Bosma Murder Trial 04.21.16 - Day 38

[Bsafe]

This breaks my heart into a million pieces. Strangely, somehow, I had held on to the hope that it was in fact a robbery gone wrong and that one of them reacted by pulling a gun and then the trigger. I am not a legal expert in any way but to me this indicates premeditation.

She says Millard was driving. She says the mood was "very happy. They were just very happy, saying that they wanted to celebrate ... they didn't tell me exactly what they were celebrating. They just said that the mission went well."
by Adam Carter 11:17 AM

She says she assumed they got the truck that they wanted, but that wasn't said to her.
by Adam Carter 11:17 AM

Now taking the morning recess. Back in 20 mins.
by Adam Carter 11:18 AM

 

[Kamille]

MM may have been living in la la land, dreaming that MS could be reformed into marriage material, but she was smart enough not to get involved at all. She didn't know the whole story, but based on what MS told her, it made sense for him to go to police. MS knew what he told her wasn't exactly the truth, because even if DM "did it all", MS was into it, encouraged him, and was the getaway driver. He was implicated.

Because MM hadn't been involved in anything nefarious, unlike all the previous friends that have shown up to testify, she was free to talk to LE without fear, and she did so, immediately.

MS was out with DM again around midnight the next night, with her phone, and she is claiming that she didn't know he had her phone or that he was even out with it? They lived together in a bedroom basically. And the phone took a fews calls/texts from an "unknown" number that night, plus he took a lot of calls and texts from her on his phone in those records, again on the 9th when he was with DM again. Those are just the ones we saw. DM called her a child who worries too much. I think she very much asked him a lot of questions. Doesn't mean he answered any of them or told her the truth when he did.

But I still think she had more knowledge of what he did tell her that she chose not to share with LE because it would make her look bad.

Was DM's arrest and picture on the news Friday May 10th? And what news comes on at around 9pm? Because that's when MS first started to call AM.

MOO

 

[Nosey Parker]

Maybe she is a good but naive person, willing to fall in love with the guy who made eyes at her at the Timmy's, unwilling to believe that he was a murderer (especially after he denied it).

Yes, I understand where you are coming from regarding her naivety, although I don't agree, but why did she not report what she knew of DM then? Covering for MS' involvement? Complicit IMO.

 

[swedie]

This is Smich's sister Andrea. She was very upset, Meneses says. The gun was at his mother's place, and the sister wanted it out.
by Adam Carter 12:24 PM

Smich was responding with, "yeah, I know, I know," she says.
by Adam Carter 12:25 PM

By this point, she knew "significant things," Meneses says. She attempted to have Smich to go the police.
by Adam Carter 12:26 PM

ALL these people who knew and did absolutely nothing....DISGUSTING :stormingmad: I hope they are all totally ashamed of themselves.

IMO MM is holding back on discussions between her and MS after the fact. They had from May 10th, the day of DM's arrest until May 22nd, the day of MS's arrest and MS didn't really tell her anything other than DM was the the actual murderer and did everything?! Twelve days of no speaking about what went down...I don't buy it. But at least she got the information out there DM was the shooter/murderer of TB, just as many of us suspected. I won't be surprised if during CN's testimony she will say DM told her MS was the shooter though. DM and MS are both going to get first degree regardless. The Crown has proven a lot of premeditation and planning between these two. MOO.

 

[Just4TB]

MM ... she was free to talk to LE without fear, and she did so, immediately.

RSBM
"Immediately" after being arrested...

 

[SnooperDuper]

MS was out with DM again around midnight the next night, with her phone, and she is claiming that she didn't know he had her phone or that he was even out with it? They lived together in a bedroom basically. And the phone took a fews calls/texts from an "unknown" number that night, plus he took a lot of calls and texts from her on his phone in those records, again on the 9th when he was with DM again. Those are just the ones we saw. DM called her a child who worries too much. I think she very much asked him a lot of questions. Doesn't mean he answered any of them or told her the truth when he did.

But I still think she had more knowledge of what he did tell her that she chose not to share with LE because it would make her look bad.

Was DM's arrest and picture on the news Friday May 10th? And what news comes on at around 9pm? Because that's when MS first started to call AM.

MOO

People with pay-as-you-go phones aren't on them all the time, more just as they need a phone. MM probably didn't bother taking it to work where there was a landline. MM and MS shared an entire house with just one other person, and there was a yard, so don't think she was on top of him every second. Do you think if they weren't in a cell-sized bedroom together they were in the bathroom together? I don't think they were that close

There's news on TV 24/7, like CP24.

 

[SnooperDuper]

RSBM
"Immediately" after being arrested...

Susan ClairmontVerified account ‏@susanclairmont Apr 20
Marlena was never arrested. Christina Noudga was arrested. Never assume anything.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Yes, I understand where you are coming from regarding her naivety, although I don't agree, but why did she not report what she knew of DM then? Covering for MS' involvement? Complicit IMO.

I would guess she felt that she would just be going to LE to say MS told me DM killed someone, ask MS. So she thought the best she could do was to get MS to go to LE himself.

 

[Nosey Parker]

Susan ClairmontVerified account ‏@susanclairmont Apr 20
Marlena was never arrested. Christina Noudga was arrested. Never assume anything.

OK - handcuffed and taken in for questioning.

 

[Kamille]

Susan ClairmontVerified account ‏@susanclairmont Apr 20
Marlena was never arrested. Christina Noudga was arrested. Never assume anything.

Not sure I understand this one. Marlena was "taken down", put in handcuffs and taken to an Oakville police station. Not sure what you would call that. She may not have been charged but it sure appeared as though she was arrested.

How do police put you in handcuffs and into a patrol car without reading you your miranda rights? :waitasec:

MOO

 

[andreww]

"He told me that it was the night that they did the test drive." He didn't say why he was shot, he says. "He told me he did nothing, that Dell did it all."
by Adam Carter 12:14 PM

She says she had seen the incinerator at the hangar.
by Adam Carter 12:14 PM

"Dellen said he had a farm and it was for his animals." She says to her knowledge, there were no animals at the farm."
by Adam Carter 12:15 PM

I don't get that. Didn't SS say that once the Eliminator was set up and working he didn't see it at the hangar again? MM wasn't there on the 6th or 7th. How'd she see it there?

 

[andreww]

Not sure I understand this one. Marlena was "taken down", put in handcuffs and taken to an Oakville police station. Not sure what you would call that. She may not have been charged but it sure appeared as though she was arrested.

How do police put you in handcuffs and into a patrol car without reading you your miranda rights? :waitasec:

MOO

Detained.

 

[SnooperDuper]

OK - handcuffed and taken in for questioning.

Yeah, but she didn't make herself bleed like LW, and she handed over info on all of her phones.

She didn't evade questions for 40 pages of a 60 page statement.

It didn't take 4 interviews to get the truth.

She was a totally willing witness, and while one might not like the story MS told, I think MM's story is the truth of what she knows, was told, understands.

 

[Inspector_North]

Not sure I understand this one. Marlena was "taken down", put in handcuffs and taken to an Oakville police station. Not sure what you would call that. She may not have been charged but it sure appeared as though she was arrested.

How do police put you in handcuffs and into a patrol car without reading you your miranda rights? :waitasec:


MOO

Canada does not have miranda rights.

 

[missberry]

It may be because Arthur knew about the gun, and told his mother. His mother went over and yelled in Russian at MS. Do I have the Arthur incident correct?

I read every single post on here (since may 2013) but don't post much. I have always been confused about this arthur's mom thing. I would love to see where this came from backed up by tweets. I always thought that Arthur told his mom about the gun and perhaps (this is where I'm guessing) his mom told MS' mom and that MS' sister and mom went to MM's sister's house to yell at MS about the gun. Also something about the media showing up at MS' mom's house? I think that's when everyone on here started talking about Authur's mom yelling at MS...but I don't think that ever happened. I would love to know the truth. Anyone have any tweets that can clarify this?

 

[Inspector_North]

I don't get that. Didn't SS say that once the Eliminator was set up and working he didn't see it at the hangar again? MM wasn't there on the 6th or 7th. How'd she see it there?

This may be a response to a question not related to the time frame of the crime. MOO

 

[Inspector_North]

I read every single post on here (since may 2013) but don't post much. I have always been confused about this arthur's mom thing. I would love to see where this came from backed up by tweets. I always thought that Arthur told his mom about the gun and perhaps (this is where I'm guessing) his mom told MS' mom and that MS' sister and mom went to MM's sister's house to yell at MS about the gun. Also something about the media showing up at MS' mom's house? I think that's when everyone on here started talking about Authur's mom yelling at MS...but I don't think that ever happened. I would love to know the truth. Anyone have any tweets that can clarify this?

It was during BD's testimony.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Not sure I understand this one. Marlena was "taken down", put in handcuffs and taken to an Oakville police station. Not sure what you would call that. She may not have been charged but it sure appeared as though she was arrested.

How do police put you in handcuffs and into a patrol car without reading you your miranda rights? :waitasec:

MOO

No one said she was in handcuffs all the way to the police station. I am sure they were off once LE got the situation with MS under control. She was taken to the police station to make a statement, where they have a nice place to sit and video cameras and everything else they need to document that that you don't have in a street median.

If you are arrested they have to give you a reason why, e.g., AM was arrested for first degree murder, but was not charged.

MM was not arrested. She was just kept out of the way while they made MS's arrest and then taken to give a statement.

 

[Nosey Parker]

Yeah, but she didn't make herself bleed like LW, and she handed over info on all of her phones.

She didn't evade questions for 40 pages of a 60 page statement.

It didn't take 4 interviews to get the truth.

She was a totally willing witness, and while one might not like the story MS told, I think MM's story is the truth of what she knows, was told, understands.

I agree that once she was detained, and now on the stand, she appears forthcoming. My opinion is that she should have done this when she first knew of it. Let's see what the defence draws out of her.

 

[andreww]

Yeah, but she didn't make herself bleed like LW, and she handed over info on all of her phones.

She didn't evade questions for 40 pages of a 60 page statement.

It didn't take 4 interviews to get the truth.

She was a totally willing witness, and while one might not like the story MS told, I think MM's story is the truth of what she knows, was told, understands.

I still think she isn't being truthful. She heard about TB but she didn't know anything about his truck? That was the story, the reason it was on the front page! The truck was featured just as prominently as TB in the media, so how could she know about Tim but not his truck. So why would she lie about that? Because if she admits to knowing that Bosma was killed for his truck, the next question would be "This guy disappeared with his truck on the same night that your BF stole a truck and disappeared for the night, and you didn't put two and two together?"

Like everyone else she is minimizing her knowledge of it.