Bosma Murder Trial 04.19.16 - Day 37

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Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont now5 seconds ago
...was full for his sister's wedding. She was getting married weekend of May 18. Stayed at her place night before Smich was arrested.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 6s7 seconds ago
During time she knew Smich she says she interacted with him probably 10 times at family events. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 4s5 seconds ago
They stayed with Elizabeth again the night before #Smich arrested. Says she didn't interact with him much, about 10x at family events.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 3s4 seconds ago
During the May 2013 period Smich texted her, she says. Through iMessage. He was using an iPad, she says. #Bosma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 9s9 seconds ago
Said she interacted w him maybe 10 times over the time he dated marlena. @AM900CHML #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 4s5 seconds ago
So there was an email instead of a phone number as would appear during a cell phone text. #Bosma

 

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Meneses says Smich would text her on iMessage from an iPad.
by Adam Carter 4:19 PM

He sent her one message, she says.
by Adam Carter 4:19 PM

Meneses says at that time Smich didn't have a phone. "It was a recent event," she said. Smich told her it was "cancelled."
by Adam Carter 4:19 PM

 

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molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 12s13 seconds ago
It was just one message he sent her. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 13s13 seconds ago
She only had 10 interactions with Smich. He also texted her once. He used an iPad to contact her via iCloud account. #Bosma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP now
Smichs sister was getting married may 18th- needed to stay w her because family was coming to town. @AM900CHML #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes now4 seconds ago
Fraser asks whether she knows if he had a phone. She said he did not have one. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 6s7 seconds ago
Elizabeth says #Smich didn't have a phone -- May 11, told her it had been cancelled

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes now8 seconds ago
"It was a recent event. He said it was cancelled but I didn't ask for a reason." #Bosma

 

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Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 7s8 seconds ago
Otherwise he and marlena lived w his mom in Oakville. During his time at liz's she said he used marlenas phone. @AM900CHML

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 12s13 seconds ago
He didn't have phone. He said it was cancelled, she didn't ask for a reason why. He used Marlena's phone. Mark asked to use Elizabeth's too.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 18s18 seconds ago
#Smich was using Marlena's phone during that period. Pay as you go. Had to ask Elizabeth for her phone once.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 8s9 seconds ago
Recalls him asking her once to use her phone to call his mom. Said he couldn't use Marlena's bc it didn't have any minutes. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes now
Elizabeth says she had heard on the news about the #Bosma case but "didn't know much about it."

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 9s10 seconds ago
Elizabeth had heard about #TimBosma disappearance on news but didn't know much about it.

 

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Smich had used Marlena's phone in that period, Meneses says.
by Adam Carter 4:20 PM

Meneses says she had heard about Bosma's disappearance on the news, but didn't know much about it.
by Adam Carter 4:21 PM

Meneses says there was never any discussion between Smich and his girlfriend that she heard about Bosma or the truck.
by Adam Carter 4:21 PM

 

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On May 18 a person with a name that started with the name "D" visited Smich she says, adding he was a "neighbour of Mark's.'
by Adam Carter 4:23 PM

Says he was tall, had glasses and a chubby face.
by Adam Carter 4:23 PM

She says it was quick, about 15 to 20 minutes, and that Smich left with this person. Court has previouslt heard Brendan Daly was the one who visited.
by Adam Carter 4:24 PM

 

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molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 20s21 seconds ago
There was never any discussion about it with her or that she overheard. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 26s27 seconds ago
She never heard her sister discussing the case with #Smich

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 20s21 seconds ago
She heard about #Bosma on news. Didn't hear about arrests. Never talked to Smich about Bosma and never heard him talk to Marlena about it.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 22s22 seconds ago
Similarly she says there was no conversation about the truck. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 3s3 seconds ago
She says Mark and Marlena had a couple visitors during that week. Can't remember specific times. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
On May 18, she doesn't know his name but knows it started with a "D." A neighbour of Mark, she says. And a friend. #Bosma

 

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Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
She had few of Smich and Marlena's friends over during that week. May 18 Smich had visit from someone whose name started with D. Neighbour.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
#Smich had friends over to Elizabeth's apt. a couple of times during the week. Remembers a neighbour of Mark's (likely Brendan Daly)

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
She says he was probably around 18/19. White. "He was tall. Had glasses and a bit of a chubby face." #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
She says his visit was very quick. About 15/20 minutes. The two of them left together. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 55s56 seconds ago
He was white, 18 or 19, tall, glasses, chubby face. He left with Smich.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 44s45 seconds ago
Fraser showing her a photo of what looks like 4 cell phones. One is a blackberry. Photo was taken on her apt floor, she says. #Bosma

 

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molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 32s33 seconds ago
There are 2 bags in the photo too. She says Mark and Marlena brought them with them when they moved in. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 27s27 seconds ago
Showing her photo of four cell phones on the floor of her apartment. With two bags Mark and Marlena brought to her apartment.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 27s28 seconds ago
Asked if she recognizes the phones, she says she had given one - the 2nd from the right - to Mark. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 22s23 seconds ago
Looking at photos of devices seized from Elizabeth's apt. Plastic bags in photo were brought by #Smich & Marlena when they moved in.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 28s29 seconds ago
She does not recognize the others (including the blackberry). #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 14s15 seconds ago
Elizabeth only recognizes one of four devices - a phone she gave to #Smich about a month before May 2013. Pay as you go.

 

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Meneses now seeing a picture of four cell phones, she says they're on the floor of her apartment. She says one of the phones she gave to Smich.
by Adam Carter 4:25 PM

She says she gave Smich the pay as you go phone about a month before May.
by Adam Carter 4:26 PM

"He indicated at one point that he wanted to move to Calgary for about a year to move with his sister," Meneses says, adding that Marlena "did not want to go."
by Adam Carter 4:26 PM

 

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Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 10s11 seconds ago
One phone she gave to Mark a month earlier. Pay as you go. Doesn't recognize the others.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 41s41 seconds ago
She says she'd given mark the phone probably a month before May 2013. It was pay-as-you-go. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 21s21 seconds ago
Elizabeth says Mark had mentioned to her that he wanted to move to Calgary for about a year with his sister. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 20s20 seconds ago
#Smich told her he wanted to move to Calgary to be with his sister. Marlena did not want to go.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 31s32 seconds ago
She recalls that Marlena did not want to go. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 20s20 seconds ago
She says she's never met Dellen Millard. Knew of him as "Dell" from Mark and Marlena but never met him. #Bosma

 

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Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 17s17 seconds ago
Smich said he wanted to move to Calgary to visit his sister. Marlena did not want to go. She did not know Dellen Millard. Never met him.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 23s23 seconds ago
Elizabeth didn't know #Millard but had heard Marlena & #Smich talk about "Dell." She understood he & Smich were good friends.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 11s11 seconds ago
Based on convos w Mark Smich she got the impression that "they were really good friends." #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 15s15 seconds ago
Cross exam now by #Millard lawyer Nadir Sachak.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 7s8 seconds ago
Smich talked of Dell and she thought they were "really good friends." Crown done. Now Sachak doing cross for Millard.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes now
Nadir Sachak up for cross. He asks if Smich paid rent while they stayed with her. No. Nothing. Marlena bought groceries. #Bosma

 

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She says she concluded Millard and Smich were "very good friends."
by Adam Carter 4:27 PM

Millard's lawyer Nadir Sachak now cross-examining.
by Adam Carter 4:27 PM

She says Smich didn't pay rent when he stayed at their apartment, and Marlena bought groceries. Says Smich didn't pay for anything.
by Adam Carter 4:28 PM

 

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Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 10s10 seconds ago
#Smich didn't pay rent. Marlena bought groceries for the week. #Smich paid nothing the week he stayed with Elizabeth.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 10s10 seconds ago
Sachak; So you were being generous letting him stay. Being charitable.
Elizabeth: absolutely. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont now
Smich did not pay for anything during the week he stayed with her. Marlena paid for groceries. She was trying to help him out.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 28s29 seconds ago
"You weren't trying to exploit him, were you?" asks Sachak. No! Meneses seems taken aback.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 37s37 seconds ago
"You weren't trying to control him," Sachak says. "No nefarious intent in what you were doing."
"No," she says. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 16s17 seconds ago
Sachak suggests Smich told her that he would do odd jobs for Dell incl. plastering at the airport. Elizabeth agrees. #Bosma

 

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Meneses agrees that she was being charitable. Sachak asks if she was trying to "control" him, and she says no.
by Adam Carter 4:29 PM

"he needed help and I was willing to help him," she says.
by Adam Carter 4:29 PM

"Smich spoke highly of Dell?" Sachak says. "Yes, he did," Meneses answers.
by Adam Carter 4:30 PM

 

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molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 19s20 seconds ago
"Smich spoke highly of Dell," Sachak suggests. "Yes he did," she agrees. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 16s17 seconds ago
"He needed help and I was willing to help him." Smich said he did odd jobs for Dell at airport. Spoke highly of Dell.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 27s28 seconds ago
#Smich told Meneses he would do odd jobs for #Millard. Paint, plaster at hangar. #Smich spoke highly of "Dell." Dell helps him when needed

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 9s10 seconds ago
"He didn't say 'I'm so depressed, bc Dell gives me these perks he's dominating me,'" Sachak says. She agrees he did not. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews now3 seconds ago
#Smich never suggested to Elizabeth that he was "Dell's little puppy."

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 56s56 seconds ago
Sachak: He didn't suggest he was Dell's "little puppy" or "little slave."
She agrees. #Bosma

 

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"At no point did he suggest to you that he was Dell's little slave, that he would go with Dell and do what he wanted?" Sachak asks. Meneses agrees.
by Adam Carter 4:31 PM

Meneses agrees that Smich didn't go to work or school while he was staying there. She says she doesn't know what he was doing when he stayed at her apartment.
by Adam Carter 4:32 PM

Meneses' apartment was one bedroom and one bathroom.
by Adam Carter 4:33 PM

 

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molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 30s30 seconds ago
Elizabeth was working during this time. Marlena too would get up and go to work. Sachak asks what Smich would do. "I'm not sure," she says.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 43s43 seconds ago
Meneses was not making a lot of money but went to work at Sears every day. Marlena worked too. #Smich, not. "What would he do with his time?

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 41s42 seconds ago
"What would he do with his time?"
"Unfortunately I'm not aware of that, I'm not aware what he did." #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 40s41 seconds ago
Smich did not seem to be Dell's slave, she says. She worked at Sears at that time. She doesn't know what Smich did with his time.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 24s25 seconds ago
Elizabeth Meneses says she doesn't know what #Smich was doing during the day.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 19s20 seconds ago
He was staying there and not contributing, Sachak suggests. She agrees. #Bosma

 

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molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 34s35 seconds ago
Her apartment was a 1 bedroom. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 12s13 seconds ago
Sachak says wedding was "supposedly" reason Smich moved into her small apartment.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 10s10 seconds ago
30 Speers was 1 bdrm 1 bath. Sachak suggests it would be just as crowded as at #Smich mom house, with wedding guests.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 17s17 seconds ago
Sachak suggests that in using wedding and visiting family as an excuse, they were saying there'd be no room at Smich's house. Agrees.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 18s18 seconds ago
During week Smich is there, she did not see Dell. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes now5 seconds ago
Re: Smich's friend who visited, Sachak asks if the name 'Brendan Daly' sounds familiar. She says she couldn't say. #Bosma

 

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DM enjoyed today's proceedings...

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 9m9 minutes ago
Millard is laughing to himself as he listens to a conversation he is having about juicing. @AM900CHML #TimBosma

I hope Dellen the Melon didn't roll on the floor laughing, because he is about to become Dellen the felon for real. Didn't he text someone saying that knicknames come from your choices, or something like that.

Stay strong Bosma family!!!!