 'job' dealing drugs, so he did have at least some of his own money, and perhaps even a reason for having a gun, being in that business.

Why would someone dealing in pot have a gun? Pills, sure, lots of money, crazy addicted customers, gonna go to jail for a good while anyway if you're caught. But people with pot convictions get off really easy, and it doesn't make sense for MS to raise the stakes for himself so high and have a real gun just over pot.

 

[brightii]

Dealer has to buy weed to sell it. That's why satchie suggested a "wholesale" quantity of weed might be the payoff. MS would sell that to make his money.

And if MS was a petty neighbourhood pot dealer and DM was his supplier, (I'm thinking of how DM told SL that LB called him looking for drugs), then who is DM's supplier? Not to mention DM and/or MS had a supplier for guns. Lord only knows what dangerous types DM is connected to or involved with, IMO.

I wonder about MS even being on the TB test drive now. When I saw a pic of SS outside the courtroom in a hoodie, I first thought that he was MS! lol

All MOO.

 

[paris_paris]

But Daly already testified, (without being led this this) when questioned by the crown, that MS asked him to get the toolbox, and when he didn't answer his phone he had Arthur get it for him. How would DM have gotten the message the AM to take the tool box to MS from prison when he was freshly arrested? I think TD is just muddling the water and also trying to make AM look bad before he testifies, to taint the jury's opinion of another witness before they testify, likely with damning evidence against his client.

DM gave the toolbox to AM. Then DM got arrested. AM doesn't want that thing in his possession any more, so drops it in the stairwell for MS to deal with.

MOO

 

[Ironworker736]

IMO, at the time(s) BD spoke with LE his main concern was for himself. BD IMO wanted to distance himself as far as he could from being involved in the TB investigation. BD has admitted that he wasn't forthcoming initially with LE and then once he had advice from a lawyer he told them more. I think now today, almost 3 years later, BD may not want to admit to knowing certain things at the time that he did not divulge to LE, IMO.

BD may think that if it all comes out now, his withholding of information back then may put him in a bad light today, IMO. He is now in school and apparently clean and sober, and he's likely told his parents and friends his version of events, as well as LE, so he's going to stick to the story and resist any attempt to recall details that Dungey now puts forward if these versions don't match up. Yup!

All MOO.

I agree except that TD isn't asking him to recall. He's putting words in his mouth, using the drug/alcohol angle to do so. He's even asking him to contradict his "forth-coming" police statements. And purposely creating as much confusion as possible. Classic smoke and mirrors routine. If it were Pillay up there, I am positive that there would be more outrage about this cross. ALL MOO

 

[RandomName479]

Can someone explain to me where in the testimony it was stated that MS had a .380? BD testified there were 2 guns and DM got the one MS wanted that took zombie bullets, but nowhere do I recall anything about MS telling BD he had a .380.....can someone please link this testimony? It's being assumed by some that it was the "MS" gun that shot TB even though we have a pic of DM holding the blue steel gun (as ID'ed by his fingerprints)......for all we know there could be more than 2 guns.....MOO

Eta - besides the rap lyrics please....

 

[Londoneye]

I agree except that TD isn't asking him to recall. He's putting words in his mouth, using the drug/alcohol angle to do so. He's even asking him to contradict his "forth-coming" police statements. And purposely creating as much confusion as possible. Classic smoke and mirrors routine. If it were Pillay up there, I am positive that there would be more outrage about this cross. ALL MOO

Totally agree. TD has been able to be a bit more....tactful in the trail earlier on, really only giving it gas when his client was the focus on the upcoming testimony but if this was Pillay the pitchforks would be out!!

 

[Abitcountry]

DM gave the toolbox to AM. Then DM got arrested. AM doesn't want that thing in his possession any more, so drops it in the stairwell for MS to deal with.

MOO

If that is how it worked out, I think it is absolutely priceless...... not to mention totally ironic that the toolbox & gun that DM managed to get away from Smich gets returned to Smich at a time when he is worried sick that Millard could have framed him with it. And yes, I can see Michalski wanting to pass "the hot potatoe" right quick.

 

[paris_paris]

These are important! According to DT, it occurred on the 6th. Ignoring these I could speculate some wonderful scenarios.

At first the tweets said "the day after the 6th". Then they shortened it to just "the 6th". That's how it all looked to me. We all know it couldn't have been the 6th.

 

[paris_paris]

If that is how it worked out, I think it is absolutely priceless...... not to mention totally ironic that the toolbox & gun that DM managed to get away from Smich gets returned to Smich at a time when he is worried sick that Millard could have framed him with it. And yes, I can see Michalski wanting to pass "the hot potatoe" right quick.

Well I also considered that DM gave it to AM, and told AM to make sure Smich got it back. It was said there was also a pound of pot in the toolbox?

We'll find out when AM testifies.

 

[brightii]

I agree except that TD isn't asking him to recall. He's putting words in his mouth, using the drug/alcohol angle to do so. He's even asking him to contradict his "forth-coming" police statements. And purposely creating as much confusion as possible. Classic smoke and mirrors routine. If it were Pillay up there, I am positive that there would be more outrage about this cross. ALL MOO

I concede. You are right that there would likely be more outrage if it were Pillay, and IMO, that's because most WS members - not all - are more convinced by now of DM's guilt while some of us do retain some doubt as to MS's involvement and guilt. At least I do. I'm waiting for more evidence to make up my mind about MS.

All MOO.

 

[Satchie]

So are you concluding that DM is also a drug dealer?

I don't think so, but speculating that DM may have had more connections/influence in that world than MS did. MS was a petty neighbourhood dealer, probably made almost no profit because he'd have to pay the middleman for his small weekly stash. But one thing that might have appealed to him would be to get a bit higher on the ladder and start being a middleman himself, supplying drugs to other dealers. Totally my speculation to the question of why MS went along, when it was DM was going to get the truck, and MS wasn't into Baja racing, apparently.

 

[Gibson67]

Hmm, this is interesting about the toolbox was only supposed to have drugs in it, but instead had a gun and was dropped off by AM.

The toolbox was shown to be identical to one in a video DM took years ago at his house. I have felt weird since yesterday about the idea of MS just keeping "his gun" in a big yellow toolbox. Doesn't seem like a great hiding place. So DM having a friend drop it off to him under the idea of it having drugs in the toolbox actually does make some sense to me. It is the first time one of the "framing" theories has made sense to me. Not that I think MS wasn't part of the murder, just that DM was trying to frame him and put all the blame on him.

MOO.

Daly said early on in his testimony it was Smich's gun and Smich said it was in the toolbox...Smich's Lawyer is just messing with this guy..his testimony is all over the place
first he says he had no conversation with Mark about what happened...then he goes from that to Mark was scared of Ni..as finding him...then now he says he's afraid of Dellen...hmmmm I can't see how with this guy's circle of friends he find's DM sketchy? I mean come on he has friends that buy guns, sell drugs and he now says he thinks DM is sketchy...very strange.

 

[ArianeEmory]

Totally agree. TD has been able to be a bit more....tactful in the trail earlier on, really only giving it gas when his client was the focus on the upcoming testimony but if this was Pillay the pitchforks would be out!!

To be fair, a lot of us had (until now) admired TD's straightforwardness and ability to actually ask some coherent questions.

DM's defense's approach has been to 1) point out that DM didn't hide any of the murder evidence (oh, okay then, he must be innocent), 2) point out that DM is rich, 3) ask DM's friends if they're nervous over and over. If they actually did stuff that seemed to have a point, or was less inherently contradictory (often making their own client look worse, for example), we'd likely make fun of them less.

Also, welcome to WS.

 

[CJPRINCESS]

But MS was the drug dealer. It's more likely he would be paying others in weed than that he would need to be paid in weed, since as a dealer, he had to already have plenty of weed on hand.

Wow! Seriously? Where do you think a dealer gets their weed from? They are the little guys in the middle supplied from a bigger guy. You kidding me...a little middle guy like MS wouldn't take FREE weed??.....hell that's full profit to a guy like MS.