Bosma Murder Trial 05.04.16 - Day 45

[andreww]

Dungey is good. There is no other way to say it. Damn good. Clear, concise and doesn't miss anything. I wonder if DM is sitting there thinking that he wishes he had TD as his lawyer instead of his less-than-thorough team?

CN's testimony has led my mind to this point:
I believe this was 100% DM's plan. MS knew the plan and he was there but ultimately it was put together by DM. Doesn't help MS...he will be found just as guilty as DM, but his actions after the murder are a bit telling in my mind. We wonder why he wasn't included in anything after the first night....DM maintained his calm demeanor as he moved the incinerator, the truck in the trailer etc. Meanwhile we've learned that MS was panicking, hiding at MM's sister's house etc. I believe they both knew the plan and MS was a willing participant, but something went wrong during that plan and MS panicked...but the boss didn't. MOO

Smich panicked when AJ called crimestoppers. Doesn't make him any more or less of a planner IMO.

 

[SnooperDuper]

How so? I thought under the Canada Evidence Act, anything she testifies to in this trial, cannot be used against her in her own trial? :thinking:

But DM can testify against her in her trial.

 

[Inspector_North]

What we are seeing here is much like John Rosen said about KH. For 7 days he threw everything at her, and the more horrific and bizarre it got, the stronger KH got.

She has repeated her excuses for DM and MB, and not one mention of the victim besides calling it a mess.

The Idiot Savant routine is not working.

MOO

 

[CJPRINCESS]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 13m13 minutes ago
"I was fairly stoned at the time, as I normally was when I was with him," she says. "Too stoned to see a yellow and black toolbox?"

:thinking: Sounds an awful lot like Daly's testimony, for not remembering certain things! Aways Stoned!

 

[SnooperDuper]

This is kind of an aside but one lawyer said CN is going to grad school, the other said med school. She corrected neither--does anyone know which? And is anyone concerned CN got into med school? That she somehow passed the ethics test???

In Canada, to work in healthcare you have to pass a Vulnerable Sector/Police Record Check. There was big news a year or so ago about how every single police encounter stays on your record forever, and one guy who'd been interrogated as a material witness in some crime had that show up on his record, and someone who bought a dirty comic, too. This prevented them from working as nurses. It turns out, you can't even so much as be arrested for protesting or be a witness to a crime without it showing up on your police record check, and it turning out "not clear." This has prevented people from getting into nursing/medicine and/or getting fired once it came to light. There is at the moment no way to remove this history, even if you were never arrested--which is what the news was about.

A long time ago I was a victim of a crime and spent hours trying to ensure I didn't have a record of police involvement over it. I work at a hospital with patients, and plan to apply to medical school.

IF she got into medical school, I can't see how she will ever be able to practice, with this degree of a crime on her record (the charge). Even with acquittal/plea/expungement I can't see her being able to work in that field for YEARS, if ever.

She said that she got accepted to medical school, and in her notes she wrote that she planned to study "abroad". She might get somewhere if she attempts to practice in another country...maybe the Ukraine because she knows the language and possibly still has citizenship?

 

[andreww]

Given the letters, I wonder what Dungey's angle could possibly have been? I wonder if it is him, or the evidence that is making it all easy pickings for him (nevermind his great bravado, I think that personal flair is real good). I am very interested in his defense presentation - that will prove to be if he is actually in it for justice to prevail. That is a sticking point that keeps me from praising defense lawyers... they are in it for the money, IMO.

Lets not get carried away on the Dungey lovefest, he obviously had a lot more material to work with Better writers if you will

 

[deugirtni]

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 8m8 minutes ago Toronto, Ontario
Noudga now says it was 'really stupid' of her to wipe down Millard's trailer #Bomsa

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 8m8 minutes ago
Dungey suggests re:trailer in wiping her prints she was also wiping away Dellen's. She says she didn't take that into consideration. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 8m8 minutes ago
She wiped the locks on the trailer because she had checked to make sure they were locked. And she wiped back of trailer where Burns touched.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 8m8 minutes ago
She was also wiping Millard's prints, Dungey points out. "At the time I didn't take that into consideration." Dungey laughs at that answer

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 7m7 minutes ago
"This is Dell's mess not mine," she says. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 8m8 minutes ago
"This is Dell's mess, not mine," Noudga says.

BBM 'she wiped back of trailer where Burns touched'????? Why would Burns have touched the BACK of the trailer which was stuffed into her 'warren'????? Wow!!!!!!

 

[canadiangirl]

I have a serious man-crush for Dungey right now.

I know he's for the defense but something about him screams to me he's out for justice for TB. Where as Pillay is all for DM and IMO would be OK with the scumbags walking. I truly feel Dungey doesn't want that outcome. All moo

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[canadiangirl]

Fellatio isn't sex? Actually it is.

Sounds like Bill Clinton lol

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[deugirtni]

Noudga says it was Millard's idea for them to go to B.C.
by Adam Carter 11:21 AM

Noudga also wrote "leave country" but she says she wasn't thinking about leaving to get away from this.
by Adam Carter 11:21 AM

"Not manipulative. She knew nothing. Might have screwed that up by staying with her," Noudga wrote about staying with Burns.
by Adam Carter 11:22 AM

"My parents kept trying to persuade me the reason I wiped down the trailer was I was being manipulated," she says.
by Adam Carter 11:22 AM

"We didn't remove any evidence, we just removed our touching the trailer," Noudga says. "At the time we didn't see it as evidence." Dungey asks why she would wipe that down if she didn't think it was evidence. She again says she didn't think it was evidence, and the court outright laughs at her response.
by Adam Carter 11:24 AM

Dungey says he's having a little trouble understanding how Noudga and Burns could be concerned about their fingerprints, but supposedly not Millard's.
by Adam Carter 11:25 AM

The courtroom just laughed at Noudga's response again.
by Adam Carter 11:25 AM

"I wiped off my prints, I don't know where else he touched," Noudga says. In her notes she wrote, "they cannot prove it because no prints."
by Adam Carter 11:26 AM

Court again laughs at Noudga. Justice Goodman calls for order.
by Adam Carter 11:27 AM

Oh.my.G@D! Unbelievable!

 

[Figuring]

She said that she got accepted to medical school, and in her notes she wrote that she planned to study "abroad". She might get somewhere if she attempts to practice in another country...maybe the Ukraine because she knows the language and possibly still has citizenship?

Thank you, I missed that part -- makes sense. They may not require the record check, ethics test, etc. A scary prospect for prospective patients, though.

 

[andreww]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 13m13 minutes ago
"I was fairly stoned at the time, as I normally was when I was with him," she says. "Too stoned to see a yellow and black toolbox?"

:thinking: Sounds an awful lot like Daly's testimony, for not remembering certain things! Aways Stoned!

You ever been super-stoned? You can spend a half hour staring at a reflection in the windshield. Would be quite easy not to notice a toolbox being moved IMO.

 

[Jug Up]

I dont. I think she's a cold b#$/^

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Yep. Called that one wrong. She seemed to be getting her answers twisted (on wiping down her prints, or Dell's prints, if she considered evidence, etc...) right before a recess this morning.

She obviously got her mojo back.

Her lawyer has coached her very well, I am afraid.

 

[matou]

She won't crack but she could mess up with Dungey's questioning. JMO

 

[canadiangirl]

Every time she mentions the sex was memorable I cringe. It sounds to me she isn't quite over lover boy. Gag. I do not talk that way about my exes especially if she hates him so much. In fact I don't know of any girl who's been cheated on to say ohhh how great it was. I call BS. She's still in love with him and protecting both their a $$ es

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[andreww]

BBM 'she wiped back of trailer where Burns touched'????? Why would Burns have touched the BACK of the trailer which was stuffed into her 'warren'????? Wow!!!!!!

Why would either of them touch the locks? Either you have a key or know the combination, did they think pulling on them would open them? I still think they wiped the locks to remove Dellen's prints.

 

[andreww]

Chiropractor's office.

My guess is she'll end up working there.

 

[SnooperDuper]

You ever been super-stoned? You can spend a half hour staring at a reflection in the windshield. Would be quite easy not to notice a toolbox being moved IMO.

But people who smoke every day develop a tolerance, and no longer get super-stoned. I have a hard time believing that someone that smoked regularly would be that messed up upon smoking.

 

[caseyjonesin905]

Chiropractor's office.

Mom's a Chiropractor, and I beleive dad is a physio therapist..

 

[canadiangirl]

Mom's a Chiropractor, and I beleive dad is a physio therapist..

That's gotta be excellent for business

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