Bosma Murder Trial 04.07.16 - Day 32

[Georgeo]

Honest person would have no reason to hide out and hide toolbox. He also wouldn't tell MM not to tell police anything. Moo.

 

[Inspector_North]

Honest person would have no reason to hide out and hide toolbox. He also wouldn't tell MM not to tell police anything. Moo.

I wonder what she knows? We will find out shortly. :crossfingers:

 

[swedie]

I think A lot of us close to the case feel this way. I think he will have to fear for his life forever.

Just wondering why you think he will have to fear for his life forever? It's not like he was directly involved in TB's murder or that he had prior information about the truck theft did he? MH will be shamed in MSM for having bad association with DM, helping his pull off thefts in the past, then trying to get rid of evidence related to a murder case, but I honestly don't think he will have to fear for his life. Unless perhaps he's a gang member or involved in other nefarious activities. Respectfully, am I missing something? MOO.

 

[Bob69]

I'm starting to buy the theory that DM was aiming to pin the whole thing on MS when things started to heat up. I wonder if the shell casing found in the truck was planted by DM and the gun was being placed in MS hands... I seem to recall DM smiling and looking over at MS when this evidence was presented. Maybe he smiles and looks over for each piece of evidence he planted to try and frame MS.

 

[mskrisc]

I hope you're wrong. For the right reasons of course.

It does raise questions .......:twocents:

Of course, it's just MOO. Something doesn't sit right with me in that dept. Always wondered why a Mom would allow the alcoholic father to raise the one and only child? Odd

 

[brightii]

Honest person would have no reason to hide out and hide toolbox. He also wouldn't tell MM not to tell police anything. Moo.

IMO neither accused is an honest person, but I can believe that MS possibly was fearful of DM and knew he had the ability to either frame him, harm him, kill him or have him harmed or killed. It seems like many of DM's friends and workers were intimidated by DM and/or acted under DM's influence or direction, IMO, and had reason then to fear him, and some may still fear him, IMO. Can you imagine how they might feel on the chance that DM is not convicted and imprisoned for life? Slim chance of that, IMO, but DM could pose a real threat to many people if freed, not only "friends" who he would perceive as having betrayed him, but the public at large, IMO.

Of course it could be too that MS is as guilty as sin. I am waiting still for more witness testimony and evidence to be sure for myself. Not that my opinion matters because it is just that, an opinion, and has no weight with the jury.

All MOO.

 

[mskrisc]

I've lost track since I left work ...lol, is the court done for the day now ?

Has MH finished on the stand...or will he be coming back ??

He dismissed ! No cross from Crown.

 

[Ironworker736]

I'm starting to buy the theory that DM was aiming to pin the whole thing on MS when things started to heat up. I wonder if the shell casing found in the truck was planted by DM and the gun was being placed in MS hands... I seem to recall DM smiling and looking over at MS when this evidence was presented. Maybe he smiles and looks over for each piece of evidence he planted to try and frame MS.

But how does putting the damning evidence in MS's hands for him to easily dispose of effectively frame him?

 

[mozzagirl]

I'm starting to buy the theory that DM was aiming to pin the whole thing on MS when things started to heat up. I wonder if the shell casing found in the truck was planted by DM and the gun was being placed in MS hands... I seem to recall DM smiling and looking over at MS when this evidence was presented. Maybe he smiles and looks over for each piece of evidence he planted to try and frame MS.

VERY interesting angle. Hmm it would be intriguing to find all the references now of him looking at MS and see what was being said at that time.

 

[swedie]

You have a good memory Swedie ..... yes there were two different Bobcats , an older one hauled away from the farm plus another at the Maplegate yard with the caterpillar-type tracks instead of wheels.

Interesting some of the the "stolen goods" info comes from witnesses .... I wonder how much effort police are putting into it .... my pet question has always been the woodchipper , an identical one was stolen in Oakville ..... and why would DM want one .... and did he come to the conclusion the incinerator would be better.

At least we now know the early suggestions about chop-shops and stolen vehicles was not far off the mark. I hope they keep peeling the onion back so we hear the rest of the story.

Hahahaha some days Arnie I have a good memory. All those stolen good, a chop shop with a twist. Didn't someone mention Trailer Park Boys?!! Could we suspect DM had his eyes peeled while out scouting around, looking for an incinerator to steal instead of having to buy one?! From what I understand, they are pretty rare, looks like he had no luck finding one. That wood chipper, I can only imagine what his initial thoughts were about it. Did he change his mind knowing DNA could still be retrieved? MOO.

 

[iknowhim2]

Just wondering why you think he will have to fear for his life forever? It's not like he was directly involved in TB's murder or that he had prior information about the truck theft did he? MH will be shamed in MSM for having bad association with DM, helping his pull off thefts in the past, then trying to get rid of evidence related to a murder case, but I honestly don't think he will have to fear for his life. Unless perhaps he's a gang member or involved in other nefarious activities. Respectfully, am I missing something? MOO.

MOO but DM has a circle and appears a psychopath and MH now opened a giant can of worms about DM. No one thinks he can't put pressure to make sure someone's life is hell for testifying against him?

 

[Bob69]

But how does putting the damning evidence in MS's hands for him to easily dispose of effectively frame him?

Two thoughts:
Maybe not intended to be directly in MS hand, but rather planted and MH and AM didn't complete the mission exactly as planned.

The other thought is maybe the call to crime stoppers after dropping the toolbox and knapsac was an attempt to get LE to catch MS with the evidence inhand before he would even know what was in the toolbox (locked) and could dispose of it.

 

[Georgeo]

I think A lot of us close to the case feel this way. I think he will have to fear for his life forever.

I agree. Someone some day will retaliate. If DJ and ms get life, that us only 25 years max.

 

[Georgeo]

First allow me to express to you my sincere condolences for your loss of your friend, Tim. As a member of the public, I am merely an observer and while not directly affected by Tim's murder, I do believe the nature of the brutal crime and its randomness has impacted everyone who knows about what happened to Tim because it clearly could have happened to anyone.

I can only imagine the many emotions you and all Tim's friends and family feel and grapple with now, and will forever no doubt, and I feel endless compassion for you all. It is beyond my comprehension how you all cope daily and especially having to endure this painful trial experience on top of the immense grief that is ongoing. ((((HUGS))))

Thank you for taking the time to reply to my post. It's helpful to hear your perspective. My perspective is that MH, while a sympathetic character, was involved in preventing evidence from reaching LE that could have made a big difference in the outcome of this trial. I agree that MH seems genuinely sorry for his past actions, but I do also get the sense that he is holding back on some of the details. JPC mentioned upthread that MH could have been charged with obstruction, and I agree. He is very fortunate that he too is not currently locked up and I think he now realizes it.

My comments this afternoon were about TD and his cross of MH which, in context of him representing MS's best interests in the trial, seemed to me to be a reasonable attempt on TD's part to show holes in MH's testimony or call him out on lies he had told to LE.

I can only think of this analogy in the moment, but if a husband is unfaithful to his wife and when caught expresses remorse, is it truly remorse if his wife feels justifiably angry and doesn't let him off the hook and yet the husband then feels unfairly punished by her anger and lack of forgiveness? IMO, the husband should accept that he broke his wife's heart and robbed her of trust. If he is truly remorseful he would expect that her forgiveness would come on her time-table and not merely because he said he's sorry, IMO. It takes time to believe someone after they admit to letting you down, IMO and in the meantime the perpetrator has to endure the victim's uncomfortable wrath until the victim has the chance to fully express it. I guess it's called taking one's lumps. IMO, one has to believe that remorse is genuine when expressed until finally it can be fully accepted and trust rebuilt.

In context of MH, I think he should expect that he has disappointed himself, his family and LE (initially) and TB's loved ones in this important investigation, and if I am to completely accept that his remorse is authentic, I would find it easier if he showed that he expects to be given a hard time to prove it. He should know that good people might still doubt his words and intentions, and therefore they may be suspicious of his words now in light of his previous actions.

I've probably not explained it all well, but I do hope that helps you and others see where I'm coming from.

Throughout, and until the end of this trial, verdict and sentencing, I am with you, as are we all, hoping for only one thing, to hear the whole truth that will deliver justice for TB, his family, his friends and the wider community.

God bless. You have a special angel watching over you all. :angel:

All MOO

I cannot begin to imagine what all of you that knew Tim are feeling as you sit through this trial and hear the testimony of a these young people who cared so little and chose to cover up for their biddies DM and MS. My sincere condolences and hope that justice will happen soon.

 

[Boudica]

I still find it really odd that Millard didn't just dump the gun when the heat was on him, I don't get it ? I'm sure that this has been discussed by you all, but what are the theories on this ?

I don't get it either. And how did the tool box get to MS??

 

[Quaere_veritatem]

You have to wonder… DM didn’t all of a sudden one day decide, I’m going to steal a Bobcat. This would be a behavior that has built up over a much longer period oftime. It would have started out smalland escalated. People who do this kindof stuff for the “thrill” tend to have to engage in riskier and riskierbehavior just to get the same rush. Ifthat’s the case here, and it certainly is starting to look that way, I wonderhow many small incidents there have been over the years where either one orboth of his parents have been able to make a problem go away because they hadmoney and influence. I have heard aboutthe thrill kill theory for about 3 years now and in my mind I’ve alwaysdismissed it. I was never able toreconcile the profile we had been given of DM with that of someone who justkilled people because he thought it was fun. After this week’s testimonies I’m not so sure anymore. I formally apologize to those whose thrillkill theories I scoffed at (in my head) for three years. I just have a hard believing there are peoplewho walk among us that are capable of such uncomprehendingly evil acts. They place such a low value on a human lifethat they’ll snuff one out just for their own entertainment. IMO

 

[IBC]

molly hayes on Twitter: "Hagerman says he called CrimeStoppers. Told them the other suspect might've been Mark Smich. Told them about the farm. #Bosma"
[video=twitter;718137873149534208]https://twitter.com/mollyhayes/status/718137873149534208[/video]

I wish we knew what the date was when MH called Crime Stoppers. Was MS already on LE radar by then ? Do we know how LE became aware of his involvement?

I'm sorry if I linked anything wrong, it's my first post.

Thank you you to everyone who shares the tweets and blogs. I don't think I could read and post that fast.

 

[newone]

:welcome4::welcome4:

 

[Wollander77]

MOO but DM has a circle and appears a psychopath and MH now opened a giant can of worms about DM. No one thinks he can't put pressure to make sure someone's life is hell for testifying against him?

MOO, I'm not sure what else DM can do while in prison that he hasn't already done? He probably ratted out on his associates to his lawyers and fabricated a story to bring them down with him (though that plan hadn't worked the way he wanted to). If he does secure early release, or an acquittal, which I doubt, I'm not sure if DM'll still have access to his parents' funds or confiscated assets, or even if he'll have enough inheritance or social capital left over to make someone's life living hell (correct me if I'm wrong, though). It also seemed as though most of his "friends" had cut ties with him and could potentially be out of his circle of influence. Not questioning that DM may be psychopath or a narcissist, but at the same time, IMO, I don't want to caricaturize DM as a criminal overlord by overestimating his powers of manipulation beyond his physical, financial, and social ability. As a disclaimer, I'm not criticizing those who do think so, since their speculation might be more valid than mine at this point in time. But I'm still personally skeptical of the extent of power DM presently holds over his "circle," if there is still one by the end of this trial.

 

[brightii]

molly hayes on Twitter: "Hagerman says he called CrimeStoppers. Told them the other suspect might've been Mark Smich. Told them about the farm. #Bosma"
[video=twitter;718137873149534208]https://twitter.com/mollyhayes/status/718137873149534208[/video]

I wish we knew what the date was when MH called Crime Stoppers. Was MS already on LE radar by then ? Do we know how LE became aware of his involvement?

I'm sorry if I linked anything wrong, it's my first post.

Thank you you to everyone who shares the tweets and blogs. I don't think I could read and post that fast.

Welcome IBC! :welcome6: I wish we knew the date that MH allegedly called CrimeStoppers too. TD mentioned in court that CS doesn't keep records, IIRC.

All MOO.

ETA: I see newone and I are both on the welcome wagon tonight! lol