Bosma Murder Trial 04.27.16 - Day 41

[SomeITGuy]

Some people smile under pressure. I know I do. I also laugh when I'm uncomfortable. It's embarrassing and I hate it.

I'm the same, laugh in awkward/uncomfortable situations.. Usually it's an inappropriate time to laugh but I can't help it.

 

[Kamille]

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
Her hair is long, dark. She's wearing little makeup. A white blouse and dark pants. She & #Millard have been looking at each other,

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Noudga is wearing a long black skirt, a white blouse and red heels. She has long brown hair. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 57s58 seconds ago
She is being sworn in on the bible. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 55s56 seconds ago
Noudga and Millard appear to be looking at each other across the courtroom. She chooses to swear on the bible. Speaks loudly. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
Her voice is loud and strong. She seems self-assured. Swearing on the bible.

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 1m1 minute ago
Nougda requests her evidence be protected under canada evidence act. what she says here in crt can't be used against her. @AM900CHML

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
Justice Goodman is telling the jury a witness has the right to claim protection under Canada Evidence Act. That means she can't refuse Qs

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Justice Goodman is explaining to the jury that in Canada, a witness can not refuse to answer a question that might incriminate them...

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Judge tells jury any witness in Canada had right to claim protection under the Canada Evidence Act. Evidence cannot be used against witness.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 51s52 seconds ago
... just because it may incriminate her. The Evidence Act provides that her answers can't be used against her at future trial. #TimBosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 44s45 seconds ago
Jury back. Christina Noudga in the witness box. Judge explaining that her answers can't used in her own trial. #Bosma

 

[Velma]

The jury is now being recalled. Noudga is in the courtroom.
by Adam Carter 12:09 PM

Justice Goodman tells the jury that any witness in a trial in Canada can claim the protection of section 5 in the Canada Evidence Act. That means she cannot refuse a question just because it could incriminate him or her -- but the act also says that answer can't be used in a subsequent criminal trial except over perjury or conflicting evidence.
by Adam Carter 12:13 PM

Assistant Crown Tony Leitch is doing her examination in chief. Starts by saying he has never met Noudga for any preparation. She has a trial set for her accessory after the fact charge set for Nov. 14.
by Adam Carter 12:15 PM

Leitch says there's no agreement between her and the Crown over her evidence today.
by Adam Carter 12:15 PM

 

[Just4TB]

Susan Clairmont... Noudga has asked for this protection. Her evidence at #Bosma cannot be used against her in her own accessory after fact to murder case.

This is a positive sign... hopeful she is forthright... fingers x'd...

 

[Kamille]

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 1m1 minute ago
In Canada a witness charged w a crime can't refuse to answer questions. Therefore she is protected under sec 5 crim justice act. @AM900CHML

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Noudga has asked for this protection. Her evidence at #Bosma cannot be used against her in her own accessory after fact to murder case.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
Noudga faces Accessory after the Fact of Murder charges. Her testimony here won't affect that. #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
...however they can be protected in that this testimony cannot be used against them at their own subsequent trial.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 2m2 minutes ago
Justice Goodman saying that the fact she asked for protection has no bearing on her credibility. #Bosma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 2m2 minutes ago
The fact she has this protection has no bearing on credibility. Crown starts. @AM900CHML

 

[matou]

Sorry had to post this:

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 4m4 minutes ago
Noudga is an alleged accessory after the fact in both #Bosma and Babcock cases. #MillardSmich

 

[Kamille]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Crown Tony Leitch up for examination-in-chief. He and Noudga have never met. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 3m3 minutes ago
Crown Tony Leitch says he & Noudga have never met. She was charged Apr 10 2014. #TimBosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 3m3 minutes ago
Crown Tony Leitch on his feet. He says they have never met before. April 10, 2014 she was arrested for accessory after fact in #Bosma case.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Noudga gave a video statement to police on April 10, 2014 after being arrested and charged w being an accessory after the fact. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 3m3 minutes ago
Noudga was charged April 10 2014 for accessory after the fact in connection to the #TimBosma murder. She gave several statements to police

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 3m3 minutes ago
She gave a second statement on June 25, 2014. She says she doesn't recall. #Bosma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 3m3 minutes ago
Charged april 10 gives statement to police that day and again on june 25. She doesn't remember. @AM900CHML

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 3m3 minutes ago
June 25, 2014 she gave another video statement to police, Leitch says. She says "I don't recall." Her trial set for Nov. 14, 2016. 3 weeks.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 3m3 minutes ago
Her trial is set for November 2016. Three weeks set aside. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 3m3 minutes ago
There is no agreement between she and the crown re: the evidence she'll give today, Leitch says. She agrees. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 3m3 minutes ago
Nov 14 Is her trial date. There's no agreement between Noudga and the crown with respect to her evidence. She has a lawyer in court.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 3m3 minutes ago
Her trial takes place November 16 2016 and she has no agreement with the crown - she's never met crown lawyer Tony Leitch. #TimBosma

 

[RandomName479]

And I think the fact she refused to meet with the crown prior to testifying (kinda like LW2) is a bad sign......that the loyalty to DM is still strong....MOO

 

[mozzagirl]

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
Her hair is long, dark. She's wearing little makeup. A white blouse and dark pants. She & #Millard have been looking at each other,

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 55s56 seconds ago
Noudga and Millard appear to be looking at each other across the courtroom. She chooses to swear on the bible. Speaks loudly. #Bosma

I wonder if she is still in love with him?

 

[Kamille]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 4m4 minutes ago
Her lawyer is here in the courtroom, sitting with her mom. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 4m4 minutes ago
No agreement between her and Crown with respect to her evidence today. Her lawyer is in the courtroom.

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 4m4 minutes ago
her trial is later this fall. Nov 4th. 2016. Her lawyers r here. She did not meet w crown ahead of trial. @AM900CHML #timbosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 3m3 minutes ago
She has had the opportunity to review her statements ahead of today. She has done so. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 4m4 minutes ago
She understands she'll be asked about events dating back to May 2013.

 

[mozzagirl]

Sorry had to post this:

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 4m4 minutes ago
Noudga is an alleged accessory after the fact in both #Bosma and Babcock cases. #MillardSmich

:jail:

 

[Nosey Parker]

Sorry had to post this:

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 4m4 minutes ago
Noudga is an alleged accessory after the fact in both #Bosma and Babcock cases. #MillardSmich

Wow! Thanks - didn't know that

 

[Velma]

Noudga says she was Dellen Millard's girlfriend in 2013. "We had been together since 2010, and basically spent most of our time together ... doing what couples would do."
by Adam Carter 12:16 PM

"Were you in love with him?" Leitch asks. "Yes," she says.
by Adam Carter 12:17 PM

Noudga says she met Millards through friends. Leitch asks if they were exclusive. "I thought it was ... I had my suspicions, but they were always denied."
by Adam Carter 12:18 PM

She says Millard's nicknames for her were Rubix and Kinks.
by Adam Carter 12:19 PM

Noudga says she met Smich through Millard.
by Adam Carter 12:19 PM

"How much contact did you have with Mr. Smich?" Leitch says. "As much as one acquaintance has with another," Noudga says.
by Adam Carter 12:20 PM

She says she knows Smich would do work for Millard at the hangar.
by Adam Carter 12:21 PM

Noudga says she'd hang out with Millard and Smich together once or twice a week.
by Adam Carter 12:21 PM

 

[Nosey Parker]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 4m4 minutes ago
Her lawyer is here in the courtroom, sitting with her mom. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 4m4 minutes ago
No agreement between her and Crown with respect to her evidence today. Her lawyer is in the courtroom.

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 4m4 minutes ago
her trial is later this fall. Nov 4th. 2016. Her lawyers r here. She did not meet w crown ahead of trial. @AM900CHML #timbosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 3m3 minutes ago
She has had the opportunity to review her statements ahead of today. She has done so. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 4m4 minutes ago
She understands she'll be asked about events dating back to May 2013.

Sorry, but how then could she not recall giving them? Shades of things to come?

 

[Kamille]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 4m4 minutes ago
At this time she was Dellen Millard's girlfriend. They'd been together since 2010. Spent most of their time together. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 4m4 minutes ago
She was Dellen #Millard's girlfriend at the time, she says. "We had been together since 2010 and basically spent most of our time together"

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 4m4 minutes ago
She reviewed material before coming today. In May 2013 she was Dellen Millard's girlfriend. "We had been together since 2010, I believe."

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
"Doing an assortment of random things couples do," she says. Lived with her parents but spent most evenings w him. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
She was in love with him. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 5m5 minutes ago
"I was living at home but I spent most of my evenings there." Mainly 5 Maple Gate. Were you in love with him? Yes

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 5m5 minutes ago
Dated millard starting 2010. Spent all her time w him. Stayed at his etobicoke home. She was in love w him. @AM900CHML #timbosma

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 5m5 minutes ago
Noudga says she was Dellen Millard's girlfriend in 2013. "We had been together since 2010," Noudga says. #TimBosma #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 5m5 minutes ago
She lived at home, but spent most evenings with him at Maplegate. Were you in love with him? "Yes." Met through friends.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 5m5 minutes ago
Noudga started dating Millard in 2010. She was in love with him. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
She met him "through friends, mostly." Dated a friend of Andrew Michalski in high school. Then got to know Millard. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 5m5 minutes ago
They met through friends. She used to date a Michalski friend in highschool & got to know #Millard. She knew Michalski longer than #Millard

 

[MsSherlock]

Noudga says she was Dellen Millard's girlfriend in 2013. "We had been together since 2010, and basically spent most of our time together ... doing what couples would do."
by Adam Carter 12:16 PM

"Were you in love with him?" Leitch asks. "Yes," she says.
by Adam Carter 12:17 PM

Noudga says she met Millards through friends. Leitch asks if they were exclusive. "I thought it was ... I had my suspicions, but they were always denied."
by Adam Carter 12:18 PM

She says Millard's nicknames for her were Rubix and Kinks.
by Adam Carter 12:19 PM

Noudga says she met Smich through Millard.
by Adam Carter 12:19 PM

"How much contact did you have with Mr. Smich?" Leitch says. "As much as one acquaintance has with another," Noudga says.
by Adam Carter 12:20 PM

She says she knows Smich would do work for Millard at the hangar.
by Adam Carter 12:21 PM

Noudga says she'd hang out with Millard and Smich together once or twice a week.
by Adam Carter 12:21 PM

Together since 2010? Thought they were exclusive? Seem to be missing an engagement with JS in this time frame- aren't we? MOO

 

[Velma]

"They just seemed to be friends, smoked a lot of dope together, just hung out, played video games, tried to focus on Mark's rap career, regular guy stuff," Noudga says about Millard and Smich.
by Adam Carter 12:22 PM

"They would get together and do a lot of household tasks ... Dell would do household renovations, Mark would help out with that," Noudga says.
by Adam Carter 12:24 PM

She says she thinks she saw Millard more than Smich did.
by Adam Carter 12:24 PM

Noudga says she also knew "Isho" -- Matthew Ward Jackson.
by Adam Carter 12:24 PM

 

[Ontario Mom]

Noudga says she was Dellen Millard's girlfriend in 2013. "We had been together since 2010, and basically spent most of our time together ... doing what couples would do."
by Adam Carter 12:16 PM

"Were you in love with him?" Leitch asks. "Yes," she says.
by Adam Carter 12:17 PM

Noudga says she met Millards through friends. Leitch asks if they were exclusive. "I thought it was ... I had my suspicions, but they were always denied."
by Adam Carter 12:18 PM

She says Millard's nicknames for her were Rubix and Kinks.
by Adam Carter 12:19 PM

Noudga says she met Smich through Millard.
by Adam Carter 12:19 PM

"How much contact did you have with Mr. Smich?" Leitch says. "As much as one acquaintance has with another," Noudga says.
by Adam Carter 12:20 PM

She says she knows Smich would do work for Millard at the hangar.
by Adam Carter 12:21 PM

Noudga says she'd hang out with Millard and Smich together once or twice a week.
by Adam Carter 12:21 PM

Um... when was DM engaged to someone else? And when did he meet LB? :thinking:

 

[Massasauga Rattler]

Wow! Thanks - didn't know that

Did not realize the Babcock case as well! That's total news. Really makes the "Help Find Laura" group, that she belonged to on Facebook, seem all that more gruesome and disgusting.

Well, let's hear what Lady Macbeth has to say....

 

[Kamille]

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 6m6 minutes ago
She met him through friends. She was dating a friend of andrew michalski. She ran into millard. @AM900CHML #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 6m6 minutes ago
So she knew Michalski "significantly longer" than she knew Millard. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 6m6 minutes ago
She used to date Andrew Michalski's friend. Dated Millard sometime late 2010/2011. "It just kind of grew." Spent most days together.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 6m6 minutes ago
Sometime after 2010 they started dating." It kinda grew so I don't have a concrete date to reference."

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 6m6 minutes ago
She started dating Millard in 2011 and spent most days with him. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 6m6 minutes ago
Doesn't have a concrete start date for their relationship. "It kind of just grew."

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 7m7 minutes ago
In her mind it was an exclusive relationship. "I had my suspicions but they were always denied," she says. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 7m7 minutes ago
Was your relationship exclusive? In my mind. She had suspicions #Millard was cheating but he always denied

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 6m6 minutes ago
Met him 2010. Grew from there. She thought it was exclusive . She had her "suspicions" he always denied it. @AM900CHML #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 7m7 minutes ago
He had nicknames for her. Rubix, Kinks. Because she can finish the Rubix cube. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 7m7 minutes ago
She thought their relationship was "exclusive." "I had my suspicions but they were always denied." Her nicknames: Rubix and Kinks.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 7m7 minutes ago
Leitch says he won't ask why he called her kinks but asks if we can assume it's for other reasons. Yes, she says. #Bosma