Bosma Murder Trial 04.28.16 - Day 42

[CJPRINCESS]

The next day she wrote him,

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews Apr 19
1:08pm rabbit says "Hi Lam.... Winnie the poo's got his bum stuck in my warren... lol should I be looking for antlers to decorate???"

So after a night of tears and wine, she got all cute.

Ya all cute, maybe still drunk and forgot he was in jail?!
Or maybe she thought he still had his phone and asked "should I get rid of the trailer" in her stupid lingo? Maybe the reason why the make of her car keeps coming up?
MOO

ETA: guess those texts were on the 10th, not the 11th.

May 101:08 pmM. Burns texts Millard: "Hi Lam ... Winnie the poo's got his bum stuck in my warren ..." (1/2)Day 37: Harrison testimony

May 101:08 pmM. Burns texts Millard: "...lol should I be looking for antlers to decorate??

 

[billandrew]

The tweet says it was sent at 1 pm and the trailer wasn't there at MB's at 1 pm on the 10th. Has to be (typo) 1 am or the next day.

Do you have the dates mixed up? The trailer was dropped off on the evening of the 9th. Millard was arrested the following evening (the 10th).

 

[Massasauga Rattler]

Although I do not give MB a total pass, I do deeply believe there is nothing like a mother's love for her child, no greater instinct to protect, no matter what. I have no idea (and of course, i'm sure just as MB was, that my child would never commit murder) what i would do in a situation like this. I for sure would not want to believe what I was hearing on the news, and from CN, and I can see trying to come up with every scenario in my mind where my child was innocent and caught up all by some extreme unfortunate set of events. I hope that I would do the right thing, as sometimes as tuff as that may be concerning your child...it does equal love.

That being said it sure seems like they both went into cover mode really fast. Also if I thought there was possibly a missing man in a trailer in my driveway, I do think I would contact the lawyer, if not the police directly and have someone come immediately to check the trailer. If there was any chance there was a live man bound inside and I could possibly save him.....which would equal saving my child from murder charges. So this tells me they were positive Tim was not inside...

great post!

 

[SnooperDuper]

Do you have the dates mixed up? The trailer was dropped off on the evening of the 9th. Millard was arrested the following evening (the 10th).

Yes I do!

 

[deugirtni]

And yet another good catch. This was the 'baby talk' text, right?

I'm not sure what you mean by 'baby talk'.. but the one where she talks about the bum being stuck in her warren? Yes that one. And.. 'why the rush last night'.. and just general enquiring about why is the truck at her house. I believe that in yesterday's testimony, CN made it clear that MB was in fact home at the time.

 

[Inspector_North]

The tweet says it was sent at 1 pm and the trailer wasn't there at MB's at 1 pm on the 10th. Has to be (typo) 1 am or the next day.

ETA: 1 am would be the next day too.

It was there late on the 9th. We just went through that, it must be a mistake. We watched the video of the truck pulling it on the 9th.

 

[mozzagirl]

Today's testimony is making my heart hurt so much for the Bosmas. So much.

 

[RandomName479]

Nope, initially she was a victim but she crossed the line into covering for a murderer, which makes her something else, IMO.

This. A victim does not worry about wiping their print off a crime scene. A victim doesn't collude to get power of attorney to get control of assets ASAP. A victim doesn't allow a trailer with a potentially missing person in it sit in their driveway without altering authorities. IMO the only reason she isn't up on obstruction charges is because she was smart enough to get CN to do the actual wiping off of prints. Disgusting. MOO

 

[Massasauga Rattler]

At around 4:30 pm today this is going to be a tough, "To Be Continued Next Week", cliff hanger.

 

[DeepWoodsOff]

Rightfully or wrongfully....my brain is starting to wonder if MB was somehow involved in WM's demise or at least knew what was in the works. MOO

 

[mozzagirl]

Can someone give an example of how CN being a hostile witness will open the floor for the Crown? What's a possible "leading question" that they will be able to ask? TIA.

My guess is instead of saying "What date did you find out about the no contact order?" They can instead ask "In your notes dated *date*, you wrote you were aware of a no contact order and you still sent letters after that? It that correct?"

 

[deugirtni]

Can someone give an example of how CN being a hostile witness will open the floor for the Crown? What's a possible "leading question" that they will be able to ask? TIA.

When TL first made that request, and then jury came back... the things he said to her.. I guess he would not have been allowed to ask those questions directly. He had been asking HER for info, and then telling her to refer to her notes, when she had been unable to remember.. and yet even THEN, she was not saying everything that was in the notes. And TL's hands were tied, because SHE has to say these things in her own words on the stand. So when she failed to, repeatedly, he requested her to be considered a hostile witness, so that he could ask her directly whatever it was she was failing to disclose. Now he has done it again, so I am wondering if he must do this each time he asks and she doesn't come forth with the 'whole truth'? moo

 

[Nosey Parker]

My guess is instead of saying "What date did you find out about the no contact order?" They can instead ask "In your notes dated *date*, you wrote you were aware of a no contact order and you still sent letters after that? It that correct?"

I agree. I believe it allows for a much more aggressive line of questioning and challenging. IMO

ETA: and with a hostile witness maybe the Crown doesn't have to keep applying to the judge?

 

[Ontario Mom]

She knew he was in jail at this point too and was texting him still. My mind is so blown by all these "people".

No, he wasn't in jail yet. DM and CN dropped the trailer off there late at night and mommy's texts & calls were during the day the next day, before he was arrested. It was that night, she bailed out with CN to the motel for a night of drinking wine and crying and brainstorming about wiping down the trailer.

 

[Inspector_North]

Although I do not give MB a total pass, I do deeply believe there is nothing like a mother's love for her child, no greater instinct to protect, no matter what. I have no idea (and of course, i'm sure just as MB was, that my child would never commit murder) what i would do in a situation like this. I for sure would not want to believe what I was hearing on the news, and from CN, and I can see trying to come up with every scenario in my mind where my child was innocent and caught up all by some extreme unfortunate set of events. I hope that I would do the right thing, as sometimes as tuff as that may be concerning your child...it does equal love.

That being said it sure seems like they both went into cover mode really fast. Also if I thought there was possibly a missing man in a trailer in my driveway, I do think I would contact the lawyer, if not the police directly and have someone come immediately to check the trailer. If there was any chance there was a live man bound inside and I could possibly save him.....which would equal saving my child from murder charges. So this tells me they were positive Tim was not inside...

In that case the whole lot of them are a bunch of mothers! They all went into protective mode for their precious Dellen the Melon.

<modsnip> MOO

 

[meterclicks]

Can someone give an example of how CN being a hostile witness will open the floor for the Crown? What's a possible "leading question" that they will be able to ask? TIA.

I'm making this up. So say a statement (any of them) she gave to police had said she was at home watching the leafs game at 8pm on May 10th -

Leitch says "Where were you on May 10th?" She could say at home. Because she was there at some point but she's not offering up when. It's open ended. She could have been multiple places and only chose to say one.

So instead he could say "You were at home on May 10th at 8pm watching the leafs game, correct?"

 

[palisadesk]

When TL first made that request, and then jury came back... the things he said to her.. I guess he would not have been allowed to ask those questions directly. He had been asking HER for info, and then telling her to refer to her notes, when she had been unable to remember.. and yet even THEN, she was not saying everything that was in the notes. And TL's hands were tied, because SHE has to say these things in her own words on the stand. So when she failed to, repeatedly, he requested her to be considered a hostile witness, so that he could ask her directly whatever it was she was failing to disclose. Now he has done it again, so I am wondering if he must do this each time he asks and she doesn't come forth with the 'whole truth'? moo

The first time, he was asking for the judge to allow him to ask leading questions without having her declared a hostile witness (which she hadn't been). But now that the same problem has re-occurred, he is asking for her to be declared a hostile witness (if the tweets were accurate in reporting precisely what was requested). If the judge declares her to be a hostile witness, TL will be permitted to ask her leading questions from now on, without asking for permission each time.

More on adverse and hostile witnesses here:
https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Canadian_Criminal_Evidence/Credibility/Adverse_and_Hostile_Witnesses

 

[Inspector_North]

I'm making this up. So say a statement (any of them) she gave to police had said she was at home watching the leafs game at 8pm on May 10th -

Leitch says "Where were you on May 10th?" She could say at home. Because she was there at some point but she's not offering up when. It's open ended. She could have been multiple places and only chose to say one.

So instead he could say "You were at home on May 10th at 8pm watching the leafs game, correct?"

Exactly! Makes her commit to something specific to counter. Or to deny explicitly, instead of just not remembering.

 

[Nosey Parker]

I'm making this up. So say a statement (any of them) she gave to police had said she was at home watching the leafs game at 8pm on May 10th -

Leitch says "Where were you on May 10th?" She could say at home. Because she was there at some point but she's not offering up when. It's open ended. She could have been multiple places and only chose to say one.

So instead he could say "You were at home on May 10th at 8pm watching the leafs game, correct?"

Exactly - it turns into a cross-examination IMO

 

[Lochlynsmom]

So I am thinking it was CN that let MS know DM was arrested and to get the drugs out of the house. I also think she let AM and MH know what was going on. She was friends with both of them before DM and maybe felt some loyalty. Was the plan to hand everything over to MS to protect themselves and claim it was his idea to take everything? MH wouldn't id CN as being in the truck but info on the stand was she said "hi" and now denies it. Did AM admit to 2 phone calls from CN?