Bosma Murder Trial 04.06.16 - Day 31

[brightii]

Court now back in session. Just waiting on the jury.
by Adam Carter 11:43 AM

Jury now in the courtroom. Smich's lawyer Thomas Dungey about to cross-examine.
by Adam Carter 11:47 AM

This should be good.

All MOO.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 16s17 seconds ago Brampton, Ontario
Remember you can follow CBC's liveblog on #BosmaTrial here http://www.scribblelive.com/Event/The_Tim_Bosma_trial_April_6 … @AdamCarterCBC @CBCHamilton

 

[Inspector_North]

"[FONT=Open Sans, Arial, sans-serif]First, Goodman is again cautioning the jury about "bad character evidence" -- things like drug use, etc."[/FONT]

[FONT=Open Sans, Arial, sans-serif]I agree! I once witnessed a senior falling, and a teenager with his shorts showing was the first to help.[/FONT]

 

[SomeITGuy]

What are the odds Arthur peeked into the toolbox when it was in his possession? I also wonder if Arthur can verify it was a 'real' gun.

Doesn't look like it had a lock.

Most of the photos of the toolbox previously it had a padlock on it. I'm sure they wouldn't leave it open for anyone to reach into. IMO

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 36s37 seconds ago
We're back. Smich's lawyer Thomas Dungey is up to cross-examine Daly (who, again, was Smich's best friend he smoked weed with daily). #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 31s32 seconds ago
Jury is back, Justice Andrew Goodman is reminding them that character evidence does not necessarily make someone guilty. #TimBosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 44s44 seconds ago
Judge is telling jury character evidence can't be used to find an accused guilty of murder. #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 39s39 seconds ago Brampton, Ontario
Thomas Dungey, Smich's lawyer, starts with Daly's relationship with Smich #BosmaTrial

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 35s35 seconds ago
Dungey takes Daly through beginning of their friendship. #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 43s43 seconds ago Brampton, Ontario
Close friends, who trusted each other, and hung out daily #BosmaTrial

 

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Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 45s45 seconds ago
Thomas Dungey, Mark Smich's lawyer is now cross examining Brendan Daly. #BosmaTrial

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 33s33 seconds ago
Dungey: you said he was unemployed but you weren't aware Smich was working off and on for Dellen Millard. Daly was not aware. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 47s48 seconds ago
Thomas Dungey now doing cross on behalf of Smich. Dungey asking if he knew Smich was working for Millard? He did not. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 38s39 seconds ago
Dungey: and he helped Marlena Meneses get it together and get a job. Daly: yes. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 48s48 seconds ago
Daly agrees that he didn't know that Smich was working for Millard. #BosmaTrial

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 36s36 seconds ago
She had a drug problem, she'd had a bad boyfriend. Daly says he doesn't know. #Bosma

 

[Velma]

First, Goodman is again cautioning the jury about "bad character evidence" -- things like drug use, etc.
by Adam Carter 11:49 AM

Dungey now beginning his cross.
by Adam Carter 11:50 AM

Dungey starts off with when Daly and Smich met, and how they got together on a daily basis.
by Adam Carter 11:51 AM

"You were not aware Mark was working off and on for Dellen Millard?" Dungey says. "No I was not," Daly says.
by Adam Carter 11:51 AM

Dungey says Smich helped his girlfriend Marlena Meneses get her life together. "She had a drug problem, she had a bad boyfriend," Dungey says. Daly says he doesn't know about that.
by Adam Carter 11:53 AM

 

[SnooperDuper]

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 30s30 seconds ago Brampton, Ontario
Dungey says Smich helped his girlfriend out of a bad relationship. Daly says he wasn't aware #BosmaTrial

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 41s41 seconds ago
Dungey suggesting Marlena had a "bad drug problem." Daly said he drank and did weed daily. "A gram or two, a couple of beers."

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 40s40 seconds ago
Daly used marijuana and drank daily. Smoked a gram or 2 a day. Couple beers. He had a problem, he agrees with Dungey. #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 40s40 seconds ago Brampton, Ontario
Dungey asks Daly how much marijuana he'd smoke and how many beers a day he'd drink #BosmaTrial

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 24s24 seconds ago
Daly said he smoked about a gram of weed a day and have a couple beers when he hung out with Smich. #BosmaTrial

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 18s18 seconds ago
Cross exam w smichs lawyer. Asking Daly about drug and alcohol use. @AM900CHML #TimBosma

 

[redheart]

Regarding the "wolf" in Russian

Found this in the “Blood Aboard the Yacht” thread

Post 106
And they also told us AM was not a POI. Really, did he not text something along the line of "They found the farm, call the wolf"?

Post 107
I do believe this issue has been addressed a multitude of times... NO AM did not post such a tweet... the Text you are referring to was done by a well intended sleuth and has been dropped since being stated as such.

Post 117
I vaguely heard chatter about the WOLF quote over a week ago plus also saw a tweet by "second Timothy" that was in some type of acrylic ( russian?) language......but I have yet to see any confirmation of AM's tweet or text?

Thank you for digging up these old posts. <modsnip>

 

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Shannon Martin &#8207;@ShannonMartinTV 48s48 seconds ago Brampton, Ontario
Dungey: You didn't have a fear of him when you were drinking or smoking? Daly: No #BosmaTrial

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 51s52 seconds ago
Dungey: during this time you had no problems with him. Daly agrees. Dungey suggests Mark would make off-base jokes but he wasn't afraid.

Colin Butler &#8207;@ColinButlerCBC 50s51 seconds ago
Daly had no fear of his stoner buddy, he says #BosmaTrial

Susan Clairmont &#8207;@susanclairmont 44s45 seconds ago
He never had fear of Smich most of the time while drinking and smoking. Joked around with him.

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 30s31 seconds ago
Most of the time, Daly agrees. Dungey says if he was afraid he would've stayed away from him. He agrees. #Bosma

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 41s42 seconds ago
Marlena Meneses was around roughly half the time. They all got along, Daly agrees. #Bosma

 

[Velma]

Dungey now asking about off-colour jokes. "It was a joke, you weren't afraid of him because of that," Dungey says. "Most of the time," Daly says.
by Adam Carter 11:54 AM

Smich got around on a bike or skateboard, court hears, and didn't have much money.
by Adam Carter 11:54 AM

"You're not getting into any problems are you, either you or Mark?" Dungey asks. "Nope," Daly says.
by Adam Carter 11:55 AM

 

[SnooperDuper]

Lisa Hepfner &#8207;@HefCHCHNews 35s36 seconds ago
Daly testified he never knew #Smich to have a job; Dungey said he worked "on and off for Dellen #Millard. #Bosma

Shannon Martin &#8207;@ShannonMartinTV 26s27 seconds ago Brampton, Ontario
Dungey focusing on Smich's girlfriend Marlena Meneses #BosmaTrial



molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Smich didn't drive. He had very little money. He rode a bike. Or skateboarded. Daly did the same. #Bosma

Colin Butler &#8207;@ColinButlerCBC 55s56 seconds ago
Daly says Smich and his girlfriend Marlena Meneses had a good relationship, he was good to her, helped her #BosmaTrial

Shannon Martin &#8207;@ShannonMartinTV 1m1 minute ago Brampton, Ontario
Dungey: So two young guys, doing a little drinking, doing a little smoking, skateboarding. Daly: Yup #BosmaTrial

Colin Butler &#8207;@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
Smich had no car, no money and got around on a bike Daly says #TimBosma

 

[Abitcountry]

Having a hard time understanding that MS would want to sell the 'smoking gun'. Seems very bold. Ensuring it can't be located would be the priority of someone worried about its existence, and the trouble he would get into if found.

MS was damned if he did and damned if he didn't...
MS left the toolbox containing his gun in the care of DM ...and figured out sometime later that he (MS) had f...ed himself by leaving the gun with the guy who involved him in the whole mess to begin with and who now had the means to set him up take the fall for the whole thing !!!! No wonder he scrambled to retrieve the toolbox and gun sometime after DM was arrested.

MS now has the gun and doesn't have the money or smarts to be able to dispose of it.

Either way the only gun that anyone ever focuses on after the fact is the gun in the toolbox that we now know belonged to MS....handy I would say.
Have I missed something....it is likely that each man had his own gun.....one or both fired.....and no one is wondering where DM ditched the gun that he may have been carrying. I think it is entirely too convenient that DM wants a truck, schemes a scheme, involves his own personal Btch and then takes charge of the Btch's gun-----sounds like he kept it as insurance should the need arise. No surprise when later DM starts the running the story that someone may be setting him up.

MOO

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 48s49 seconds ago
"2 young guys smoking some dope doing some drinking, don't have money to spare," Dungey characterizes it. Daly agrees. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont &#8207;@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Marlena was with them a lot. Smich didn't have a car. Got around by bike or skateboard. No money. Dungey calls Daly, Smich "irresponsible."

Shannon Martin &#8207;@ShannonMartinTV 1m1 minute ago Brampton, Ontario
Dungey: Mark is kind of a carefree guy at this stage of his life? Daly: Correct Dungey: But then things change. Daly: Correct #BosmaTrial

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
They were carefree. Not a lot of responsibilities but they weren't getting into problems, Dungey suggests. Daly agrees. #Bosma

Shannon Martin &#8207;@ShannonMartinTV 44s44 seconds ago Brampton, Ontario
Things change shortly after May 6, 2013 (the day Tim Bosma disappeared) #BosmaTrial #TimBosma

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Around the time of May 6, 2013, Dungey suggests, things change. Daly agrees. #Bosma

 

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molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 52s53 seconds ago
Going back to that time again when he was waiting outside Smich's house for weed. Dell drops him off he runs straight inside. #Bosma

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 52s53 seconds ago
Going back to that time again when he was waiting outside Smich's house for weed. Dell drops him off he runs straight inside. #Bosma

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 49s50 seconds ago
"He was fearful," Dungey suggests. Yup, Daly says. He sees him the next day at his house. Starts talking about being afraid. #Bosma

Colin Butler &#8207;@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
Daly is recalling the time Smich jumped out of Millard's truck again. Smich is fearful, panicky Daly says #BosmaTrial

Susan Clairmont &#8207;@susanclairmont 43s43 seconds ago
The time Millard drops Smich off and Smich looks fearful. Runs into his house past Daly. Talks about being afraid of "n....s."

Shannon Martin &#8207;@ShannonMartinTV 43s43 seconds ago Brampton, Ontario
Dungey: He starts talking about being afraid at this point. Daly: Yes #BosmaTrial

 

[Velma]

Mark was a pretty carefree guy, Dungey says, up until May 6. Daly says that's correct.
by Adam Carter 11:56 AM

Dungey asking Daly about on May 6, when Smich brushed him off. "Dellen drops him off and Mark looks fearful ... as if something was told to him or said to him?" Dungey says. Daly says yes.
by Adam Carter 11:57 AM

"He's afraid that these n-----s are going to come kill him, right?" Dungey says. Daly says correct.
by Adam Carter 11:57 AM

"He seems, for lack of a better word, sketchy," Daly says about Millard.
by Adam Carter 11:58 AM

 

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molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 23s23 seconds ago
"That's when his paranoia sets in," Dungey says--from moment he left Dellen Millard's car. Daly agrees. #Bosma

Colin Butler &#8207;@ColinButlerCBC 59s60 seconds ago
Next day Smich is talking about someone coming to get him, he's paranoid after seeing Millard #Bosma

Shannon Martin &#8207;@ShannonMartinTV 43s44 seconds ago Brampton, Ontario
Dungey talks about the fear and paranoia setting in, after Dellen Millard dropped Smich off. Daly agrees. #BosmaTrial

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 35s36 seconds ago
Daly had met DM 4 or 5 times prior to May 6. Always briefly. Would see him at Mark's place. #Bosma

Colin Butler &#8207;@ColinButlerCBC 31s32 seconds ago
Daly says he met milled 3 or 4 times with Smich, never really talked to him #Bosma

Shannon Martin &#8207;@ShannonMartinTV 48s49 seconds ago Brampton, Ontario
Dungey: What was your impression of Dellen Millard? Daly: I didn't like him. For lack of a better word, he was sketchy. #BosmaTrial

 

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molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
"He seemed for lack of a better word, sketchy. He wore sunglasses when it was dark out. Just his behaviour, mannerisms," Daly says of DM.

Colin Butler &#8207;@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
Daly said he didn't like Millard, "he was sketchy" wore sunglasses at night he said #Bosma

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Smich on the other hand, Dungey suggests, was friendly and easy to get along with. Daly agrees. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont &#8207;@susanclairmont 40s41 seconds ago
Daly met Millard 4-5 times. All before May 6. "I didn't like him. He seemed,for lack of a better word, sketchy" Sunglasses at night.

Colin Butler &#8207;@ColinButlerCBC 40s41 seconds ago
Smich by contrast was easy to get along with, Daly said #Bosma

Alex Pierson &#8207;@AlexpiersonAMP 37s38 seconds ago
Daly met DM 4-5 times. He didn't like him. Said he was sketchy. Wore sunglasses at night. His mannerisms. @AM900CHML #TimBosma

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 35s36 seconds ago
Dungey asks Daly if he spoke to Marlena Meneses about her opinion about DM. He's not sure. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner &#8207;@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
Daly describes #Millard as "sketchy. Wore sunglasses in the dark, his behaviour & mannerisms." Didn't like him. #TimBosma

Susan Clairmont &#8207;@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Dungey telling Daly not to guess at answers.

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 52s52 seconds ago
Dungey says he's noticed numerous times "with all due respect" he seemed to be guessing at answers to Pillays Qs. Says don't do that. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont &#8207;@susanclairmont 12s12 seconds ago
Dungey says it's "honourable" for Daly to testify. He's not "being a rat."

Colin Butler &#8207;@ColinButlerCBC 9s9 seconds ago
Dungey tells Daly he's doing the honourable thing by coming to court, "that's not being a rat, that's being a citizen" #TimBosma

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 28s29 seconds ago
Dungey: "it's honourable what you're doing, to come to court and testify. That's not being a rat, a snitch, that's being a citizen." #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner &#8207;@HefCHCHNews 23s24 seconds ago
#Smich was previously described by at least one other witness as being "sketchy." Millard was described as more friendly & outgoing. #Bosma

Shannon Martin &#8207;@ShannonMartinTV 20s21 seconds ago Brampton, Ontario
Dungey: It becomes clear to you this has to do with Bosma, right? Daly: Yes, sometime after the fact. #BosmaTrial

Shannon Martin &#8207;@ShannonMartinTV 31s31 seconds ago Brampton, Ontario
Dungey: Does he tell you specifically who he is afraid of? Daly: No he does not. #BosmaTrial

Colin Butler &#8207;@ColinButlerCBC 22s22 seconds ago
Daly says Smich never said who specifically he was afraid of #TimBosma

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 15s15 seconds ago
Sometime after May 6, Dungey says it becomes clear (Smich's fear) had something to do with the #Bosma case. Daly agrees.