Bosma Murder Trial 04.07.16 - Day 32

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 43s44 seconds ago
"This was his drug toolbox," Sachak suggests. Yes, Hagerman says. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 48s49 seconds ago
Toolbox was always at Maplegate parties. "He'd keep it locked." Had drugs in it. Hagerman assumed it still had drugs in it.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 31s32 seconds ago
He agrees this was troubling-why was he trying to get rid of this at 4am. Combined with his troubled look and the phone calls. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 29s29 seconds ago
#Millard dropped off the toolbox early am May 10, 2013, unplanned. It weighed 4-5 lbs. Hagerman knew it to hold drugs at #Millard parties

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 22s22 seconds ago
"I thought he was holding more meetings at Maplegate for the airport," he says. #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 17s18 seconds ago Toronto, Ontario
Hagerman: I was concerned he was holding more meetings at Maplegate (Millard's home) for meetings instead of the Hangar #Bosma

 

[SnooperDuper]

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 14s14 seconds ago
"I considered he was holding more meetings at the Maple Gate house for the airport" Hagerman said and Millard wanted it out of there. #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 17s18 seconds ago Toronto, Ontario
Hagerman was troubled by the exchange, because it was 4 a.m. And Millard said 'it's best you not know.' #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 15s16 seconds ago
Hagerman is troubled by taking the toolbox. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 20s20 seconds ago
Sachak suggests that Hagerman said yesterday it weighed 4 or 5 lbs but in past he's always said it felt "light." #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 22s22 seconds ago
He says Hagerman has made a lot of statements to police but never used the number 4/5 lbs. Hagerman believes he's always said that. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 16s16 seconds ago
Sachak now asks about May 10 texts btwn he and DM. #Bosma

 

[meterclicks]

Hagerman says he was troubled by the way the toolbox was handed off to him.
by Adam Carter 12:16 PM

Sachak saying that Hagerman has never said the toolbox was 4 or 5 pounds until he testified. Hagerman says he always described it that way.
by Adam Carter 12:18 PM

Sachak now asking about texts between Hagerman and Millard from May 10, 2013.
by Adam Carter 12:18 PM

 

[JuneBug67]

For both test drives?

They arrived on foot for the IT test drive as well, something that Igor found unusual. "I was expecting a car."

 

[Massasauga Rattler]

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 41s41 seconds ago Toronto, Ontario
'It had weight to it. Four or five pounds,' Hagerman tells the court. #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 26s26 seconds ago Toronto, Ontario
Toolbox was locked. Nothing was moving around in it. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 43s43 seconds ago
The toolbox was locked. Nothing was "moving around in it." #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 36s36 seconds ago
Toolbox was light and locked. Nothing sliding around in it.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 40s40 seconds ago
He said the way it was contained it seemed like it was stuffed with clothing or something. #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 39s39 seconds ago Toronto, Ontario
Hagerman: The way everything was contained, it seemed it was stuffed with clothing. #Bosma

Something tells me that if Smich pulled the trigger that night with his own gun, that he would have made sure he went home with that same gun that night. Given the monetary value MS put on the gun, I just can't imagine him either intentionally or accidentally leaving it with DM that night. It would have been so central to his thoughts and experience that night, that the only way I can see him going home without a gun, would be if it was not his and did not pull the trigger.

Just a thought

 

[SnooperDuper]

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 28s28 seconds ago
Sachak points out Hagerman never told police the toolbox was five pounds, but Hagerman maintains he's always thought that. #TimBosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 35s35 seconds ago Toronto, Ontario
Sachak now taking Hagerman through some texts from May 10, 2013

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 32s32 seconds ago
Jury now revisiting text exchange setting up Millard Hagerman toolbox meeting. #TimBosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 34s35 seconds ago Toronto, Ontario
This is in the early morning hours, the day Dellen Millard would be arrested #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 13s14 seconds ago
Here is a screen cap of that exchange (from yesterday's tweets):



Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 52s52 seconds ago
May 10 texts between Millard/Hagerman. Hagerman about toolbox: "Haha full of guns?" Meant it as a joke. #Bosma

 

[SnooperDuper]

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 56s56 seconds ago Toronto, Ontario
Text exchange: Hagerman: Can you tell me what these toys are so I can prepare myself? Millard: A tool box. H: Haha full of guns? #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 1m1 minute ago Toronto, Ontario
The texts from Millard are coming from his girlfriend's mobile #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
Millard never suggested for a moment he was dropping off guns. Hagerman was trying to lighten the mood by asking "haha full of guns?" #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 56s56 seconds ago
Sachak asks about the 4:10am text, two hours later: "2."
Hagerman says he thought he was just answering with a very bland joke. #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 44s44 seconds ago Toronto, Ontario
After Hagerman writes: Haha full of guns? Millard responds ... Then hours later, a text: 2 #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 33s33 seconds ago
"I never once in my life would've thought Dellen to be serious with guns," he says. #Bosma

 

[meterclicks]

These are the texts with his girlfriend Christina Noudga's phone number. This is when Hagerman asked what he would be receiving. Millard responds, "a tool box." Hagerman responded "ha ha full of guns?" Hagerman says he was trying to be funny, and he wasn't expecting guns.
by Adam Carter 12:20 PM

Millard responded "..." and "2." "I never once in my life ever thought Dellen to be serious with guns," Hagerman says.
by Adam Carter 12:21 PM

The text was sent moments before he arrived. "It could have been two minutes," Hagerman says.
by Adam Carter 12:22 PM

 

[SnooperDuper]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
"I never once in my life would have ever have thought Dellen to be serious about guns."

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 59s59 seconds ago
Sachak What does he mean by "2?" "I though he was responding with a very bland joke." Hagerman answers.

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 56s56 seconds ago Toronto, Ontario
Hagerman: "I never once in my life ever thought Dellen to be serious with guns #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 38s38 seconds ago
Sachak suggests DM arrived just moments after sending that text.
"It could have been '2 minutes,'" Hagerman agrees. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 44s44 seconds ago
Hagerman joked over text about what was in toolbox. "Haha full of guns?" #Millard answered "..." Then hrs later, "2" #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 41s41 seconds ago
Hagerman says he never thought his childhood friend would be into guns. #Bosma

 

[Gibson67]

Apr 7 2016 12:24 PMSachak is trying to argue that the "2" message doesn't refer to two guns, but to an amount of time.

hahaha I swear these guys follow this thread

 

[meterclicks]

Sachak now talking about people texting a word before they finish a sentence, or autocorrecting.
by Adam Carter 12:23 PM

Sachak is trying to argue that the "2" message doesn't refer to two guns, but to an amount of time.
by Adam Carter 12:24 PM

Hagerman says Michalski told him the blue and grey bag was given to him by Millard.
by Adam Carter 12:25 PM

 

[SnooperDuper]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Sachak's talking about phones and weird autocorrect changes. Suggests that's happened to Hagerman.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 55s55 seconds ago
Hagerman thought he was joking. "I never once in my life would have thought Dellen to be serious about guns." #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 33s33 seconds ago
Hagerman says Millard was in the driveway not long after sending the text "2." #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 30s30 seconds ago
Sachak talking now about autocorrect & how you can accidentally press send before finishing a text. Hagerman agrees, has happened to him.

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 15s15 seconds ago Toronto, Ontario
Sachak says '2' could've been Millard saying he'd arrive shortly (because he did, after the '2' text) #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 10s10 seconds ago
Sachak: Michalski tells you the blue and grey bag was given to him?
Yes. By Dellen, Hagerman says. #Bosma

 

[meterclicks]

"He never knew what was in it, but it assumed it was weed because it smelled," Hagerman says.
by Adam Carter 12:25 PM

Hagerman says that the two items were dropped off at the bottom of a stairwell. "I didn't know who it ended up with and I didn't care to know," Hagerman says, but he assumed it would be Smich.
by Adam Carter 12:27 PM

Hagerman says he suggested that Michalski not text Smich at all.
by Adam Carter 12:27 PM

 

[SnooperDuper]

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
Shortly after the "2" message #Millard arrived in Hagerman drive with toolbox. About 4:10 am May 10 2013 #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
Going to the blue bag now that Michalski says Millard gave him. They assumed it was pot "it had a very strong odour." #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
He didn't know what was in it but assumed it was weed bc of strong odor, Hagerman recalls. #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 2m2 minutes ago Toronto, Ontario
The '2' text message came through at 4;10;40 AM. Millard arrived at Hagerman's parents house after 4 a.m #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Michalski had backpack from Millard. They assumed it had weed in it. Smelled like weed.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
Other friend Michalski was given a backpack that smelled strongly of marijuana. #Bosma

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
"I didn't know who it would end up with and I didn't care to know," Hagerman says when Sachak suggests the dropped off goods were for Smich.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
But you assumed, Sachak says. He agrees. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
The bag and the toolbox were dropped off at the stairwell "and it was for mr Smich" Sachak suggests. "I assumed. Hagerman says. #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 2m2 minutes ago Toronto, Ontario
Millard's lawyer now focusing on the drop of the toolbox and blue bag that smelled of weed #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Hagerman assumed they were taking toolbox/backpack to Smich.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Michalski is texting and he's texting Smich, you figure, Sachak says. Yes. #Bosma

 

[newone]

pretty cheeky giving two minutes notice to drop off tool box

 

[SnooperDuper]

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 2m2 minutes ago Toronto, Ontario
Hagerman says he assumed the friend he was with, Michalski, was texting with Mark Smich about the drop #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 1m1 minute ago Toronto, Ontario
Hagerman: My main goal was to get it away from me #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
"At that point my main goal was to get it away from me," Hagerman says.
"And get it closer to Mr Smich," Sachak suggests. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
"We just wanted to get it off our hands," Hagerman said. "For Smich," Sachak suggests. "Yes" Hagerman says, "just to get it away from me."

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 40s40 seconds ago
Sachak suggests that's why they went to Oakville. You knew Smich lived nearby. Hagerman agrees. #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 1m1 minute ago Toronto, Ontario
Sachak argues Smich was in Oakville. H says he assumed Smich would pick it up, but he did not care. #Bosma

 

[Abitcountry]

Sachak asks Hagerman if he remembers stealing planters, flowers and soil from a Garden Depot. Hagerman says he remembers a night from Halloween 2009 or 2010. "Dellen was driving, we were all drinking that night. We went to a Sheridan nursery and ended up with a bunch of plants in the car." Hagerman says. "The plants didn't fly into the car," Sachak says, to a laugh in the room.
by Adam Carter 12:07 PM

Hagerman says that he has stolen "when he was younger" without Millard involved.
by Adam Carter 12:08 PM

And for that matter so did Sachak....and over 90% of people on this site......what kid hasn't pinched something when they were younger. Sachak is such a he genius he could be the "brains of the Penguins" :hilarious::hilarious:

 

[CJPRINCESS]

Something tells me that if Smich pulled the trigger that night with his own gun, that he would have made sure he went home with that same gun that night. Given the monetary value MS put on the gun, I just can't imagine him either intentionally or accidentally leaving it with DM that night. It would have been so central to his thoughts and experience that night, that the only way I can see him going home without a gun, would be if it was not his and did not pull the trigger.

Just a thought

Not to mention, if MS pulled the trigger. Would DM be that awesome buddy to hold the smoking gun? Somehow I doubt it! I'd think he'd send it packing with MS from the go. MOO

 

[Gibson67]

I really can't believe that if the cops raided DM's home on the 11th..why they would not tail anyone that DM had anything to do with..if they had..they would have had the toolbox with the gun in their possession..all they had to do was watch AM..who lived in the same house..they should have warranted his phone ASAP or at least surveilled him. The murder weapon would have been found then instead of buried.