Bosma Murder Trial 04.14.16 - Day 35

[SnooperDuper]

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
Later that day (May 7 2013) Michalski sees #Millard, who looks normal. #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Dungey: No worries in the world...nothing went wrong in the stealing...no indication of that?
Michalski agrees. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 56s56 seconds ago
When he does see Millard again he looked normal. Tells Michalski he got the truck. This is 5 p.m. or so on May 7. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 51s51 seconds ago
Michalski says the morning after #TimBosma vanished Millard looked as he always did, confident, not disheveled, not a worry in the world

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 43s43 seconds ago
Dungey: and then he tells you he got the truck.
Michalski: they got the truck, sir.
Dungey refers back to his statement. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
#Millard tells you he got the truck? - Dungey. "THEY got the truck, sir." Michalski. Now checking the police statement to be sure. #Bosma

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 49s49 seconds ago
Michalski told officers he got the truck. But he is saying now that he meant they. But agrees he said he. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 16s16 seconds ago
Dungey suggests he was walking around like it was a normal day. "Same persona as he always had." Michalski agrees. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 49s50 seconds ago
Millard wasn't bragging about it. Michalski had asked about it. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 47s48 seconds ago
"He wasn't bragging about it" Michalski says when he asked if Millard got the truck #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 57s58 seconds ago
Dungey asks what else he said. Michalski says he was just on his way out the door at the time. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 54s55 seconds ago
Dungey: He told you HE got the truck. That's what you told the officer. Michalski: Yup. Was he bragging about it? Dungey asks. No.

 

[Velma]

Dungey now going to another series of texts on April 5, 2013.
by Adam Carter 11:22 AM

This is also between Michalski and MIllard.
by Adam Carter 11:23 AM

These are the texts where Millard says he needs $100K a month to get out of the hole. Michalski says "challenge accepted."
by Adam Carter 11:23 AM

 

[SnooperDuper]

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 1m1 minute ago
AM says may 7th- DM told him "they" got the truck. Millard was normal. @AM900CHML #timbosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 48s48 seconds ago
Dungey now referencing the April 5, 2013 text convo (when Millard says "about 100,000 a month and I'll be out of the hole.") #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 16s16 seconds ago
Michalski responded to him "challenge accepted." He says he was joking, like 'I'm right there with you.' #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 16s16 seconds ago
Court now looking at messages from April 2013 -- #Millard needed 100k/mo to get out of the hole. Michalski says "Challenge accepted."

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 19s20 seconds ago
Michalski says he was trying to be funny with that comment.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 11s12 seconds ago
April 5, 2013 texts shown. Millard says he needs to make $100,000 a month "and I'll be out of the hole." Michalski: "Challenge accepted."

 

[Velma]

Millard responds "I'm not sure you're up for my methods." Michalski says he assumed he was talking about illegal activity.
by Adam Carter 11:24 AM

Millard responds "hard work is one thing, scary work is another, and the law is very intimidating."
by Adam Carter 11:25 AM

"it could have been anything from a drug deal to stealing another Bobcat," Michalski says in court.
by Adam Carter 11:25 AM

 

[Inspector_North]

"I'm not sure you're up for my methods."

What methods? AM is already into thieving. MOO

 

[redheart]

Millard responds "I'm not sure you're up for my methods." Michalski says he assumed he was talking about illegal activity.
by Adam Carter 11:24 AM

Millard responds "hard work is one thing, scary work is another, and the law is very intimidating."
by Adam Carter 11:25 AM

"it could have been anything from a drug deal to stealing another Bobcat," Michalski says in court.
by Adam Carter 11:25 AM

Holy moly.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 9s10 seconds ago
Dungey turning now to the text where Millard says he needs "about 100,000 a month and I'll be out of the hole"

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 9s10 seconds ago
#Millard texts: "I'm not sure you're up for my methods." Dungey asks what that means. "Illegal activity," Michalski explains

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 10s10 seconds ago
Millard: "I'm not sure if you're up for my methods/hard work is one thing, scary work is another, and the law is very intimidating."

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 13s14 seconds ago
Michalski says "let's do it." #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 43s43 seconds ago
Millard also said "not sure if you're up to my methods" and mentioned "scary work" and "the kw is very intimidating." #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 38s38 seconds ago
Millard: "I'm not sure if you're up for my methods...hard work is one thing, scary work is another and the law is very intimidating." #Bosma

 

[mozzagirl]

With all the talk of AM's police statement missing details like DM's demeanour in conversations and other details, I just have a few thoughts to add. If they had spoken and done theft together before it isn't like the talk of stealing a truck was 100% out of the blue. So it may not have stood out in his mind as an exceptional conversation as much as some people hope it would.

I know my own memory can be incredible when it comes to details but if someone came to me right now and said a conversation I had 6 days ago needed to be documented, I wouldn't necessarily remember every single word and the other person's tone of voice and their body language. IMO, some people seem to be expecting perfection and not a single detail missed in any way in a witness' memory. That just isn't realistic unless someone has a photographic memory which is not common at all. We can hope someone can remember tons of details but if they miss something here and there, that is just someone being a human. It doesn't mean they are lying or omitting details on purpose. I would rather he say he doesn't remember than make up an answer.

Like someone said in yesterday's thread, AM had this conversation with DM about stealing the truck, in their kitchen. It is a very incriminating conversation that had absolutely no paper trail or data attached to it. If he didn't tell LE about it, they would have been none the wiser. So the fact that he brought it up to them means he found it important and he probably told them every detail he remembered.

All MOO.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 37s37 seconds ago
Millard says "Hey there will be work, and I know I can trust you, both in confidence and capability, I'll feed you the opportunities..."

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Millard could offer him "anything from a drug deal to stealing another Bobcat," Michalski tells court. In texts, Michalski replies: "Sweet."

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 49s50 seconds ago
Michalski says he assumed by that that Millard had meant drugs or stealing another Bobcat.
Criminal activity, Dungey suggests. Yes. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 42s43 seconds ago
Michalski assumes #Millard is talking about "anything from a drug deal to stealing another Bobcat." His text reply is "Sweet " #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 36s37 seconds ago
Dungey: that's how he's going to get out of the hole. Michalski agrees. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 57s57 seconds ago
016-04-14, 11:25
Millard also said "not sure if you're up to my methods" and mentioned "scary work" and "the law is very intimidating"

 

[redheart]

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 9s10 seconds ago
Dungey turning now to the text where Millard says he needs "about 100,000 a month and I'll be out of the hole"

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 9s10 seconds ago
#Millard texts: "I'm not sure you're up for my methods." Dungey asks what that means. "Illegal activity," Michalski explains

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 10s10 seconds ago
Millard: "I'm not sure if you're up for my methods/hard work is one thing, scary work is another, and the law is very intimidating."

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 13s14 seconds ago
Michalski says "let's do it." #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 43s43 seconds ago
Millard also said "not sure if you're up to my methods" and mentioned "scary work" and "the kw is very intimidating." #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 38s38 seconds ago
Millard: "I'm not sure if you're up for my methods...hard work is one thing, scary work is another and the law is very intimidating." #Bosma

Wow. Add another point to the list showing premeditation.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 43s43 seconds ago
Millard: Hey, there will be work and I know I can trust you, both in confidence and capability...

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 38s38 seconds ago
Dungey suggests Michalski (who responds "sweet") didn't have a criminal mind. Not his nature. Just swept up. Michalski agrees. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
...I'll feed you the opportunities, you choose which to take.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
"You don't have a criminal mind, do you?" Michalski agrees. "You'd never been in problems before, you haven't been in trouble since."

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Dungey asks if he's done any thieving since "break off" with Millard. Michalski has not. Dungey suggests he's cleaned up. Yes. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 56s56 seconds ago
Michalski agrees he doesn't have a criminal mind and never stole anything after he was outside of Millard's influence #Bosma

 

[Velma]

"In all fairness to you, you don't have a criminal mind ... you're caught up in this persona with him." Dungey says. "Yes sir," Michalski says.
by Adam Carter 11:26 AM

Michalski says he hasn't stolen since he stopped seeing Millard. "You realized you had gone down a crooked path," Dungey says. "Correct," Michalski says.
by Adam Carter 11:27 AM

Michalski was arrested for first degree murder on May 13, which Michalski says was "intimidating." "I knew I didn't commit the crime," Michalski says.
by Adam Carter 11:28 AM

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Dungey; it was undue influence on you.
Michalski; correct. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Michalski has never stolen since ending friendship with Millard. Says Millard was a bad influence on him. #Bosma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 1m1 minute ago
AM asked about text chat w DM about making $. Millard talks about his need to make 100 g a month. Is michalski in? @AM900CHML #timbosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 57s57 seconds ago
"You realized you went down a crooked path and that's not your nature. It's an undue influence on you, correct?" Michalski agrees. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 40s40 seconds ago
Dungey asks him about his May 13, 2013 police statement -- when Michalski was arrested for first degree murder. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
May 13, 2013 Michalski arrested for first degree murder. "I knew I didn't commit the crime," he says. #Bosma

 

[Velma]

He wasn't charged. Michalski gave a 90 page statement. Dungey says in the first 60 pages, Michalski "virtually resists the officers." Michalski says he was scared.
by Adam Carter 11:29 AM

"Really what you're doing is lying to the officers," Dungey says. Michalski says he was "stalling to get comfortable with the situation."
by Adam Carter 11:30 AM

"By that you meant you wanted to see how much evidence they had before you started telling them the truth?" Dungey says.
by Adam Carter 11:30 AM

"You've been put into this position by Mr. Millard, correct?" Dungey says. "Correct," Michalski answers.
by Adam Carter 11:31 AM

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 50s51 seconds ago
"It's intimidating," Michalski says.
"It's first degree murder!" Dungey responds. Michalski says he knew he didn't do it. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 47s48 seconds ago
Michalski says "it was intimidating" when he was arrested for first degree murder #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
Dungey asks how it felt to be arrested for first degree murder. "It was intimidating," Michalski says. "But I knew I didn't do anything."

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 57s58 seconds ago
They interview him for quite a while. It was voluntary. Transcript of it is 90 pages long. #Bosma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 1m1 minute ago
DM-"hard work is one thg. Scary work is another. The law is very intimidating. There w be work. I know I can trust u. 1/2 @AM900CHML

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Dungey says first 60 pages of it, he is "resisting" the officers. Michalski agrees, he was scared. #Bosma

 

[Nosey Parker]

With all the talk of AM's police statement missing details like DM's demeanour in conversations and other details, I just have a few thoughts to add. If they had spoken and done theft together before it isn't like the talk of stealing a truck was 100% out of the blue. So it may not have stood out in his mind as an exceptional conversation as much as some people hope it would.

I know my own memory can be incredible when it comes to details but if someone came to me right now and said a conversation I had 6 days ago needed to be documented, I wouldn't necessarily remember every single word and the other person's tone of voice and their body language. IMO, some people seem to be expecting perfection and not a single detail missed in any way in a witness' memory. That just isn't realistic unless someone has a photographic memory which is not common at all. We can hope someone can remember tons of details but if they miss something here and there, that is just someone being a human. It doesn't mean they are lying or omitting details on purpose. I would rather he say he doesn't remember than make up an answer.

Like someone said in yesterday's thread, AM had this conversation with DM about stealing the truck, in their kitchen. It is a very incriminating conversation that had absolutely no paper trail or data attached to it. If he didn't tell LE about it, they would have been none the wiser. So the fact that he brought it up to them means he found it important and he probably told them every detail he remembered.

All MOO.

Yup - witness testimony is considered the most unreliable of all evidence. Two people seeing/hearing the same thing often come up with very different recollections.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Michalski had legal counsel and consented to police interview. 90-page transcript. First 60 pages he "resists officers," says Dungey.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
He have a 90 page statement to police, the first 60 of which Dungey suggests, Michalski is resisting officers #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
"I was scared," says Michalski.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 2m2 minutes ago
"I was scared" Michalski says #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Dungey: you're scared, you're intimidated. You resist when they're asking you about this investigation--for about 60 pages. Yes. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
Michalski didn't tell the truth upon arrest."You were resisting the officers. For about 60 pages? You're lying to the officers."

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Dungey suggests he was lying. He disagrees. Says he was "stalling to get comfortable with the situation." #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
Michalski denies lying to officers. "I was basically stalling to get comfortable with the situation." #bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Dungey: by that do you mean you wanted to see how much evidence they had before you start talking and tell the truth? #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
Michalski says he wasn't lying, he was "getting comfortable with the situation... I was scared for myself." #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Michalski says he was scared for himself. Dungey says he can appreciate that--but he wasn't telling them the truth. Michalski agrees. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 2m2 minutes ago
"You were lying" Dungey says. "No, I was stalking until I could be comfortable with the situation," Michalski says #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 2m2 minutes ago
@ColinButlerCBC should say stalling not stalking

 

[SnooperDuper]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
Dungey insists Michalski was not telling police the truth. Michalski now agrees.

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 2m2 minutes ago
DM'"I will feed u opportunitys. U choose which to take" michalski-it was criminal activity. this is 3 days after DM dad dies. @AM900CHML

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Dungey: you're putting them off You're not telling them the truth You've been put into this position by Mr Millard
Michalski: that's correct

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 2m2 minutes ago
Michalski agrees he was put into that situation because of Millard #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Dungey; you know Tim Bosma had gone missing...and you know mr Millard was arrested for this murder.
Michalski: in relation to. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
(At that time Millard had been arrested for forcible confinement and truck theft. Not murder at this point). #Bosma