Bosma Murder Trial 05.02.16 - Day 43

[meterclicks]

We're now taking the lunch break. Back at 2:05 p.m.
by Adam Carter 12:51 PM

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 41s41 seconds ago
Leitch asks what 'prince of thieves' is in reference to. "Aladdin. And bad humour..given the situation," she says. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
"Prince of Thieves," she says, was a reference to Aladdin. In one letter she started "Dear Prince of Thieves." #TimBosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 28s29 seconds ago
Next letter, undated and ripped.: "I am earning my discipline tattoo. I will return to you more knowledgable and capable."

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 53s54 seconds ago
Next letter. Appears ripped. "I am earning my discipline tattoo. I will return to you more knowledgeable and capable." #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 38s39 seconds ago
"I am earning my discipline tattoo. I will return to you more knowledgable and capable... With discomfort defeat is felt..."

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 31s32 seconds ago
"I hope to never again be separated from you for so long. With discomfort defeat is felt. With discomfort victory is achieved." #bosma

 

[SnooperDuper]

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 26s27 seconds ago
#Bosma court taking a lunch break.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Taking the lunch break. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 54s55 seconds ago
Jury going to lunch until 2:05 p.m. #Bosma

 

[paris_paris]

I've never believed there were 3 people involved the night of May 6th, but why would he say in the letter that it was "Itchy and 2 of his boyz"? And why now does he need CN to explain where she was from 5pm to 5am?

 

[mozzagirl]

I wonder how many of these story changes DM wrote about in his letters were actual defence strategies his lawyers were working on? Could you imagine them working on one of these defences and then the letters surface?

What is the saying? Loose lips sink ships.

 

[meterclicks]

I've never believed there were 3 people involved the night of May 6th, but why would he say in the letter that it was "Itchy and 2 of his boyz"? And why now does he need CN to explain where she was from 5pm to 5am?

My assumption is that he was trying to corroborate an alibi with her.

 

[ArianeEmory]

I've never believed there were 3 people involved the night of May 6th, but why would he say in the letter that it was "Itchy and 2 of his boyz"? And why now does he need CN to explain where she was from 5pm to 5am?

Gut reaction: two guys are a duo, but three guys are a gang and that sounds much scarier; in line with DM's narrative about he and his family having something to fear.

 

[Inspector_North]

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
Noudga says she wanted to know if his mother was reading her racy letters. That's what Millard was saying about getting them sealed

Bidirectional letter movement, and the messenger is MB. MOO

Thefts, drugs, and breaking court orders, and the "Hole in the Hanger" gang are still protecting Dellen the Melon. Someone please tell me that they don't get to walk away with their illegal actions because they are tied to this psycho murderer?

MOO

 

[DeepWoodsOff]

Well, this is all just ... breathtaking. I don't think any of us ever expected us to get so much information straight from the horse's mouth, simply by reading between the lies.

Stunning.

Exactly! And when you overlay the rest of the evidence, particularly the cell phone data....it's quite the telling story!

I know we were pretty hard on AJ for not telling CrimeStoppers where the truck was right away but if he didn't call them at all, and eventually make the right decision....would DM and MS have gotten away with this? The truck would have had the VIN switched out and it would have been repainted within days. What did LE have otherwise? A bunch of shadows to chase after. Now we know his mother was protecting him as well so the trailer in her driveway wasn't going to be exposed by her. MOO

 

[Errrr]

Answer this, why did MM beg Smich not to go? Just another mission right?

Remember, she was pretty disgusted with the stealing anyways. That's why DM didn't like her. She wasn't into the Peter Pan lifestyle like the rest of them. She didn't even approve of the incessant, juvenile video play.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1 Std.Vor
"I went to great lengths to avoid any spousal role, at least in the time you've known me."

:facepalm:

 

[mozzagirl]

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 30s30 seconds ago
I receive your envelopes sealled(sic) so so worries there. I can hardly wait for the day we again frolic naked together.-a Prince of Thieves

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Leitch asks what he meant re: envelopes being sealed/no worries there.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
She says some of the more intimate letters she wrote, she wanted to know if his mother had opened/read them. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 50s50 seconds ago
Noudga says she wondered if her intimate letters were read by Millard's mother. Millard assured her her envelopes arrived sealed. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
"It's just kind of, you know, personal," she says. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
Noudga says she wanted to know if his mother was reading her racy letters. That's what Millard was saying about getting them sealed

Again with the "sex" angle of answering questions in order to have Leitch move along.

IMO, it was more that the letters were answers to his questions about her tampering with witnesses.

 

[brightii]

"Orange guy"?? I guess it was oxy pills being referred to.

It could be, but I analyze everything in DM's letters with a very skeptical eye because it could mean something entirely different as he is just wanting to get his script to CN so she can influence the story with others and on the stand, IMO. I also wonder if AM did know about the murder being planned, IMO. Just because DM says in his letters that he told AM very little doesn't mean it is true, IMO, rather it means to me that's the message he wants AM to adhere to, IMO. DM is such a deluded manipulator and I cannot fathom CN not having understood completely what he intended for her to do, and therefore, I think when November rolls around, she is in very deep trouble herself, IMO. She and DM both ridiculously expect that their conceived versions of events will be believed by a judge and/or jury and it's just not going to happen that way, IMO. Guilty as charged, IMO, for both DM and CN.

All MOO.

 

[JPC]

Bingo...there is no way he was only communicating with CN via this route. MB should be ashamed of herself and consider herself very lucky she is not behind bars along with her son. I find it very ironic that she thought she had all this under control on the outside and it's one of the very things that most of us (and perhaps the jury as well?) are using, along with the rest of her witness tampering to base her son's absolute guilt on. There is not one thing in those letters that indicates his complete shock and surprise about all that transpired that week and the fact that he was arrested and now faced murder 1 charges because of it. So if he ever did express any shock or surprise to CN about what happened, he did it during the week she now claims she knows nothing about. So her testimony to help him that he was begging for, is likely not happening thanks to those letters and CN's subsequent charges. MB wasn't much help to either of them at all was she. And if she takes the stand...her cross examination by both the Crown and TD should be epic.

MOO

MB obviously showed her son that utter disregard for rules is okay and the law does not apply to him or her. Mommie Dearest is a real gem.

 

[Ontario Mom]

I've never believed there were 3 people involved the night of May 6th, but why would he say in the letter that it was "Itchy and 2 of his boyz"? And why now does he need CN to explain where she was from 5pm to 5am?

Well... it would appear DM was busy at work dreaming up his own special version of what happened that night, and who was actually where, and with whom, etc. The thing is, if DM was actually innocent of this crime, there'd be no need to go into such elaborate, false detail to have CN relay for him.

What I find REALLY interesting, as was previously mentioned, is that some of DM's revised history was repeated online in various ways over and over again. Such as, the repeated insistence of their being 3 people involved that night even after LE were no longer looking for a 3rd suspect. Almost as if... he'd shared the story (with who, it's impossible to know - he could have been getting all kinds of mail from people simply interested in the case and NOT on that no-contact list) in hopes of someone spreading it & creating all sorts of doubts as to his actual involvement.

I know LE did originally suspect a 3rd person simply based on the lie DM told the Bosma's, that a friend had dropped them off and went to Tim Hortons to wait until the test drive was over. They did drop that angle though (LE) pretty early on, but that story just refused to go away.

Things that make you go hmmm... :thinking:

 

[mozzagirl]

DM must be sitting there listening to these letters being read and itching to stand up and explain "what he really meant".

Meanwhile, I'm sure MS is sitting there thinking "what an idiot". DM seems very adamant in these letters to find a way to frame MS for the entire planning and crime.

 

[RandomName479]

DM must be sitting there listening to these letters being read and itching to stand up and explain "what he really meant".

Meanwhile, I'm sure MS is sitting there thinking "what an idiot". DM seems very adamant in these letters to find a way to frame MS for the entire planning and crime.

Yep. They were CLEARLY both there. But DM is trying to make it seem like he was somewhere else and had given MS his phone. Which I believe to be 100% false. Still interesting that some people STILL believe there was a third person or that others in DM's crew were a part of this crime, when DM has basically spelled out for us how it went down. Very interesting indeed. MOO

 

[loveisthemovement]

Honestly, there is no need for DM to testify. He wrote everything down for the court.

 

[ArianeEmory]

Just for fun, here's the old 'Dellen was framed' thread.

http://tinyurl.com/z7foqhz

Unfortunately, working backwards through the tweets, it looks like the "Dell didn't apply for bail because threats" letter was undated, but other forum searches indicate people started really questioning his lack of trying to get bail fairly early on, and increasingly so in July through September of 2013. So I'm guessing he was reacting to public perception of his not applying for bail (in his letter to CN, and wherever) sometime in early fall of 2013.

In going down the old-thread rabbit-hole, I found this post I made just ten days after DM was arrested. Interesting how little my opinion has shifted in three years:

http://tinyurl.com/glf3cj7

That said, I wish I could recover some of the energy I expended in arguing with certain people.

(All links fixed)

 

[andreww]

Yep. They were CLEARLY both there. But DM is trying to make it seem like he was somewhere else and had given MS his phone. Which I believe to be 100% false. Still interesting that some people STILL believe there was a third person or that others in DM's crew were a part of this crime, when DM has basically spelled out for us how it went down. Very interesting indeed. MOO

Sorry, where did he spell that out?