Bosma Murder Trial 04.21.16 - Day 38

[Massasauga Rattler]

I wonder why MS thought it was so important to have the drugs removed from the house after DM was arrested. I know the house would be searched by LE and they would have found the drugs anyway if they were not removed but what was going through MS's mind at the time to worry him so much about it? At that point there was nothing linking the drugs to MS so why even bother in the first place and LE was more interested in finding a man still presumed missing at that point. Was MS just trying to save DM's a** or did he want the drugs for himself or both?

My guess is he knew the value of the drugs, and that he could make a load of cash off them. Alternatively, he thought the gun that he wanted was with the drugs in the toolbox, and that by asking for the drugs, the gun would arrive also, unbeknown to the deliverer.

 

[leafs_fan93]

I wonder why MS thought it was so important to have the drugs removed from the house after DM was arrested. I know the house would be searched by LE and they would have found the drugs anyway if they were not removed but what was going through MS's mind at the time to worry him so much about it? At that point there was nothing linking the drugs to MS so why even bother in the first place and LE was more interested in finding a man still presumed missing at that point. Was MS just trying to save DM's a** or did he want the drugs for himself or both?

I'd hazard a guess that he still felt a sense of loyalty to DM and to look out for him.

 

[Typhoo1961]

I think everyone agrees that her explanation was wrong because the news of Millard's arrest did not actually hit the news until the following day.

I think MM was telling the truth regarding the news.We have no actual proof that the news of DM's arrest was held off until the 11th by any one of many, many media outlets.Truth be told I think CHCH put the news of DM'S arrest on tv before their 11:00 pm news broadcast and found out about it through police scanners. MOO

 

[Claroon]

I sat in today and I don't have much to add but I don't think the reporters mentioned this - when MM testified about MS talking about DM doing the killing, DM was GLARING at MS for a few minutes. Additionally, when a surveillance photograph of MM and MS was shown, MS looked to have slummed a bit and put his head in hands.

DM made my friend and me super uncomfortable. Before the day began he was sitting and laughing with his lawyers. When we were dismissed for the afternoon recess, he stood up, turned to watch the spectators and smiles. I don't know how the friends and family do it everyday.

Alex Pierson on her podcast says when MM said MS was in love with him that DM smiled from ear to ear like a Cheshire cat as though to say, "see I'm lovable." She also said when MM said DM murdered TB that DM had his tongue in his cheek like someone who is angry.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=twit...69i60j69i64.5687j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

 

[billandrew]

I think MM was telling the truth regarding the news.We have no actual proof that the news of DM's arrest was held off until the 11th by any one of many, many media outlets.Truth be told I think CHCH put the news of DM'S arrest on tv before their 11:00 pm news broadcast and found out about it through police scanners. MOO

But surely somebody would have posted it on this forum, no? AFAIK the earliest mention of an arrest that anyone has found is May 11 in the a.m. Isn't it strange that people like Meneses and Villada would have seen it on Friday night, but no sleuthers did? It's just not adding up IMO.

 

[Claroon]

Is the consensus that this part of Meneses's testimony is 1) a lie, or 2) a misrecollection? I was hoping somebody here would recall hearing about Millard's arrest on the Friday night (May 10), but most people seem pretty convinced that there was absolutely no announcement until the next day. I personally cannot remember, nor can I find a good source about the news coming out on the 10th.

What bothers me about this is that Meneses's testimony fits so well into the timeline, and something alerted Smich to start calling Michalski about getting the drugs out of Maple Gate. And in all of the testimony we heard, there was no mention of Noudga or anyone else reaching out to Smich to tell him that Millard was arrested. If there was no news until Saturday, I'd like to understand how Smich found out, and why Meneses is lying/misremembering.

I'm voting for muddled explanation. They did release a description of the suspects then and maybe that was enough for MS to freak out. IMO

 

[Typhoo1961]

Alex Pierson on her podcast says when MM said MS was in love with him that DM smiled from ear to ear like a Cheshire cat as though to say, "see I'm lovable." She also said when MM said DM murdered TB that DM had his tongue in his cheek like someone who is angry.

Body language says a lot.

 

[Massasauga Rattler]

But surely somebody would have posted it on this forum, no? AFAIK the earliest mention of an arrest that anyone has found is May 11 in the a.m. Isn't it strange that people like Meneses and Villada would have seen it on Friday night, but no sleuthers did? It's just not adding up IMO.

I wish one of the TV news reporters covering this trial could pull some transcripts from the evening news on the 10th

 

[LibTech]

I read every single post on here (since may 2013) but don't post much. I have always been confused about this arthur's mom thing. I would love to see where this came from backed up by tweets. I always thought that Arthur told his mom about the gun and perhaps (this is where I'm guessing) his mom told MS' mom and that MS' sister and mom went to MM's sister's house to yell at MS about the gun. Also something about the media showing up at MS' mom's house? I think that's when everyone on here started talking about Authur's mom yelling at MS...but I don't think that ever happened. I would love to know the truth. Anyone have any tweets that can clarify this?

Tweets from BD's testimony in regards to Arthur's mom...

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 54s54 seconds ago
He said Arthur had moved it from somewhere on Kerr St to his mom's house. He said Arthur had told his mom so he was worried. #Bosma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 4m4 minutes ago
Who is arthur? A russian friend of Smich. Brendan Daley didn't like him. Smich gave him the tool box. @AM900CHML #TimBosma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 3m3 minutes ago
Arthur messed up the tool box job. He told his mother. Smich was confronted by his mom. She yelled at him in Russian.@AM900CHML #TimBosma


Tweets from MM's testimony seem to imply that MS told his sister about the gun.

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 4m4 minutes ago
MM says the gun was at smichs mothers home. His sister freaked out. Said it had to go. Smich says "yeah, I know" @AM900CHML #TimBosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 4m4 minutes ago
Smich's sister wanted the gun out of the house, Smich was saying "yeah I know, I know" the sister was yelling #TimBosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 4m4 minutes ago
Mark was saying "Yeah, I know, I know." She knows by this time that #Bosma was murdered, Dell under arrest and that Smich was involved.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
She knows about the #Bosma case at this point, Fraser establishes again. Yes. She knew Millard was arrested. Had been told things by Smich.

 

[Typhoo1961]

But surely somebody would have posted it on this forum, no? AFAIK the earliest mention of an arrest that anyone has found is May 11 in the a.m. Isn't it strange that people like Meneses and Villada would have seen it on Friday night, but no sleuthers did? It's just not adding up IMO.

How many sleuthers actually watch tv anymore? I still think someone from here, who has much more knowledge then I do regarding such things, could find out if a news flash or blurb mentioning DM's arrest was televised on the evening of May 10. Local news, if they knew about the arrest, would be all over it.

 

[Typhoo1961]

I wish one of the TV news reporters covering this trial could pull some transcripts from the evening news on the 10th

Same here.

 

[billandrew]

I'm voting for muddled explanation. They did release a description of the suspects then and maybe that was enough for MS to freak out. IMO

I'm leaning toward that view as well, Claroon. If Smich heard on the news that police were searching for someone with an ambition tattoo, and then Millard was no longer answering his calls or replying to his texts, he could have very well concluded that Millard had been arrested.

 

[JuneBug67]

She says Meneses is finishing her cross-examination tomorrow morning "and then they'll break for the weekend."

Does she know something no one else in the world knows?

Look, just be grateful she didn't wander into traffic court by accident and report on the unexpected turn of events in the trial.

 

[Alethea Dice]

MM testified that MS was on the phone requesting the drugs be taken out of the house and brought to him. There are several tweets about MM overhearing MS's end of the conversation but not once did she mention the toolbox being requested. AM said that MS had asked for it but it seemed by today's testimony that MS was not expecting the toolbox. So, did DM direct that it be given to MS if he was arrested or was AM telling the truth that MS specifically requested it?

According to AM's phone records, MS requested it.

From Molly H's tweets:

More texts from Meneses phone (Smich). At 2:22 pm: "Tell him were its at and ask him to bring it to me with the other thing." #Bosma Apr 13, 2016

 

[swedie]

I went back to an earlier thread to see when the first announcement of an arrest was made here on WS and it was during a news conference at 1pm on May 11th, 2013. That was the Saturday, the day after DM's arrest in which it was made public. So there is no way MM and MS saw it on the news Friday night. I suspect MM and MS learned of DM's arrest through one of the DM's groupies or MB on Friday night. MOO.

Gotta love dedicated sleuthers for staying on top of a story. Thanks dotr!

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"They will be holding a news briefing at 1 p.m. today to provide details on the arrest"

Bbm.

 

[CJPRINCESS]

I wonder why MS thought it was so important to have the drugs removed from the house after DM was arrested. I know the house would be searched by LE and they would have found the drugs anyway if they were not removed but what was going through MS's mind at the time to worry him so much about it? At that point there was nothing linking the drugs to MS so why even bother in the first place and LE was more interested in finding a man still presumed missing at that point. Was MS just trying to save DM's a** or did he want the drugs for himself or both?

IMO, I don't think it was about the drugs now but rather the drugs were a cover to get the gun. Everyone so far has known the toolbox to be full of drugs. Could have said that DM had more around other then what he gave MH. I'm pretty sure that he knew DM was in big DOODOO! that the drugs were the least of his concern but the murder weapon needed to disappear.

It looks like we won't be hearing from Bleach but I'm still thinking he wanted $100 in weed, not a gun as BD testified to. IMO, he wasn't the brightest crayon in the box and was probably misunderstanding or too high. Maybe MS asked "hey Daly, ya know anyone who'd want to buy a gun" in conversation. Maybe MS finally took some advice from MM and just buried it instead of trying to sell it. Besides, if MS/BD tried to sell the gun to Bleach, you'd think he'd be a great crown witness? Like someone mentioned here during BD's testimony...would BD really not bring the gun to a potential buyer? If someone was interested, they'd want to see it. But he testified that he didn't actually see the gun.

MOO

 

[Massasauga Rattler]

I went back to an earlier thread to see when the first announcement of an arrest was made here on WS and it was during a news conference at 1pm on May 11th, 2013. That was the Saturday, the day after DM's arrest in which it was made public. So there is no way MM and MS saw it on the news Friday night. I suspect MM and MS learned of DM's arrest through one of the DM's groupies or MB on Friday night. MOO.

Gotta love dedicated sleuthers for staying on top of a story. Thanks dotr!

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"They will be holding a news briefing at 1 p.m. today to provide details on the arrest"

Bbm.

To put even further certainly on the idea that Millard's arrrest was not known by the media on the 10th, I did a Google news search for the name "Millard" on both May 10, 2013 and May 11,2013.

The results are as follows:

May 10 - https://www.google.ca/search?q=mill...1,cd_min:2013-05-10,cd_max:2013-05-10&tbm=nws
May 11 - https://www.google.ca/search?q=mill...1,cd_min:2013-05-11,cd_max:2013-05-11&tbm=nws

There is NO mention anywhere on the internet of the name "Millard" in connection with any news story on the 10th. Then all of a sudden on the 11th, tons of them.

She is BSing

 

[JuneBug67]

But surely somebody would have posted it on this forum, no? AFAIK the earliest mention of an arrest that anyone has found is May 11 in the a.m. Isn't it strange that people like Meneses and Villada would have seen it on Friday night, but no sleuthers did? It's just not adding up IMO.

It's interesting though that they both had the recollection. It corroborates something, whether that something is the fact that Millard's name was out on Friday night or the fact that recall even for recent and impactful events is vulnerable to error.

 

[swedie]

While searching for the above information I posted re: DM's arrest, I came across this video another member linked. I wonder if DM and a buddy were in London, ON on April 8, 2013, in the wee hours of the morn? The whole DM wanting to build an ebike seems somewhat ironic seeing this video now. MOO.

[video=youtube;4mig8L9QxYs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mig8L9QxYs[/video]

 

[Alethea Dice]

Meneses's testimony today is the only evidence (that I'm aware of) that the jury has heard to explain how Smich was notified of Millard's arrest. And whether she was lying or not, I think everyone agrees that her explanation was wrong because the news of Millard's arrest did not actually hit the news until the following day.

Therefore, the jury has not heard any reliable evidence to explain how Smich found out about Millard's arrest. Of all the phone activity and extraction reports presented by the Crown, there is nothing to show that anyone contacted Smich between the time of Millard's arrest and the time that Smich first contacted Michalski to tell him "they got Dell." Is this not a critical or important event? If Millard's lawyer was the one who contacted Smich, would there be a reason why that couldn't be disclosed in the court?

What about MWJ? DM did originally have his lawyer. Maybe DM called MWJ to get him a lawyer.