Bosma Murder Trial 04.28.16 - Day 42

[ArianeEmory]

Still doesn't make any sense to me. It wasn't MS's to give, as it already belonged to DM. Clearly I'm missing some nuance. Or, DM is a blithering idiot.

I think it's more that he thinks everyone else is an idiot. "If I say it's Mark's toolbox, people will believe me."

 

[paris_paris]

After hearing more details about the day of May 9th... what is meant in this article from when CN was arrested?

Leitch said the charge against Noudga relates to an allegation that she tried to help Millard "escape" on May 9, 2013.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/news/christina-noudga-court-appearance-brings-tim-bosma-s-wife-to-tears-1.2606566

 

[hellkat2]

Her trial is coming up this fall. But any information she wanted to spill at that point would not have value anymore for her accessory charge and would not be something that could gain her any type of plea bargain. moo

I have heard that these kinds of things are up to the judge. That if she did come up with something that would give more closure to the victims....that the judge might allow it as part of a reduced sentence for her. Not sure what that would be . But have heard of this happening. example.....there was a case where the murderer said he would tell the family where the body was for a reduced sentence....can't remember but it may have been to have his sentence reduced from first degree to something else.

 

[Inspector_North]

"And treacherous Mark; got himself charged by trying to put it on me. These are the most lethal pieces currently played against me. Anyways, I'm absorbing it all; learning. Strategizing, evolving. I've had a lot of time for self reflection ... there are many things I would do differently."

Do we know what he meant by MS got himself charged by trying to put it on DM? I am not aware of anything MS did to get himself charged after DM was arrested. I thought it was the great work LE did collecting information around the time of the murder?

 

[mozzagirl]

Still doesn't make any sense to me. It wasn't MS's to give, as it already belonged to DM. Clearly I'm missing some nuance. Or, DM is a blithering idiot.

When in doubt, option B. lol.

 

[ArianeEmory]

After hearing more details about the day of May 9th... what is meant in this article from when CN was arrested?

Leitch said the charge against Noudga relates to an allegation that she tried to help Millard "escape" on May 9, 2013.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/news/christina-noudga-court-appearance-brings-tim-bosma-s-wife-to-tears-1.2606566

Not a lawyer, but I've always interpreted that as escaping justice / detection, not literal escape. I'm basing that on nothing but my own assumptions, though, and the fact that we never had much indication DM was trying to GO anywhere, at least not on the 9th.

 

[matou]

Noudga also wrote to Millard — but those letters were not recovered by police. Only unsent drafts were found in the search of her bedroom. The jury heard she also sent him sexy photos of herself as well as a paw print from his beloved dog, Pedo.

She said she would send notes (and receive his) through his mother, Madeleine Burns.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/6519142-bosma-trial-millard-wanted-roommate-to-change-his-story/

I wonder if there is anything useful to this case or the others in her "draft" letters?

 

[Boudica]

I think it's too late for any type of a plea bargain for CN. She had her chance to come clean and didn't. Hence the charges.

 

[mimimic]

Still doesn't make any sense to me. It wasn't MS's to give, as it already belonged to DM. Clearly I'm missing some nuance. Or, DM is a blithering idiot.

Well if i borrowed your book, i would have to give it back.

 

[mozzagirl]

I respected AM a lot through this testimony and today solidified that respect. Especially in DM's letter that he said he protected AM by not telling him anything. So to those that said AM *did* know more and was holding it back I hope that puts some clarity to the fact that he really didn't know any more than he said in court.

Once he walked in showing his face and apparently even sat in the hallway outside the court room to wait, I just had a feeling he would be honest. He was behaving as someone would who has nothing left to hide. Maybe the charges he was threatened with scared him straight and showed him the right path again in life.

All, MOO

 

[matou]

Who leaves 6 grand lying around the house, BTW? but leaves a pound of weed?

 

[ArianeEmory]

Who leaves 6 grand lying around the house, BTW?

Someone who has a pound of marijuana around, is my best guess.

To be fair, he also obviously had some access to cash--withdrew $3000 on arrest day, right? He was just stingy with his friends.

 

[hellkat2]

YES, TB is still missing at this point and they knew it!!!!!
Go to the police,
Call Crimestoppers
but no, they are worried about finger prints.

Mama B and CN.....get ready for it, KARMA will hit you HUGE!!!!!

Would it be the copious amounts of wine they were drinking that caused them such a lapse in moral judgment? No accountability for their actions as it pertains to the Bosmas. Only accountable to DM and as it pertains to their cash cow.

 

[EspressoBean]

Noudga also wrote to Millard — but those letters were not recovered by police. Only unsent drafts were found in the search of her bedroom. The jury heard she also sent him sexy photos of herself as well as a paw print from his beloved dog, Pedo.

She said she would send notes (and receive his) through his mother, Madeleine Burns.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/6519142-bosma-trial-millard-wanted-roommate-to-change-his-story/

I wonder if there is anything useful to this case or the others in her "draft" letters?

It's not clear yet if they will be entered as evidence but she was asked to read or refer to her writings more than once today. It was said that she kept notes about details of texts and calls after he was arrested. So yes. They contain useful information. The letters she had written that were found in her room, she denied them being "drafts". She claimed them to be letters she wrote but didn't send and she wrote new letters that did not contain the same information as the "unsent letters" found in her room.

 

[hellkat2]

I respected AM a lot through this testimony and today solidified that respect. Especially in DM's letter that he said he protected AM by not telling him anything. So to those that said AM *did* know more and was holding it back I hope that puts some clarity to the fact that he really didn't know any more than he said in court.

Once he walked in showing his face and apparently even sat in the hallway outside the court room to wait, I just had a feeling he would be honest. He was behaving as someone would who has nothing left to hide. Maybe the charges he was threatened with scared him straight and showed him the right path again in life.

All, MOO

Or DM could have been manipulating via the pen. If he says AM was not told anything......then that would mean if AM did talk, it would be made up lies? DM could have been way ahead of the game. He had plenty of time to think about this while he looked at his cinder blocks. Bet he is counting them now.

 

[Errrr]

To me it felt like he was trying to put words in someone's mouth, to implicate MS. That I can recall, we've heard nothing about MS giving DM the toolbox, but if he could convince one of his merry men to say it, rather than coming from him, he could deflect suspicion away from him.

IMO I think this really opens the door for MS to take the stand and possibly get a lesser charge. DM would be torn apart, but I think MS might have a shot, esp given that he has the superior representation between the two. The defence presenting their case will be very interesting.

All my own opinion.

I doubt any of this will get him a lesser charge. I think the best he can hope for would be chance of parole within the 25 yrs......until his next trial that is when all bets are off.
Funny to see DM spending May 9th tossing hot potatoes in the laps of all his friends eh? Now he's upset they tossed them before being caught with incriminating evidence haha.
I'm finding that weedy backpack a problem though. Why are there so many explanations and which is the truth? MM said she asked MS to get it so she could smoke it. Then she said MS decided to get it the moment he heard of the arrest. MH said DM gave it to AM for safekeeping. What did AM say and why is this so important?
I also want to know if here is a gun in the golf bag by Maddies front door.

 

[Alethea Dice]

MS told BD about the one he wanted, he never said he actually got it.

Smich had played him a video on a tablet, perhaps an iPad, about “zombie bullets” and said he had some of this type of ammunition, but it didn’t fit the gun he had. Smich complained Millard got the gun he wanted and he ended up with another gun, Daly said.

That other gun — Smich’s gun — was stashed in a yellow and black toolbox, which was then hidden.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/mark-smich-was-jumpy-anxious-and-trying-to-lay-low-after-bosma-disappearance-friend

 

[hellkat2]

Who leaves 6 grand lying around the house, BTW? but leaves a pound of weed?

Someone who is planning on taking off to Mexico?

 

[mozzagirl]

Just saying beforehand that this whole post is going to be MOO, and then I am signing off for the night.

CN and MB find out the night of the 10th that DM is arrested for truck theft and forceable confinement. If they think he was not involved in this, they would be working to prove he didn't do it. Not consulting with a lawyer, holing up with bottles of wine in a hotel room (which I bet they paid for with cash and a fake name to be untraceable), wiping fingerprints and brainstorming about what was in the trailer. They wouldn't be going to this house to get his power of attorney and money. If they thought he didn't nothing they wouldn't come to the conclusion that the trailer had the truck in it. That is a huge leap in my opinion if you knew nothing of even his plan to steal a truck, as CN claimed on the stand yesterday.

There are too many red flags with MB and CN's behaviour that night that scream they knew exactly what happened.

For the record, I do know of someone who was falsely accused of a crime years ago and had to spend a few nights in jail. Her family and friends showed up at the police station ASAP and did anything they could to prove she was innocent and to get her released. In the end her charges were acquitted. But it just shows to me that if someone is innocent, everyone around them wouldn't go into serious CYA mode.

To me CN and MB knew exactly what he had done and that is why they went into damage control.

There was no talk in the letters from DM to CN about helping his clear his name as he is innocent. His main concern is altering a witness' testimony as what they said is bad to his case.

The jury has got to be sitting there like us normal people and thinking this is all so crazy and DM is 100% guilty.

 

[Claroon]

The letters show how manipulative DM is. Telling her that he wants her to be the mother of his kids. Revealing that he "loves" her. Ridiculous.

Reminds me of my ex. Say mushy gushy stuff to manipulate. Emotional abuse. Never mind screwing around with others at the same time. IMO