Bosma Murder Trial 04.28.16 - Day 42

[mskrisc]

Another answer for us. Apparently MB is the one who told CN about the arrest the night of the 10th.

Plus, she calls his mom "Madeleine"??

Better than Rabbit [emoji12]

 

[Stirner]

"From behind a turquoise prison door, Dellen Millard tentatively appears, a tall man in an orange prison jumpsuit, contained behind a thick glass wall.
The doe-eyed 28-year-old smiles as he sits down and picks up a black, 1960s-style phone receiver and places it to his ear.

"http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/12/30/dellen_millard_says_he_didnt_kill_tim_bosma_exclusive_interview.html

Open visits for family members...

 

[EspressoBean]

Yeah I didn't mean they don't exist, I mean they are not ubiquitous and open visits are far more common. The word 'cliche' does have a meaning in the dictionary...

You had said they were from movies and tv. And respectfully, you are incorrect.
Open visits are more common in federal prisons when someone has been convicted and sentenced.
Closed visits are usually the case (glass and telephone) when someone has not yet been convicted or sentenced. DM's visits would be closed and behind the cliche glass and with a telephone.

 

[Stirner]

This case has the top crown lawyers on this case. These aren't your average prosecutors.

You mean Hamilton's 'top crown lawyers'. And if they were so great, how come this is the first time in Hamilton's history three of them are needed to try a murder case?

 

[Stirner]

You had said they were from movies and tv. And respectfully, you are incorrect.
Open visits are more common in federal prisons when someone has been convicted and sentenced.
Closed visits are usually the case (glass and telephone) when someone has not yet been convicted or sentenced. DM's visits would be closed and behind the cliche glass and with a telephone.

I know what I said, and you're misrepresenting it. Which isn't respectful at all.

 

[Typhoo1961]

Open visits for family members...

Lawyers too.

 

[mskrisc]

I think he may have given them to his lawyer who handed them to his mom thinking they were for his mom. So these ones not mailed. To that random chick, perhaps was mailed. IMO

Wonder if this is why his first lawyer wasn't retained?

 

[Stirner]

Lawyers too.

Actually they can get a closed room with just their lawyer, so lawyers get even better access than family members.

 

[Kamille]

I'm not completely caught up, but I believe the query is regarding CN's letters not turning up on the other side? If DM is held in such high security, how did he have any chance for the lack of supervision to allow him to read, write and prepare secret letters? Very interesting...

It is...and my personal opinion is that a certain "unretained" attorney, who had many months of private attorney/client access, even though he was never officially retained for court purposes, may have been helping a certain "bunny with cash" move letters between her "lam" and his duped girlfriend.

Which again is just MOO

 

[EspressoBean]

You mean Hamilton's 'top crown lawyers'. And if they were so great, how come this is the first time in Hamilton's history three of them are needed to try a murder case?

I'm not sure where your animosity is coming from and the number of them has nothing to do with their ability but the size and seriousness of this case.

 

[EspressoBean]

Actually they can get a closed room with just their lawyer, so lawyers get even better access than family members.

Lawyers get access with their clients that is different than visits and in a private room.
Maybe you can help me understand where you are getting the information that family has open visits.

 

[Kamille]

Wonder if this is why his first lawyer wasn't retained?

Still waiting to hear about the closed door hearings that pertained to "attorney/client privilege" that the media had to fight to get transcripts and access to.

MOO

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...s-before-holding-private-session-with-lawyers

 

[Stirner]

I'm not sure where your animosity is coming from and the number of them has nothing to do with their ability but the size and seriousness of this case.

I'm not sure why you think there's any animosity coming from me, but the size and seriousness of this case is not unusual. Three crown prosecutors is unusual.

 

[Stirner]

Lawyers get access with their clients that is different than visits and in a private room.
Maybe you can help me understand where you are getting the information that family has open visits.

Pretty much standard policy in most jails and prisons.

 

[SnooperDuper]

I'm not sure why you think there's any animosity coming from me, but the size and seriousness of this case is not unusual. Three crown prosecutors is unusual.

Two defendants plus massive amounts of evidence equals three Crown lawyers. Remember this case was also notable for the amount of computer/cell phone data seized. The Crown has an unusually large case in terms of the amount of evidence they have to handle. DM also has two lawyers and MS one, so there are three lawyers on the opposing side as well. I don't get where you get the idea that this case is unusual in size or seriousness. It is part of a police project that spun off

- gun trial of the three Matthews
- LB trial
- WB trial
- CN accessory to murder trial
- thefts still under investigation by LE

 

[EspressoBean]

Pretty much standard policy in most jails and prisons.

Where are you getting this information? Like I have said, in a federal prison, that is the case. When DM is serving what I can only hope is a life sentence, he will more than likely have open visits. That is not the standard policy in a provincial jail prior to conviction. DM is in a provincial prison and has not yet been convicted.
I hope that clear things up unless you have a link for a source that says otherwise.

 

[Stirner]

You had said they were from movies and tv. And respectfully, you are incorrect.
Open visits are more common in federal prisons when someone has been convicted and sentenced.
Closed visits are usually the case (glass and telephone) when someone has not yet been convicted or sentenced. DM's visits would be closed and behind the cliche glass and with a telephone.

When someone has been in jail for 3 years they get open visits from family members. Most people who go to jail aren't there for very long and it would not be considered to be cruel and unusual punishment to deny open visits. But for anyone there more than 6 months, any lawyer worth his salt is going to get open visits for family members.

 

[Kamille]

So it appears that DM is not suffering or being "tortured" in "solitary confinement", but rather quite likes his segregation situation. Which is what I've always maintained is the reason why he continues to be in segregation. It appears that even the jail administration thought he should get out and mingle. But he stuck to his guns to keep his "private" cell. (No pun intended)

I hope he gets to spend some time mingling in GP with a nice roomate to keep him company when he gets to prison.

MOO

 

[EspressoBean]

When someone has been in jail for 3 years they get open visits from family members. Most people who go to jail aren't there for very long and it would not be considered to be cruel and unusual punishment to deny open visits. But for anyone there more than 6 months, any lawyer worth his salt is going to get open visits for family members.

That's an interesting thought. DO you have a source for this?
But if this is actually accurate, the letters that are being talked about that were said to be sent through MB happened during the first 6 months of his time in jail so that is the question being asked about how she exchanged the letters

 

[Sillybilly]

The glass wall/telephone thing is a tv/movie cliche...

Not at all. In fact, when reporter Molly Hayes did her interview with DM at the Barton Street jail, it was glass and telephone:

from:
http://www.thespec.com/news-story/4075078-exclusive-jail-visits-with-bosma-s-accused-killers/

Millard stood tall behind the glass during the brief visit; his orange coveralls zipped up all the way, with the sleeves rolled halfway up his arms.

His blondish-brown hair is cut shorter now than in many of the older photos frequently published in the media. He has a five o'clock shadow.

He is calm, friendly — looks his visitor square in the eyes, speaking on a black telephone attached to the glass window separating inmates and visitors. In this private room, there are no other visits taking place.

"I want to talk to you…but I just can't," Millard said, putting down the phone and signalling to the guard outside the door that the visit was over.