Bosma Murder Trial 04.12.16 - Day 33

[matou]

I am wondering if MS was "dope sick". A heroin addict who got money for his fix from DM. Could explain the dependency??

I was thinking that too. Would also explain why he was urgently needing all of the drugs in DM's house. Maybe that was his payment? JMO

 

[SnooperDuper]

I have no idea what the missing word is. I think in case of testimony the words should be allowed here.

How did DM know who was a nice guy and who was a ******* at that point?

It's a word that ends in "hole"

 

[Satchie]

AM may have been doing what MS asked of him....his testimony didn't state that DM had asked him to do anything. MOO

I agree.

One reason for the axiety to get rid of the drugs is that, if found when LE searched the house, the roommates could have been charged.

No explanation why DM kept that amount of drugs in the house, which both roommates appear to have known about.

 

[ellie b]

I can't see any hope of DM being acquitted and haven't for some time. For MS, I do think there is hope. It may be a faint hope, but I think he still has some to hang on to, IMO.

All MOO.

Who knows what will transpire in the forthcoming testimony, brightii......my mind changes all the time !! Personally, from what we have heard so far, I believe (MOO IMO) that they are both culpable and guilty as charged, but of course that opinion could change, but I doubt it.

 

[swedie]

MOO, don't know if i believe him that he didn't get paid.

I agree. To admit to being paid money from DM, for their help would be admitting they financially benefited from the proceeds of crime. I'm sure their lawyers advised them well. MOO.

What's with these guys all still living at home with their parents? Guess they could assume it might appease the court to know they are under their parents guidance and watchful eyes. Unemployed bums with criminal records and no one wants to hire them. Guess they don't have much choice other than to live at home with their parents. I guess there's always welfare. AM hasn't said whether he finished his apprenticeship as a plumber. Anyone know if he finished the trade, got his licence? Who would hire him (or the others for that matter) into their company, allowing him to drive a company vehicle knowing he has had DUI/careless driving charges against him, knowing he was involved in DM's kleptomania lifestyle and had helped DM commit theft over $5000. MOO.

 

[puppyraiser]

So far nothing in anyone's testimony gives me the impression that their words will put DM away for life. So what was DM referencing in the letter to CN about showing someone how to change their words? If AM wasn't answering the same way as his original statement on the 13th of May, 2013 and during other interviews, the Crown would be all over it. Makes me think he hasn't veered too far off script... yet. We haven't been told how many times he spoke with LE in the early days after May 13th. Surveillance on Smich started the 14th. Coincidence? Don't think so.

 

[Abitcountry]

Eyewitness testimony is renowned for being unreliable particularly in the detail, this MAY account for some of the differences in the accounts of MH and AM. Also MH seems to be an nervous/emotional character, so if he was in panic mode added to the fact that he told many lies it is possible that memory is hazy. The brain can deceive at times and memories can be wrong. This is pure speculation and food for thought. MOO MOO

Not the way my brain works.....I can recall in vivid detail the smallest of things connected with key memories.....I can recall conversations word for word of those same key memories....doesn't matter joyous sad, embarrassing , triumphant, fearful etc
but then I avoid lying to myself and others. When you are always changing the story in your head and veering from the truth then absolutely stress, tension or pressure make recall difficult....

I don't think that I am unique either......

 

[Typhoo1961]

That explains why DM gave Police the Roseville Road address as his residence ... it would give more time for his buddies to remove the drugs/gun stuff from the Maple Gate house.

Good catch!!

 

[Errrr]

Eyewitness testimony is renowned for being unreliable particularly in the detail, this MAY account for some of the differences in the accounts of MH and AM. Also MH seems to be an nervous/emotional character, so if he was in panic mode added to the fact that he told many lies it is possible that memory is hazy. The brain can deceive at times and memories can be wrong. This is pure speculation and food for thought. MOO MOO

Hmm, I think MH was desperate his dad not find out what a bad boy he was. Why does it matter if the meeting was at his parents place or a park nearby. The people who would care about that would be his parents IMO. Hence the snivelling.

 

[Typhoo1961]

AM decided on the drop off location. Wonder how he knew about the stairwell to the electrical room as a good spot?

MS probably told him about it as MS knew the area well.

 

[Claroon]

"should I steal it from the ******* or the nice guy"

My blood ran cold with that statement.

He's obviously detached from reality. Reminds me of Colonel Williams who was asked about the victim's breasts and he says, of the deceased victim, "I didn't hurt them (the breasts)." Oh, so he didn't hurt them, he just killed her instead. What moronic thinking. Detached from reality.

 

[ellie b]

Not the way my brain works.....I can recall in vivid detail the smallest of things connected with key memories.....I can recall conversations word for word of those same key memories....doesn't matter joyous sad, embarrassing , triumphant, fearful etc
but then I avoid lying to myself and others. When you are always changing the story in your head and veering from the truth then absolutely stress, tension or pressure make recall difficult....

I don't think that I am unique either......

That was my point Abit.

 

[MsSherlock]

MS may have asked for something to be delivered in the toolbox and received something else...thus concluding he was being set up...

Just speculating...

Many possibilities here. MS may have known the gun was in the tool box and had either his, DM's or both of their finger prints all over it. IMHO, it was extremely important for MS to have control of the gun (coincidently the one that he ended up burying?) I'm sure by the time it went to it's final resting place it was wiped clean of any prints/dna etc. The drugs- IMO, that's like a getting a bank draft. MS would have had no problem converting the knapsack into cash. Plus, IMHO, MS and DM both thought that DM would just be detained- after all, it was DM, he'd give a statement and be home for breakfast. The last thing DM needed was for LE to search Maple Gate and find a reason to keep him in jail. MOO

 

[Abitcountry]

I agree. To admit to being paid money from DM, for their help would be admitting they financially benefited from the proceeds of crime. I'm sure their lawyers advised them well. MOO.

What's with these guys all still living at home with their parents? Guess they could assume it might appease the court to know they are under their parents guidance and watchful eyes. Unemployed bums with criminal records and no one wants to hire them. Guess they don't have much choice other than to live at home with their parents. I guess there's always welfare. AM hasn't said whether he finished his apprenticeship as a plumber. Anyone know if he finished the trade, got his licence? Who would hire him (or the others for that matter) into their company, allowing him to drive a company vehicle knowing he has had DUI/careless driving charges against him, knowing he was involved in DM's kleptomania lifestyle and had helped DM commit theft over $5000. MOO.

Can you imagine having anyone of these guys showing up at your home for a service call ??? What journeyman would want them?? And if by chance they got their ticket in whatever trade, what employer isn't going to check their online footprint and they wouldn't even have to go to Facebook....just Google anyone of them. :freakedout:

 

[puppyraiser]

Many possibilities here. MS may have known the gun was in the tool box and had either his, DM's or both of their finger prints all over it. IMHO, it was extremely important for MS to have control of the gun (coincidently the one that he ended up burying?) I'm sure by the time it went to it's final resting place it was wiped clean of any prints/dna etc. The drugs- IMO, that's like a getting a bank draft. MS would have had no problem converting the knapsack into cash. Plus, IMHO, MS and DM both thought that DM would just be detained- after all, it was DM, he'd give a statement and be home for breakfast. The last thing DM needed was for LE to search Maple Gate and find a reason to keep him in jail. MOO

Then why was MS so 'supposedly' freaked out by the contents of the tool box to the point he didn't even want to stay in the same house or on same property? Unless, DM's gun was in there instead of Smich's and DM's gun was the one used in the crime???

 

[Errrr]

I agree. To admit to being paid money from DM, for their help would be admitting they financially benefited from the proceeds of crime. I'm sure their lawyers advised them well. MOO.

What's with these guys all still living at home with their parents? Guess they could assume it might appease the court to know they are under their parents guidance and watchful eyes. Unemployed bums with criminal records and no one wants to hire them. Guess they don't have much choice other than to live at home with their parents. I guess there's always welfare. AM hasn't said whether he finished his apprenticeship as a plumber. Anyone know if he finished the trade, got his licence? Who would hire him (or the others for that matter) into their company, allowing him to drive a company vehicle knowing he has had DUI/careless driving charges against him, knowing he was involved in DM's kleptomania lifestyle and had helped DM commit theft over $5000. MOO.

This is JMO but apprenticeships generally include periods of schooling. AMs employer may have thought this was a good time to let him go get that training so he doesn't get the business name involved. Plenty of trades have sketchy characters. There would probably be a shortage in the workforce if they didn't hire some.

 

[Claroon]

So far AM seems calm, cool and collected, but he has a longggggg way to go, I think. 3-4 parties a week, living the life! i think things went south and MM was wondering where the heck her BF was that morning.

I had a glance at AM's twitter feed. I'd think knowing his connection to this case he would have tidied up his feed. He was obviously not cut off from posting on FB either as some have been.

 

[Typhoo1961]

I am wondering if MS was "dope sick". A heroin addict who got money for his fix from DM. Could explain the dependency??

Which would explain why he wanted all the drugs from DM's house after DM was arrested.

 

[Kamille]

So let's see. DM has a toolbox that everyone knows is full of drugs.

He gives the "magic toolbox" to MH in the very early morning of May 10th. Contents apparently unknown. Toolbox locked.

DM is arrested early evening of May 10th. On Cawthra Rd, on his way home from Oakville. Neither of his roommates are aware of this but somehow MS finds out? No police presence at his home that evening? So AM finds out from MS that DM has been arrested. Did DM call him from jail? How did MS find out within hours of DM's arrest?

So MS knows what DM's been arrested for because he is also involved. His first response to this news is to ask for drugs and weapons to be removed from DM's home and delivered to him? And he knows that MH has the toolbox and that the toolbox no longer contains drugs? Seems odd.

So AM, who also knows about the magic toolbox, somehow finds wherever DM stashed all the drugs that were removed from the toolbox before it went to MH and puts them in a backpack found in the house? Wonder where he found them? Why isn't anyone asking him? And he decides to put this backpack full of drugs in the trunk of his car and then hide his car from LE should they happen to show up.

So then AM contacts MH and says they have to deliver the "item" he has, that MS told him about, along with the backpack of drugs from the house, to a drop off point in Oakville for a friend of MS to pick up. Both of them, not AM alone...the person who has been in contact with MS. In fact, AM does not even use his car and instead convinces MH to drive his parents car.

MH says that AM is directing the drop off location, although AM claims that he went to the wrong place?

TD seems to be implying that MS was expecting a toolbox full of drugs to be dropped off. He is claiming there was a pound of weed and a gun in it? What about the backpack? The toolbox was found in MS's bedroom. Where is the backpack?

MOO

 

[redheart]

And he couldn't put 2 and 2 together.....buddy Dell steals a truck, is arrested AND you see a missing person ad about TB and his truck????? Come one AM, I really thought you were going to be a REAL true caring person and tell it all. Give me a break, this is BS.

BRING ON DUNGEY!!!!!

Yep. DM had AM helping him look for diesel Dodge Rams. When you're actively helping your buddy look for a diesel Dodge Ram to steal, you're going to notice them everywhere. The Tim Bosma missing posters and messages and whatnot all prominently showed his truck. There's no way that AM didn't think there might be a connection.

He's lying, just like MH and SS before him.

It looks like many posters want to believe AM is honest, just like with MH. Unfortunately, I don't think that's the case - he's lying. All we can hope for is that the crown draws out of him the information they are looking for (and TD too!) and the jury can pick it out from between the lies.

IMO