Bosma Murder Trial 04.28.16 - Day 42

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 4s5 seconds ago
She says she wasn't either. Leitch asks if Millard made calls from her phone. She says he asked to use it on their way back to TO. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 53s53 seconds ago
After they left Waterloo, she says Millard asked to use her phone. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 43s43 seconds ago
"Are you sure about that?" Leitch asks. She says she is. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 33s33 seconds ago
But Millard did ask to use her phone on the way back from Waterloo that night, she says. #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 33s33 seconds ago Toronto, Ontario
Within 1st few minutes of testimony Noudga has already said 'I don't know' 'I don't recall' 'Not to my recollection' 'I have no idea' #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 11s12 seconds ago
Again, Noudga's memory seems to be spotty. #Bosma

 

[loveisthemovement]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 4s5 seconds ago
She says she wasn't either. Leitch asks if Millard made calls from her phone. She says he asked to use it on their way back to TO. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 53s53 seconds ago
After they left Waterloo, she says Millard asked to use her phone. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 43s43 seconds ago
"Are you sure about that?" Leitch asks. She says she is. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 33s33 seconds ago
But Millard did ask to use her phone on the way back from Waterloo that night, she says. #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 33s33 seconds ago Toronto, Ontario
Within 1st few minutes of testimony Noudga has already said 'I don't know' 'I don't recall' 'Not to my recollection' 'I have no idea' #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 11s12 seconds ago
Again, Noudga's memory seems to be spotty. #Bosma

I love you Shannon Martin.

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 26s27 seconds ago
Now seeing phone records that show several calls from her phone that night. Several are to Hagerman around 11:30pm. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 29s30 seconds ago
Looking at Noudga's call log from May 9, 2013. #TimBosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 17s17 seconds ago
Now seeing her cell phone call record. Starts at 10:18 p.m. She left vm for Millard. Leitch explaining to Noudga how to read the record.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 38s38 seconds ago
Leitch asks if she recalls getting a voicemail from Millard that night at 10:18. She says no. Says it was probably him saying he was outside

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 19s19 seconds ago
Leitch asks if this is a memory or if she's constructing things from what he's showing her. The latter, she says. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 13s13 seconds ago
Noudga suggests after looking at call log that #Millard waited outside her house for 20 minutes before she came out.

 

[meterclicks]

Now seeing Noudga's phone records. There are 5 calls to Matt Hagerman on the night of May 9 and one to Madeleine Burns.
by Adam Carter 10:18 AM

Millard left her a voicemail that evening, but she says she doesn't remember what it said. Thinks it might have been telling her he's there.
by Adam Carter 10:18 AM

The calls to Hagerman are starting around 11:30 p.m. Noudga says she didn't talk to Hagerman. So who made those phonecalls then?" Leitch asks. "Dellen," she says.
by Adam Carter 10:20 AM

 

[Ontario Mom]

Funny thing, the memory. Especially when it doesn't line up with completely impartial cell phone usage/ping data. Or, when you're lying your face off. Either way.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 29s29 seconds ago
She says it is Millard calling her to come out of her house because he was there to get her...5 calls from her phone to Hagerman phone.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 22s22 seconds ago
Crown showing her phone records, there were a series of five calls from Noudga's phone to Matt Hagerman. She can't recall making them.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 19s19 seconds ago
She says it's not a memory, she's constructing the scenario based on the information she's being shown.

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 40s41 seconds ago Toronto, Ontario
Crown is now showing us Noudga's phone records from May 9, 2013. Five phone calls to Matt Hagerman in 2 hrs #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 37s38 seconds ago
She says she did not make those calls to Hagerman. Millard did. She was present. Agrees this was on the way to Waterloo. #Bosma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 35s36 seconds ago
Jury seeing calls/texts DM and CN made that night. Her phone is used to call hagerman several times

 

[SnooperDuper]

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
She says Millard made the calls on the drive to Waterloo when she said she was performing the sexual act. #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 56s57 seconds ago Toronto, Ontario
Noudga says Dellen Millard made the calls, she didn't. #Bosma #TimBosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 54s55 seconds ago
There are calls to Hagerman. They would have been made during drive to Waterloo. Was #Millard talking on phone during sexual act? No

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 52s53 seconds ago
She says "Dellen" made those phone calls to Hagerman on the drive to Waterloo. "You told us yesterday there was a sexual act on the drive to

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Leitch asks if Millard was talking on the phone during the sexual act she referenced yesterday. "No," she says. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
Noudga says he wasn't on the phone during the sexual act. #Bosma

 

[SnooperDuper]

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 1m1 minute ago
Text and phone records show several calls to hagerman during drive to waterloo. When Nougda says she and DM were doing sex act. @AM900CHML

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
Waterloo," says Leitch. "Was he talking on the phone during that sexual act?" She says no.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
Noudga says she didn't talk to Hagerman, she did overhear #Millard talking to him. Crown Tony Leitch listing all the calls during the drive

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 1m1 minute ago
Crown asks

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 54s55 seconds ago
Leitch highlights that there are several more calls to and from Matt Hagerman during that time. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
She was in the car with Millard, but she can't recall if he spoke to Matt Hagerman. #Bosma

 

[DeepWoodsOff]

Now seeing Noudga's phone records. There are 5 calls to Matt Hagerman on the night of May 9 and one to Madeleine Burns.
by Adam Carter 10:18 AM

Millard left her a voicemail that evening, but she says she doesn't remember what it said. Thinks it might have been telling her he's there.
by Adam Carter 10:18 AM

The calls to Hagerman are starting around 11:30 p.m. Noudga says she didn't talk to Hagerman. So who made those phonecalls then?" Leitch asks. "Dellen," she says.
by Adam Carter 10:20 AM

BBM.... But she said DM didn't make any calls between his mom's house and the hangar. Starting to trip on her own testimony? MOO

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
She says she doesn't recall if there were phone calls from Kleinburg to highway. Sexual act started on the highway she says. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
Was he talking to Mr Hagerman? I don't recall, but we didn't start sexual activity until we got on the highway. When the act ceased...

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 58s59 seconds ago
There were 15-20 minutes to go. #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Leitch: so your memory is you lent him your phone on the way back from the hangar. Is your memory correct?
Noudga: yeah?

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 1m1 minute ago Toronto, Ontario
Crown: Is your memory correct? Noudga: Um, yeah? #TimBosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Those calls were just seconds long. "We didn't start any sexual activity until we got onto the highway."

 

[meterclicks]

Noudga agrees these calls were made on the drive to Waterloo -- when she said yesterday she was performing a sexual act on Millard. "Was he talking on the phone during that?" Leitch asks. "No," she says.
by Adam Carter 10:21 AM

She doesn't recall the phone calls, and says she didn't start the sex act until they were on the highway. She says she gave Millard her phone on the way back to Toronto -- which doesn't match up with her phone records.
by Adam Carter 10:23 AM

"I know I gave him my phone, but I don't know if he made a call or a text," Noudga says. "All the texts are here too, ma'am," Leitch says.
by Adam Carter 10:25 AM

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Leitch says this timeline is on the way to the hangar. She doesn't recall lending it to him for these calls. #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 2m2 minutes ago Toronto, Ontario
But again, she doesn't recall #Bosma #TimBosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 2m2 minutes ago
Her memory is that she lent him her phone on the way to the hangar. But these calls on the way back from Waterloo, she can't recall. #Bosma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 2m2 minutes ago
9 calls to hageman. Crown asks if she made the calls. No. She says. Was DM calling during the sex act? No. She stumbles. @AM900CHML

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
"I know 100 per cent I gave him the phone," she says, but Leitch says her memory does not match the phone record.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
TL: Is your memory correct? CN: Uh, yes? Crown is trying to show her the timing of phone calls doesn't fit her scenario

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Leitch tells her to look at the phone records. She gets 3 texts around 3:43am. He takes her back to the 'ping' report. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Those come in when she's in the Milton area, on their way back from the hangar. #Bosma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 2m2 minutes ago
There r also other texts and calls on her phone during the time she claims they were doing sex acts. @AM900CHML

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Leitch says there are no phone calls btwn the final 11:52pm call to Hagerman and those texts. She agrees no. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
Between 11:52pm May 9, and 3:43 am May 10, there are no calls.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
The map shows her phone was in Milton at 343 am may 9 2013. She says she still can't remember if there were calls or texts. #Bosma

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
"It doesn't assist with my memory. I know I gave him my phone, maybe he made texts." Leitch says that would show here, mam'm. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
(The 3 texts at 3:43am are incoming not outgoing). #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 54s55 seconds ago
Leitch asks again if this assists her memory. She insists she did give him her phone on the way back from the hangar. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 28s29 seconds ago
But the only phone calls are 9 calls between 11:28-11:52pm, Leitch says. He asks if she lent him her phone more than once. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 26s27 seconds ago
"I know I gave him my phone, I don't know if he made a call or a text." Nothing in record during the time she says Millard used her phone.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 51s51 seconds ago
I did give him my phone, on the way from Waterloo, Noudga says. The 9 calls on her phone from 11:28-11:52? Lend your phone >1x?

 

[meterclicks]

What the Crown is attempting to do here is show that what she's saying about when she gave Millard her phone doesn't sync up with her phone records.
by Adam Carter 10:26 AM

She says she "may" have given Millard her phone more than once that night, but she doesn't remember.
by Adam Carter 10:26 AM

"You were in a position to hear those nine phone calls ... and you have no recollection of what was said?" Leitch says. "No recollection of exact words or phrasing, no."
by Adam Carter 10:27 AM

She was sitting next to Millard at the time.
by Adam Carter 10:27 AM

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
"I may have," she says. Leitch asks if she really remembers. "No," she says. #Bosma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 1m1 minute ago
Texts being sent from her phone 343 am From milton http://area.Crown wants to know who is making calls/texts. @AM900CHML

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 55s56 seconds ago Toronto, Ontario
Crown: Did you lend him your phone more than once that night? Noudga: I may have. Crown: Do you remember m'am? Noudga: No #Bosma #TimBosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
There were 9 calls on her phone that night and she says she can't remember lending her phone to Millard or seeing him on the phone. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 57s58 seconds ago
Do you really remember ma'am? Not really, no. #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 55s56 seconds ago
She does not remember hearing him talking to anyone. She would've been in a position to hear those 9 calls, she says. #Bosma

 

[Ontario Mom]

So, if DM had his phone with him, why is he borrowing her phone to make calls or texts? This makes no sense to me.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 33s34 seconds ago Toronto, Ontario
Crown: You were in a position to hear those 9 phone calls, and you have no recollection of the conversations? Noudga: No #Bosma #TimBosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
She was in position to hear those nine phone calls. She doesn't remember what was said. #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
She says she has no recollection of the "exact words or phrasing." Leitch asks what she does remember. She remembers lending him the phone.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
She also can't remember what Millard said, even though now she says she lent him the phone during the drive. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 52s52 seconds ago
"I don't recall," she says (re: calls to Hagerman). #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 52s52 seconds ago
Now says she doesn't remember. She doesn't remember hearing anything about those phone calls although she was sitting in car with Millard.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
"You're sitting beside him in the passenger seat. What did #Millard say to Hagerman?" CN - I don't recall. #TimBosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 54s55 seconds ago Toronto, Ontario
9 phone calls to Millard's friend Matt Hagerman. She's sitting in the passenger seat. She 'does not recall' anything that was said #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 36s37 seconds ago
Leitch goes back to her phone records. There is an incoming 7 second voicemail from Madeleine Burns to her phone at 11:37pm. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 50s51 seconds ago
She doesn't remember checking that voicemail or what it said. Doesn't remember any contact with her during the drive. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 46s47 seconds ago
Madeleine Burns (#Millard mom) left Noudga a voicemail 11:46pm. Noudga doesn't remember anything about it. #TimBosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 44s45 seconds ago
11:37 pm Madeleine Burns leaves message on Noudga's phone. Noudga says she doesn't remember it.

 

[meterclicks]

Leitch asks her what Millard said to Hagerman, and she says "I don't recall," with a little laugh.
by Adam Carter 10:28 AM

There's also a voicemail left on her phone from Millard's mother at this time. She says she doesn't remember what was on it.
by Adam Carter 10:29 AM

"After the barn, we headed straight back towards Toronto," Noudga says, saying they didn't stop anywhere.
by Adam Carter 10:31 AM