Bosma Murder Trial 05.03.16 - Day 44

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Noudga says she had "absolutely no time" to answer every letter Millard sent. "I told him that I wanted him to come back, yes," Noudga says.
by Adam Carter 12:20 PM

Noudga agrees that she was "trying to feed him hope."
by Adam Carter 12:21 PM

Noudga agrees she held onto the letters because she loved him, and they had sentimental value.
by Adam Carter 12:23 PM

 

[SnooperDuper]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 15m15 minutes ago
Millard jailhouse letter to her about "bearing the loneliness."

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 14m14 minutes ago
Referring directly to letters now. #Millard mentions "loneliness" as his main challenge in one. Pillay notes this is a theme. CN: "correct"

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 14m14 minutes ago
Pillay cites first letter. He writes "The challenge is no longer enduring the day to day prison life, it's bearing the loneliness." #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 15m15 minutes ago Toronto, Ontario
Millard's loneliness, isolation, was an ongoing theme in his letters, says his lawyer. Noudga agrees. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 14m14 minutes ago
Next tab. He writes "tell me about your life, your day. Give me a window into some other place...send me pictures...I'm locked in a box."

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 14m14 minutes ago
"Send me pictures, I'm locked in a box," Millard writes to Noudga.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 14m14 minutes ago
"Give me a window into some other place...I'm locked in a box," writes #Millard on Aug 19/13.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 15m15 minutes ago
"Tell me about your life, your day. Give me a window into some other place. A window to where you are. I'm locked in a box," writes Millard.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 15m15 minutes ago
(That one was from August 2013) #Bosma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 15m15 minutes ago
in letters Pillay says DM is talking about his day to day loneliness. "Give me a window. Tell me about your life. I'm locked in a box."

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 14m14 minutes ago
Next. Aug 11. He writes "it's a traumatic experience, jail. But I'm making the most of it." #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 14m14 minutes ago
Aug. 20, 2013: "It's a traumatic experience jail, but I'm making the most of it," writes Millard.

 

[Kamille]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 15m15 minutes ago
She had seen gloves at hangar before and had used them there before. PIllay says she painted furniture there with Dell, she says she didn't.

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 15m15 minutes ago
Re: gloves mentioned in her testimony, Noudga says she'd often see/use gloves at the hangar helping #Millard out.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 15m15 minutes ago
Noudga had seen boxes of gloves at the hangar and had used them more than once. Pillay asks about painting furniture. She doesn't remember

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 15m15 minutes ago
Pillay suggests she helped Dell paint furniture at the hangar. She says she didn't do that. But agrees she did wear gloves there. #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 14m14 minutes ago Toronto, Ontario
Pillay said it wasn't unusual for Noudga to wear gloves when helping Millard around the hanger. She remembers this. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 15m15 minutes ago
She might have left a glove behind there, Pillay suggest. Noudga agrees.

Oops...she missed the painting furniture and leaving gloves behind at the hangar clue. Was she painting the furniture with blood? :waitasec:

What is the point of this? I think she admitted to wearing gloves at the farm moving the incinerator, which still had some of TB's blood on it when it was found by LE.

MOO

 

[RandomName479]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 45s46 seconds ago
He suggests she never thought they'd come up in the trial. "I'm a little surprised they are," she says. #Bosma

What?!?!?!?! seriously......what is this girl thinking? I am in shock......she is obviously a witness for the defense (as much as she can be) but the Crown had to call her to get the letters admitted. I am actually shaking my head.....MOO

 

[Inspector_North]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 14m14 minutes ago
Next. Aug 11. He writes "it's a traumatic experience, jail. But I'm making the most of it." #Bosma

Traumatic would be murdering someone and burning them in an incinerator. MOO

 

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Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 14m14 minutes ago
Pillay cites more examples from #Millard's letters discussing loneliness and trauma of jail experience. "You knew he was suffering." "Yes."

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 14m14 minutes ago
Pillay suggests his experience in jail was weighing heavily on him. She agrees. #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 15m15 minutes ago Toronto, Ontario
51 handwritten letters, approx 138 pages, were entered into evidence. Read them in full here: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/news/bosma-trial-noudga-testimony-1.3561968#letters … @CBCHamilton

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 15m15 minutes ago
Millard's experience in jail was weighing heavily on him, Noudga agrees. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 15m15 minutes ago
Sept. 14: "Waking up in a cell day after day is depressing," Millard writes. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 15m15 minutes ago
Pillay is taking Noudga through passages that show jail was weighing on Millard. "Day after day waking up in a cell is depressing."

 

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molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 15m15 minutes ago
Pillay pointing to several letters in which Millard laments about being in jail. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 15m15 minutes ago
Pillay is having her review certain areas of the letters, but they're not on courtroom screens. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 15m15 minutes ago
Sept. 25 or 26: "In seg, we're locked in our cells 23 hours a day." No human contact. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 15m15 minutes ago
In another he tells her "in seg, we are locked in our cells 23 hours a day." No human contact. #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 15m15 minutes ago Toronto, Ontario
Pillay: He was spending 23 hours locked into a cell, no human contact? Noudga: Yes #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 14m14 minutes ago
Thomas Dungey, Mark Smich's lawyer, made a request they be put on screen but the judge said its up to Pillay. #Bosma

 

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Noudga says she's "a little surprised" these letters are taking on the importance they are at the trial.
by Adam Carter 12:23 PM

Noudga also says she didn't do anything with the digital video recorder Millard gave her. "You just didn't think anything of it," Pillay says. "I just thought it was a stereo," she says.
by Adam Carter 12:25 PM

Noudga agrees the notes she wrote seized in her room were moreso just thoughts and ramblings that she never thought she'd be questioned on.
by Adam Carter 12:27 PM

 

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molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 15m15 minutes ago
Another. "Four months in the hole and making the most of it." #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 15m15 minutes ago
"Four months in the whole I'm making the most of it."#bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 15m15 minutes ago
It's clear that's not the way Pillay wants to go. #TimBosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 14m14 minutes ago
Millard: "Four months in the hole, I'm making the most of it."

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 14m14 minutes ago
Another. Oct 16 now. "This long lonely isolation has had its benefits." Pillay suggests he's putting on a brave face. She agrees. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 14m14 minutes ago
He suggests she could tell it was damaging him. She agrees. #Bosma

 

[ArianeEmory]

Really, the best the defense can do with the letters is try to make people feel bad that an accused triple murderer was in self-selected solitary confinement?

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 14m14 minutes ago
He writes that being in the hole has allowed for "introspection." #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 14m14 minutes ago
Noudga says Millard was trying to put on a brave face, but knew the time spent in isolation was damaging to him. #TimBosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 14m14 minutes ago Toronto, Ontario
Pillay working hard to enforce Millard's mental health was rapidly declining, as he was writing letters #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 14m14 minutes ago
Time in isolation been damaging to him, suggests Pillay. Noudga agrees. Millard: "4 months in the hole allows for a lot of introspection."

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 14m14 minutes ago
"I miss you. It hurts. I don't know whether to embrace the pain or detach from it." Millard writes. "He's lonely," Noudga says.

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 14m14 minutes ago Toronto, Ontario
Pillay: You know him, he's in significant distress? Noudga: He's lonely. He has no one there supporting him. The world's turned against him.

 

[Inspector_North]

Noudga says she's "a little surprised" these letters are taking on the importance they are at the trial.
by Adam Carter 12:23 PM

How did she make it through psychology? MOO

 

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Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 14m14 minutes ago Toronto, Ontario
Pillay working hard to enforce Millard's mental health was rapidly declining, as he was writing letters #Bosma

Reminds me of DM's WS-based defence team...they were always deeply concerned about his mental health. Go figure.

 

[Kamille]

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 16m16 minutes ago
While in jail CN says DM ; his emotional health is declining. Confused. "He was in despair. He was losing hope. Desperate" @AM900CHML

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 16m16 minutes ago
Noudga answers "yes" to Pillay's Qs about #Millard seeming "lost, distressed, alone, cut off" etc. After his arrest.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 16m16 minutes ago
Pillay suggests it was clear he was "confused" and "lost." She agrees. He was cut off from most ppl, she was "like a lifeline." #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 16m16 minutes ago
"Your reading the letters thinking his confused, right?" He's lost, Noudga agrees. Millard was cut off from the world. #TimBosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 16m16 minutes ago
"He was alone, cut off from the world," suggests Pillay. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 16m16 minutes ago
She agrees he was alone, cut off from the world and didn't know what to do. #TimBosma

Well the jail administration and the social workers were trying to get him out of "the hole" to go and mingle. Seems he thought he was better suited to being all alone. He had clothes, paper, pencil and books. "'Tis luxury". Not buying the "his mental health was deteriorating" angle. His mental health was off before he went in there. But he was very clear and sharp about how he wanted the discovery spun in those letters.

MOO

By the way, how was he playing chess and selling off his hidden coffee supply if he had no contact with other prisoners?

 

[Elisabeth]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 15m15 minutes ago
Pillay suggests she could tell the isolation was getting to him and that his emotional health was deteriorating. Losing hope. Desperate.

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 15m15 minutes ago Toronto, Ontario
Noudga agrees she could tell his emotional health was deteriorating #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 15m15 minutes ago
She could tell isolation was getting to him, he was losing hope, he was desperate. "He didn't come off as depressed," she says.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 16m16 minutes ago
She says he didn't come off as depressed "but being in jail ya you get depressed." #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 15m15 minutes ago
Noudga says as time passed Millard's emotional health seemed to be in decline. He was confused, lost and under distress. #TimBosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 15m15 minutes ago Toronto, Ontario
Pillay: You're reading the letters, you can tell he's confused. Noudga: Yes.... he didn't know what to do. #Bosma

I am glad CN clarified the confusion. DM wasn't confused about what happened. He was confused about which lie/defense to mount.

speculatiing

 

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In another letter, Pillay points to where Millard talks about a shoulder rehabilitation. "He had injured his shoulder prior to arrest. I don't recall the details of how he did so, you'd have to ask him," Noudga says.
by Adam Carter 12:28 PM

"It hurt to do certain lifts or pushes," Noudga says. "It hurt to lift things up, right?" Pillay says. She answers a "small lift" would be fine.
by Adam Carter 12:28 PM

In a statement, Noudga said Millard didn't choose his loyalties wisely. "He supported him in every aspect of his life," Noudga says about Millard and Smich.
by Adam Carter 12:30 PM

"Dell would run to Mark's rescue, right?" Pillay says. "Pretty much," Noudga says.
by Adam Carter 12:30 PM

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 15m15 minutes ago
Nov 11 now. "I miss you. It hurts. I don't know whether to embrace the pain or detach from it." #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 14m14 minutes ago
"He's alone and he doesn't have anyone there, like, supporting him," says Noudga.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 16m16 minutes ago
She says she took it as he was alone; that the world was against him. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 15m15 minutes ago
"He's alone" she says. "He has no-one there supporting him and the world has turned against him." #TimBosma

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 15m15 minutes ago
Shown more letters, Noudga says "he's alone & he doesn't have anyone there supporting him. The world was turned against him."

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 15m15 minutes ago
In another he mentions carollers visiting the jail--says others seemed happy but he was saddened by it. Reminded him of "passage of time."

 

[Inspector_North]

One thing we can count on is TD trumping all Pillay's questioning with his first two questions. MOO

 

[SnooperDuper]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 16m16 minutes ago
Carollers at jail. "For me it was saddening...it reminds me of those I wish I was with," he writes near Christmas. #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 16m16 minutes ago Toronto, Ontario
Pillay: It's clear he was not thinking straight? Noudga: Yes #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 15m15 minutes ago
"It's clear he was not thinking straight," Pillay suggests. Noudga agrees. "Coming apart?" "A little bit."

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 15m15 minutes ago
Pillay: it was clear he was not thinking straight. He was alone. Afraid. Confused.
She agrees. #Bosma

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 15m15 minutes ago
Noudga says she wrote back to #Millard because he was alone. Coming apart.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 16m16 minutes ago
Noudga says the letters made it clear Millard wasn't thinking straight and coming apart "which is why I wrote back." #TimBosma