Bosma Murder Trial 04.21.16 - Day 38

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Then started dating for real. About a month in, she moved out of her family's house in Oakville, in with Smich. #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 1m1 minute ago Mississauga, Ontario
She moved into Smich's home after a month of dating #Bosma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 1m1 minute ago
Started dating 1 yr before tim Bosma dissapeared. @AM900CHML #timbosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
After a month of dating Meneses says she moved in with Smich. #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Fraser asks her about dropping out of school. Grad would've been June 2012. That's why she's a few credits short. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 41s42 seconds ago
That was in Oakville. 5 credits short of high school diploma. Smich home on Montrose Abby Drive in Oakville. She moved in. #Bosma

 

[ArianeEmory]

(Briefly, can anyone explain the "comments made by defendants to their gfs cannot be used against the other defendant" thing? Can't quite follow the legal/ethical thought there.)

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
She first moved in with Smich at his mom's house on Montrose Abbey Drive in Oakville. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
They both stayed in his bedroom at his mother's house in Oakville. #TimBosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
She lived in Mark's bedroom.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 59s59 seconds ago
She only had a month to go before she dropped out of school. She moved in with #Smich at his mom's on Montrose Abbey in @townofoakville

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
It was just them and his mom, as far as she can remember. They were there about a year she says. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 52s52 seconds ago
She lived there for a year. "We were pretty close but he wasn't always the greatest to me."

 

[meterclicks]

"We were pretty close, but, he wasn't always the greatest to me."
by Adam Carter 10:19 AM

She says she hasn't talked to Smich since he was arrested, and they're no longer together. "The day I got arrested, I just figured why even bother still being with him."
by Adam Carter 10:19 AM

Meneses says she met Millard through Smich. "They were really close, like brothers. I would say Mark cared for Dellen more than he cared for other people. He was in love with him."
by Adam Carter 10:20 AM

"You could just tell that was Mark's feelings towards Dellen.
by Adam Carter 10:21 AM

 

[SnooperDuper]

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 52s52 seconds ago
I was living there for, definitely, a year, I would say. - Marlena Meneses. We were pretty close but he wasn't always the greatest to me.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 44s44 seconds ago
Fraser asks her to describe her relationship, her closeness with Smich. "Yes we were close," she agrees. #Bosma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 1m1 minute ago
Lived w smich for a yr at his mothers. Shared a bedroom. We were very close. @AM900CHML #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 55s55 seconds ago
She hasn't talked to Smich since his arrest on May 22, 2013. "I just figured why even bother still being with him," she says. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 48s48 seconds ago
No contact with him since his arrest, May 22, 2013. "The day he got arrested I just figured why bother still being with him."

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 47s47 seconds ago
She's had no communication with #Smich since his arrest. "The day he got arrested I figured why even bother still being with him?"

 

[Just4TB]

(Briefly, can anyone explain the "comments made by defendants to their gfs cannot be used against the other defendant" thing? Can't quite follow the legal/ethical thought there.)

Third party = hearsay = not allowed as evidence.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
"We were close. He wasn't always the greatest to me." Meneses says. #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 1m1 minute ago Mississauga, Ontario
Meneses says the relationship ended after May 2013. 'After his arrest, I thought why even bother being with him?' #Bosma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 1m1 minute ago
She says "mark wasn't always greatest to me." Haven't talked since his arrest. "Why even bother" she said.@AM900CHML #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Fraser now asks her about Dellen Millard. She knew him through Smich. They were friends when she first met Smich. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
She knew Millard through Smich. They were friends when she met Smich.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
They broke up shortly after Smich's arrest on May 22 2013, Meneses suggested there was no point in continuing the relationship #Bosma

 

[SnooperDuper]

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 1m1 minute ago Mississauga, Ontario
'They were really close, like brothers' Meneses says of Smich and Millard #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
Meneses knew #Millard through #Smich. The two accused were friends. "They were really close, like brothers.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
"They were really close, like brothers. Mark cared for Dellen more than he cared for other people. He was in love with him."

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Fraser asks about their friendship. "They were really close, like brothers," she says. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
"I would say Mark cared for Dellen more than he cared for other people. He was in love with him." #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 1m1 minute ago Mississauga, Ontario
Meneses says Smich cared for Millard more than anyone else 'He was in love with him' #Bosma

 

[SnooperDuper]

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
Mark cared for Dellen more than others. He loved him. You could tell when you saw them together.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
"You could just tell those were Mark's feelings for Dellen. Millard and I were friends...I would go to him for advice."

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
"He would do stuff for me and help me out."

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
She says she & Millard were friends, at times she'd go to him for advice. But says they were more acquaintances than actual friends. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
She says Smich "was in love" with Dellen Millard. "They were like brothers." #TimBosma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 2m2 minutes ago
"They were close.like brothers. I'd say mark cared for Delen than he did for other people. He was in love w him." Millard smiled.@AM900CHML

 

[meterclicks]

She says she worked at Millard's hangar, doing jobs like cleaning the washroom. He wouldn't pay her regularly, but he'd pay for her phone, buy food, take her shopping.
by Adam Carter 10:22 AM

"I cleaned washrooms that men used all day ... it was disgusting." She says she asked him for a salary, but that never happened.
by Adam Carter 10:23 AM

She says she knew Andrew Michalski through Millard and Smich. The two are still friends, she says.
by Adam Carter 10:24 AM

 

[SnooperDuper]

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 2m2 minutes ago Mississauga, Ontario
Meneses said Millard helped her out with a 'few things' but they were more acquaintances than friends #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Fraser asks her about the hangar and her employment there. She would help w odd jobs, cleaning the washrooms. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
#Millard was an acquaintance she would go to for advice and help sometimes. She had some employment at his hangar.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
She worked at hangar. "I would help him do some jobs." Cleaned washrooms. He didn't pay her — bought her food, took her out shopping.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
"He wouldn't give me an actual payment, he'd buy me food pay for my phone or take me out shopping." #Bosma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 2m2 minutes ago
"If u were around them u could tell marks feelings". Certainly got a reaction in court. @AM900CHML #TimBosma

 

[SnooperDuper]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
Millard paid for her phone.

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 2m2 minutes ago Mississauga, Ontario
Meneses said when she worked for Millard, 'he would buy me food, pay for my phone, take me shopping' #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
She did odd jobs at hangar, mostly clean washrooms. Not for money "He would buy me food or take me out shopping"

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Fraser asks if she thought this was a satisfactory arrangement. "Not really...I cleaned washrooms men used all day. It was disgusting."

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
She didn't like that arrangement. "I cleaned washrooms that men used all day...it was disgusting. A girl my age should at least get paid..."

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
"I cleaned washrooms that men used all day. It was disgusting. A girl should get more than money on their phone or food..."

 

[meterclicks]

She says she doesn't really know Robert Bochenek, who also testified. She also says she doesn't know Matt Hagerman.
by Adam Carter 10:25 AM

She says she knew Brendan Daly, and he was "Mark's other best friend."
by Adam Carter 10:25 AM

"Only his girlfriend talks to me right now," Meneses says.
by Adam Carter 10:26 AM

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
She says she asked for money, there were things she wanted to do like go back to school, to college, but that was never the case. #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 2m2 minutes ago Mississauga, Ontario
Meneses said she thought she deserved getting paid in actual money 'I cleaned men's washrooms... they were disgusting' #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 2m2 minutes ago
Menses said she was paid in shopping trips by Dellen Millard for cleaning washrooms. An arrangement she didn't care for "it was disgusting"

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
Meneses says the arrangement was not satisfactory, she wanted money "To go to college or something"

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Fraser now asks her about Andrew Michalski. "Yes I did (know him). through Dellen and Mark," she says. #Bosma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 2m2 minutes ago
Millard was an aquaintance. She did work for him. He'd give her food. Clothing. Pay for her phone. Not $. @AM900CHML #TimBosma

 

[Kamille]

She says she worked at Millard's hangar, doing jobs like cleaning the washroom. He wouldn't pay her regularly, but he'd pay for her phone, buy food, take her shopping.
by Adam Carter 10:22 AM

"I cleaned washrooms that men used all day ... it was disgusting." She says she asked him for a salary, but that never happened.
by Adam Carter 10:23 AM

She says she knew Andrew Michalski through Millard and Smich. The two are still friends, she says.
by Adam Carter 10:24 AM

IOW...he'd pay for anything that he could on a MillardAir credit card?

MOO

 

[MsSherlock]

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 2m2 minutes ago Mississauga, Ontario
Meneses said Millard helped her out with a 'few things' but they were more acquaintances than friends #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Fraser asks her about the hangar and her employment there. She would help w odd jobs, cleaning the washrooms. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
#Millard was an acquaintance she would go to for advice and help sometimes. She had some employment at his hangar.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
She worked at hangar. "I would help him do some jobs." Cleaned washrooms. He didn't pay her — bought her food, took her out shopping.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
"He wouldn't give me an actual payment, he'd buy me food pay for my phone or take me out shopping." #Bosma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 2m2 minutes ago
"If u were around them u could tell marks feelings". Certainly got a reaction in court. @AM900CHML #TimBosma

Just another little slave working for bread crumbs and the privilege of knowing DM. MOO

 

[Ontario Mom]

This "was in love with him" does not describe a close, brotherly bond. It sounds more like the way you'd describe a couple that are intimate with one another. Unless I'm reading all these tweets incorrectly?

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
She still has a friendship with Michalski, she says. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 3m3 minutes ago
Now about Andrew Michalski. She knew him through Dellen and Mark. Considered him a friend. Still friends with him. Doesn't know Rob Boshenek

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 3m3 minutes ago
Meneses knew Michalski, and still has friendship with him. She's heard of Robert Bochenek but hasn't met him. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
She's heard of Robert Bochenek but can't recall meeting him. Knew he lived at Maplegate with Michalski. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Matt Hagerman? No she doesn't know him either. Again has heard of him. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
Knew Boshenek lived at Millard house. Doesn't know Matt Hagerman. Knows Brandan Daly, "Mark's other best friend." #bosma

 

[meterclicks]

She says she also knew Smich's friend "Arthur," who Daly described as Mark's "*****" when he testified.
by Adam Carter 10:27 AM

She also knew Christina Noudga, Millard's girlfriend. She didn't consider her a friend, she says.
by Adam Carter 10:28 AM

Meneses says she also knew Shane Schlatman through Millard.
by Adam Carter 10:28 AM

 

[SnooperDuper]

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 2m2 minutes ago
"I cleaned washrooms men used all day. Construction workers. It was disgusting. A girl should be given more than that."@AM900CHML #TimBosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 2m2 minutes ago
"A girl my age should be paid in actual money" she says. But that was never the case with Millard, she says. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Brendan Daly? She knows him. "He was Mark's other best friend (besides Millard)." #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 3m3 minutes ago
She says Daly and Smich got together "almost every day." #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 3m3 minutes ago Mississauga, Ontario
Crown asks Meneses about several friends of Millard and Smich's - Daly, Michalski, Hagerman, other young men we've seen on the stand

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
Meneses knows other witnesses we've heard of. She says #Smich saw Brendan Daly every day. He was a friend since before their romance