Bosma Murder Trial 05.02.16 - Day 43

[Errrr]

She got him to get the weed though.

Her testimony about that was uncertain. Once she said she told MS to get the weed because she wanted to smoke it. Next she said that when MS saw that DM was arrested he immediately jumped to the phone to call in the weed. Her testimony is bonkers.
But whichever, it was doesn't mean she knew they were going to murder someone that night.

 

[Maple1]

I cannot imagine the hurt that must bring up for the Bosmas family hearing this sentence and all the rest.

Just glad, so much in the letters adding to evidence of guilt, IMO.

 

[Typhoo1961]

"I have nearly had children and been married more than once" as written by DM in his letters
Despite the ambiguous grammar, it still suggests pregnancy..... Not relevant in this trial but I wonder how he got out of that?

He probably manipulated the girl into having an abortion somehow.

 

[Errrr]

Hmm, now I question whether all the letters went through his mom?

This one passage from a letter made me think it wasn't her directly sometimes or at all.

"I saw my Mum this morning. [...] I expect a messenger is coming soon to pick this up."

Yes, I noticed that too. I wondered if the lawyer was passing them in the beginning?

 

[Errrr]

Sorry guys but I just can't keep up, so if this has already been said, my apologies!

When BD testified that MS believed that DM was framing him.. I thought at the time that it was simply paranoia, and rightfully so, considering their actions that night. But from today's letter evidence, it has become clear in my mind at least, that DM was in fact trying to frame MS. I'm just having such a hard time with that. Like isn't it bad enough to drag one of your best friends into your criminal escapades just so you can get a free truck, even though you're wealthy? The guy also needed to frame him and make it all be his fault if possible? Wow. What I'm curious about is how at that early time, did MS know that DM was trying to frame him? God, no wonder the guy was so paranoid. Is it still considered paranoia when your delusions are reality?

I think that was late on the 9th when DM dropped off MS. We can only surmise what was said during the drive but DM seemed to be pretty sure LE was closing in on him. Whatever it was seemed pretty upsetting to MS. That's what made me think he told MS he was keeping Marks gun. I think he was already laying tracks by distributing evidence and utilizing others cellphones that night. I think he was cooking up a story before he was even arrested. I don't think CN was safe from it either. He didn't realize how much use he would be able to make of her in the future. Notice MS wasn't the only one acting paranoid.

 

[MsSherlock]

He probably manipulated the girl into having an abortion somehow.

Often wondered about LB

 

[Errrr]

Let's also not forget that DM likely started "grooming" CN when she was a teenager.

Aside from tossing drugs and money their way, it doesn't sound like there was much grooming of women going on. He was juggling them! He seemed to have a pretty low opinion of women IMO. What use were they that they weren't offering up for free?

 

[Massasauga Rattler]

I sure bet the tweeting courtroom reporters are sure glad the letters are finished!

 

[MsSherlock]

What was the purpose of that fake letter? Alibi for something in 2012?

No- he wanted CN to hold on to his "romantic card" with the assumption that she was destroying all the other letters he had sent her. To make it safe, he backdated the message to a time prior to his arrest just so no one would know he was communicating with her from jail and violating the "no contact order".

 

[Kamille]

I haven't read the letters yet but that's a good observation.

In his lame attempts to make MS look like a pathetic loser, DM spins a tale about MS and MM becoming hooked on Oxy. That leads me to wonder about something that has never been cleared up, as far as I know.

Earlier in the trial we heard about drugs. Specifically "narcotics" known to many to be kept in the black & yellow toolbox belonging to DM. Kept at his house, in his room, with a lock on it. Brought out at parties. As soon as I heard about that my first thought was Oxycontin. But then the conversation quickly turned to pot, the pound of pot, the back pack smelling like pot, etc.

So... what exactly was the narcotic kept in the toolbox?

Two things that stand out to me in the letters is the fact that DM mentions that MS asked for "all the drugs" (nothing about him wanting "his" gun back"). That would include not only the pound of weed that was apparently at the house but the "magic toolbox" full of party narcotics IMO. To MS...that would be "all the drugs". And I agree that Oxy was probably one of the drugs in the box. And that MS may have asked for one (orange guy) because of his shoulder pain and because of what he knew was expected of him that night.

Since it appears from the letters that no one other than DM knew that the gun was in the toolbox, including MS it seems, and he doesn't mention anything about holding "Mark's gun", I tend to believe that MS did not know there was a gun in the toolbox but he wanted it because he knew DM kept narcotics in it. I think the only person who knew that was the person who owned it and locked the gun in it before handing it off to a friend when "the heat was on". I believe that BD was somewhat mistaken in his recollection of what MS said when they were looking at that youtube video. I believe MS told him that he wanted to get a particular type of gun (the one that takes the bullets they were looking at) but that DM decided on a different one, which was the Walther PPK.

Remember, at one point he wanted AM to say that MS had given him (DM) the toolbox all locked up to "hold", feigning ignorance about what was in it because MS had given it to him locked. That was going to be a bold faced lie. How delusional is he that he thought no one who has ever been at one of his "drug fueled parties" would not recognize that toolbox as his and notify LE? Did he think that everyone was just naturally going to cover for him?

That said, however, it is still possible that DM gave the gun to MS that evening to be used in the murder. Just because it was likely never really MS's gun doesn't mean that he was never promised he'd get to use it.

MOO

 

[Claroon]

I'm actually feeling sorry for DM. He is so detached. When he called TB "the dead guy" it showed just how detached he is. When he was first arrested, I too wanted to believe he was innocent. Why? Because he seemed handsome to me. That's the problem, we think killers should look a certain way. IMO

 

[Claroon]

Aside from tossing drugs and money their way, it doesn't sound like there was much grooming of women going on. He was juggling them! He seemed to have a pretty low opinion of women IMO. What use were they that they weren't offering up for free?

I think the key word in ArianeEmory's post was "teenager." She says she was 18 but maybe she was an underage 17 yr old when they first hooked up.

 

[Massasauga Rattler]

Good catch- sure looks like it was a possibility. In all honesty, I have no idea how MS is sitting there beside DM and listening to all of this stuff. I would imagine that P & S's cross is going to do everything to show how fantastic DM was to CN. How he never hid anything- how generous he was and what a loser MS was. IMHO, P & S have to have figured out someway to spin CN's testimony. TD on the other hand? Can anyone guess where he's going to go with this? There's just so much! CN not remembering anything, the tampering with witnesses, the letters...everything pointing to framing MS.

So, assuming we have seen the last witness for the Crown, we have now seen the totality of the evidence against DM and MS (with the exception of the cross examinations). I have said it before, and still say, I bet MS will not be convicted on 1st degree. My guess is 2nd.. Happy to be wrong.

 

[Kamille]

Since he's also identified himself as a "heater with a penis"- I'm thinking that he may want to make sure that gets on his "romance card design" business card when he gets to his permanent pen digs. That may be a benefit if he's looking for some protection. MOO Now, what does crack me up is his little note on that card that talks about him studying in Reno, dated 2012- on prison note paper. No one would ever put that one together. Coo coo for coco puffs. MOO

BBM

If you read that in the P.S. section of one of the letters, it appears that he is questioning that phrase. So I think that it was actually CN who called him that in one of her letters.

Just imagine if they'd also found hers. And speaking of that, what happened to the "drafts" of letters that she wrote that she did not send him? Why was the jury not able to see any of those?

MOO

 

[Massasauga Rattler]

"I have nearly had children and been married more than once" as written by DM in his letters
Despite the ambiguous grammar, it still suggests pregnancy..... Not relevant in this trial but I wonder how he got out of that?

By killing LB?

 

[Typhoo1961]

Often wondered about LB

You're not thinking DM murdered her if she became pregnant because that is just what I am thinking now.

 

[mskrisc]

I highly doubt that. That would be pretty obvious wouldn't it? Plus he talks about putting parts of letters in his cell, so he must have physically had them. Maybe she hid them in a pot of honey?

Lol @ a Pot of Honey! [emoji219]
I wonder if these letters were passed to Deepak by MB and DM and Deepak assumed or was told it was just mother/son letters? Once he found out... DM had to get a new lawyer as Deepak would not risk his licence to practice law. Hence the new lawyer retained 2 years after Deepak started with DM! Pillar was retained in June 2015. No comment was ever made from Deepak regarding this situation. We know the letters came via MB but from what others have said... Only the lawyer has full access to a prisoner. MB's visits would have been on the other side of the glass!
Any theories?
MOO

 

[mskrisc]

By killing LB?

Wow! How'd I miss this? Was this toady? I've always thought this was his reason for killing her! He had a little love triangle going on and LB was going to destroy that!

 

[Wollander77]

I'm actually feeling sorry for DM. He is so detached. When he called TB "the dead guy" it showed just how detached he is. When he was first arrested, I too wanted to believe he was innocent. Why? Because he seemed handsome to me. That's the problem, we think killers should look a certain way. IMO

<RSBM>

Ha, I didn't, though I understand why you did. IMO, handsome is as handsome does - if you can even call DM that. I'm far more wary of men who think they're good looking, act as though they're God's gift to humankind, and get implicated in not one, but three different murders. But this is just me. I've watched and read far too many true crime scenarios to believe killers are made of just one ugly, antisocial, suicidal mould. As SB tearfully described, the Devil can come knocking on your door in various guises, and you can only pray you come out unscathed from the encounter. MOO.

 

[canadiangirl]

I'm actually feeling sorry for DM. He is so detached. When he called TB "the dead guy" it showed just how detached he is. When he was first arrested, I too wanted to believe he was innocent. Why? Because he seemed handsome to me. That's the problem, we think killers should look a certain way. IMO

See that's the last word I'd use to describe DM. Handsome. I actually wondered many times how he got so many women... One word. Money. Or the illusions of grandeur

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