Bosma Murder Trial 04.28.16 - Day 42

[SnooperDuper]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 3m3 minutes ago
She doesn't remember using flashlight. Flashlight found on Eliminator. Leitch is testing her memory. She's all over the place.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 3m3 minutes ago
How did you see to do the hookup? I guess you would use a flashlight. Noudga laughs. Leitch needs her memory. No memory of flashlight.

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 3m3 minutes ago Toronto, Ontario
Crown is zeroing in on Noudga helping Millard move the Eliminator, in the middle of the night. #Bosma #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 3m3 minutes ago
She does remember towing it out of the barn, into the woods. It was driven forward, not backed in. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 3m3 minutes ago
She can't remember using the flashlight when she and Millard moved the incinerator from the barn to the woods at the farm. #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 3m3 minutes ago Toronto, Ontario
Crown showed her a photo yesterday of The Eliminator, there's a flashlight evident. Noudga doesn't remember if she used it. #Bosma #TimBosma

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 3m3 minutes ago
Leitch asks if she'd like to see the photo again of the wooded area where it was found. She says she knows where it was placed. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 3m3 minutes ago
Leitch asking for details about how Eliminator was driven into the woods. Looking at photo jury and Noudga have seen before. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
Noudga is describing how she and #Millard backed up to top floor of barn, hooked up eliminator, drove 80m (or so) to trees to drop it.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 2m2 minutes ago
She's also fuzzy on exactly how she and Millard got the incinerator into the path in the woods. Leitch is showing her pictures. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
He brings up the photo. It's in the middle of trees. He asks where the truck would drive if pulling in (vs backing in). #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
There is a path; the truck unhooked the incinerator and then continued on the path - it didn't have to reverse back out.

 

[mozzagirl]

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 3m3 minutes ago
Nougda is realizing she is cornered. Her I don't knows are catching up. @AM900CHML

BBM. Good! Let her sweat a little because her time on the stand has only just begun!

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
She agrees the vehicle drove up the path then continued out after unhooking incinerator trailer. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 2m2 minutes ago
Noudga says they drove forward, unhooked the eliminator, then drove out of there. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
She asks if they knew where they were going after they left the farm. She says back to Maplegate. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Leitch asks how she knew. She said because they were going to TO. Didn't ask questions. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 2m2 minutes ago
Noudga says they left towards what she assumed was Millard's house. They never discussed where they were going. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
When u left farm did u know where u were going? She assumed they were going to Maplegate. She never asked. They stopped at Hagerman's.

 

[Velma]

CN has the worst case of CRS I've ever seen.

Can't Recall Syndrome?

 

[SnooperDuper]

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
Did she ask what was happening next, or where they were going? She just assumed they were going to Maple Gate. They stopped at Hagerman's

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 2m2 minutes ago
They stopped at Matt Hagerman's. She had never been there before. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Didn't go directly there though. "We stopped off at Matt Hagerman's," she says. Says Millard mentioned it on drive on way there. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
She may have been there before. Outside the Hagerman house not inside. How long did they stop there? Half hour. #Millard had sth to drop off

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 2m2 minutes ago
Nougdas times are wildly off. She is being challenged. She initially said she was at barn 12:10 am. Now it's 2 am. @AM900CHML

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
Millard said "We're going to stop by Hagerman's." She knew for 30 mins they were going there. Millard said they were dropping something off.

 

[meterclicks]

She says she stayed in the vehicle when they got to Hagerman's. Leitch asks her if she would reread her statement to police.
by Adam Carter 10:41 AM

She again says she didn't talk to Hagerman. "Are we reading the same thing?" Leitch says.
by Adam Carter 10:42 AM

She says there's a mistake in her transcript, and she didn't speak to him. "I may have waved, but I didn't speak to him," she says.
by Adam Carter 10:43 AM

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
"He said he had to drop something off," she says. Leitch asks if it was brought up during 9 calls to Hagerman. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
She says no. She doesn't remember phone calls. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 2m2 minutes ago
It's when the crown alleges Millard gave Hagerman a locked toolbox containing the alleged murder weapon. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 3m3 minutes ago
"He didn't go into detail. I don't remember what the phone call was about. I don't remember there being a phone call." #TimBosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 2m2 minutes ago Toronto, Ontario
'All the timeframes are really big estimates. I'm so sorry' Noudga says with a half smile #TimBosma #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
They get to Hagerman's house and she just stays in the car. Didn't talk to Hagerman. #Bosma

 

[ArianeEmory]

 

[SnooperDuper]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
She says she didn't know what they were dropping off. She didn't ask and didn't hear from phone calls. Once there, she stayed in car.

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 3m3 minutes ago
Initially said they drove straight back to Toronto. Now saying they stopped at matt hagermans house. DM had to drop something off.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 3m3 minutes ago
Leitch asks if it would refresh her memory to look at her statement about whether she talked to him. "Ok," she says. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 3m3 minutes ago
Noudga stayed in the car when #Millard went to see Hagerman. Or not. She's looking at her police statement to remember. #TimBosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 3m3 minutes ago
Noudga says she can't recall milled talking about a drop off on the phone. #Bosma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 2m2 minutes ago
Nougda doesn't remember. Didn't ask. Now being shown what she told police. @AM900CHML #timbosma

 

[meterclicks]

She says Millard got out of the vehicle with a toolbox and talked to Hagerman and gave it to him.
by Adam Carter 10:44 AM

She originally referred to the toolbox as a "fishing box." She says it was black and yellow, and thought it had "drugs or something in it."
by Adam Carter 10:44 AM

She says Millard and Hagerman "laughed and giggled" when they were talking, but she didn't hear what they were talking about.
by Adam Carter 10:45 AM

 

[SnooperDuper]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 3m3 minutes ago
She says she didn't talk to Hagerman. Leitch wants her to look at her statement to Hamilton Det. Greg Rodzoniak. #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 2m2 minutes ago Toronto, Ontario
Crown has now given Noudga her police statement, to once again, attempt to jog her memory #Bosma #TimBosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 2m2 minutes ago Toronto, Ontario
Crown: Are we reading the same thing?

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Noudga says there's a mistake in her transcript. She didn't. She stayed in the car. "I may have waved but i didn't speak to him." #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 2m2 minutes ago Toronto, Ontario
Noudga is now saying she did NOT talk to Hagerman, even though her police statement says otherwise #Bosma #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
"You didn't say hi to him?" Leitch presses. Pillay objects. He says he'll move on. #Bosma

 

[SnooperDuper]

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 2m2 minutes ago
Noudga says she didn't talk to Matt Hagerman. She says there's a mistake her police transcript and she didn't say "hi" to him. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
Noudga says there is a mistake in her transcript. She didn't say hi to Hagerman, like she said before. Maybe she waved from car. #TimBosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
She says there is a mistake in the transcript which says she waved and said "hi." She says she was in car, windows up, didn't get out.

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 2m2 minutes ago
Asked again if she talked to Hagerman. She says no. Her statement says she said hi. Crown challenges. Defence objects. @AM900CHML

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
She says she was basically falling asleep on the way back. She recalls Millard got out and gave him a fishing box. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
"Well it's just a box I don't know if it's a toolbox, a fishing box," she says. #Bosma

 

[SnooperDuper]

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 2m2 minutes ago Toronto, Ontario
Noudga watched Millard hand Hagerman 'a fishing box, or a toolbox - a box you put things inside' #Bosma #TimBosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
#Millard got out of the vehicle with the toolbox, talked to him for a bit, then we went back to Maple Gate. #TimBosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 2m2 minutes ago
Noudga says Millard and Hagerman talked and Millard gave Hagerman a toolbox and then got back in the car. #TimBosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 2m2 minutes ago Toronto, Ontario
She assumed there was drugs inside #Bosma #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
She says it was black. Yellow. She thought it was a box with drugs inside. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Leitch asks where Millard had taken it from. "From within the Yukon," she says. Doesn't recall exactly where. #Bosma

 

[SnooperDuper]

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
What did you think it was? A fishing box with drugs in it. It was black. Any other colours? It was yellow. She saw him take it from Yukon

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
Millard got out of vehicle "with fishing box, a toolbox is how it's been referred to."

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 3m3 minutes ago
Says DM gave hagarmen a toolbox. Or fishing box. Says it was likely full of drugs. Says the men speak. Laugh. Giggle. Part ways. @AM900CHML

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 3m3 minutes ago
She says the box was either a toolbox or fishing box and was back and yellow. Millard and Hagerman spoke for a bit, laughed. #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 3m3 minutes ago
"He approached Matt, spoke to him a bit. They laughed, giggled. Matt went into the house and he got back in the car." #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
At time she thought it was black/yellow fishing box with drugs. Says Millard got out, gave it to "Matt," they "laughed, giggled."

 

[SnooperDuper]

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 2m2 minutes ago Toronto, Ontario
When Millard handed Hagerman the toolbox, they 'laughed, giggled.' #Bosma #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 3m3 minutes ago
She says this is now 4/4:30am. "It wasn't unusual to have a late night with him," she says. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 3m3 minutes ago
"He spoke to Matt, they laughed, giggled." She couldn't hear what they were saying. It was about 4:30am. Not unusual to be up late #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 3m3 minutes ago
Leitch says he means about the toolbox. She says she was too exhausted to really think about it. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 2m2 minutes ago
Noudga says she couldn't hear and didn't find it unusual that Millard was giving Hagerman a toolbox at 4am. #TimBosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 2m2 minutes ago Toronto, Ontario
Crown: Did Mr. Millard tell you what was in the box? Noudga: No. #TimBosma #Bosma

 

[meterclicks]

She says she was "too exhausted" to think anything was odd about what was going on.
by Adam Carter 10:46 AM

She says Millard didn't tell her what was in the box, and they didn't talk about it at all.
by Adam Carter 10:46 AM

Of note: When Hagerman testified about this, he was crying through most of it.
by Adam Carter 10:47 AM

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 3m3 minutes ago
Leitch asks if she thought it was drugs at the time he gave it to Hagerman. She says she thought of that later. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
It was her assumption that drugs were in the box. A later assumption. She never asked #Millard what was in the box.

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 2m2 minutes ago
Says she had never seen DM do that. She was too tired to ask. Didn't ask DM. And he didn't tell her what it was..@AM900CHML

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 2m2 minutes ago
She says she thought the box contained drugs, but she never discussed what was in the box with Millard, nor did she know it was there.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 3m3 minutes ago
Later she thought drugs might be in box. She never discussed it with Millard. "I wasn't specifically told there was a box" on way to Matt's.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 3m3 minutes ago
She didn't know there was a box before they got there, she says he didn't specifically reference it. #Bosma

 

[meterclicks]

Noudga says they got back to Millard's Maplegate home between 4 a.m. and 5 a.m. She says "we made love in bed ... and then fell asleep."
by Adam Carter 10:48 AM

She says she was falling asleep on the way back home, so they didn't talk about the toolbox. "A bit of a resurgence when you got home?" Leitch says.
by Adam Carter 10:49 AM

"We became intimate in the morning again, sleepily so," she says.
by Adam Carter 10:49 AM

She says Millard got up around dawn and left.
by Adam Carter 10:50 AM

 

[Massasauga Rattler]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Leitch tells her to look at the phone records. She gets 3 texts around 3:43am. He takes her back to the 'ping' report. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Those come in when she's in the Milton area, on their way back from the hangar. #Bosma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 2m2 minutes ago
There r also other texts and calls on her phone during the time she claims they were doing sex acts. @AM900CHML

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Leitch says there are no phone calls btwn the final 11:52pm call to Hagerman and those texts. She agrees no. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
Between 11:52pm May 9, and 3:43 am May 10, there are no calls.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
The map shows her phone was in Milton at 343 am may 9 2013. She says she still can't remember if there were calls or texts. #Bosma

Thought she rehearsed all this with her lawyer? Did they forget about the cell phone records?