Bosma Murder Trial 05.11.16 - Day 47 - Smich Defence commences

[SnooperDuper]

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 5m5 minutes ago
Millard sent Jennings home and told Smich he had to move #TimBosma's truck. They put it in the 5th wheel trailer. #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
Smich says they then moved the big car trailer inside. Took the ramps out, attached them to the back. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 5m5 minutes ago
Put #Bosma truck into trailer using ramps. "He drove the #Bosma truck into the trailer."

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
"And then he drove the #Bosma truck into the trailer," he says. Then attached trailer to red truck.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
He says as they were leaving, he forgot the frame of the burnt out seats. Turned around and went back. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 5m5 minutes ago
The trailer was then hitched to the red truck. "As we were leaving, he forgot the burned-out seats," Smich says. They turned around

 

[SnooperDuper]

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 5m5 minutes ago
On May 9 Millard went into a panic after his co-op student reported the #Bosma truck to Crimestoppers.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 6m6 minutes ago
"As we were leaving, he forgot the burned out seats. The frame for the seats." They'd left the hangar, turned back. #bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
Put the frame in the trailer. Proceeded to leave. Millard dropped Smich back in Oakville. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 5m5 minutes ago
The jury has seen video of the truck leaving, turning around, going back to hangar, and leaving again.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 5m5 minutes ago
They had to move the truck. So they loaded it into a trailer and Millard dropped Smich off in Oakville. #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 5m5 minutes ago Vaughan, Ontario
Smich says Millard pulled Bosma's truck into trailer... Remember Millard later left trailer at mom's house. #Bosma

 

[canadiangirl]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
He says there was blood all over the left side of Mr. #Bosma, his head. "There was a lot of...a lot of blood."

Peter Akman ‏@PeterAkmanCTV 1m1 minute ago
Smich "I saw Mr. #Bosma laying on a sheet. There was blood all over the left side... around his head. there was a lot of blood." @CTVNews

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
"There was a lot of blood." #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Millard then told him to open the barn door. "He rolled Mr #Bosma up in the sheet. I opened the barn door...

<rsbm> and that explains the floorboard with blood we saw coming out of the barn

All comments are JMO unless stated otherwise

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
Smich says this would've been nighttime now. "It was a pretty much full day on the 9th." #Bosma

Susan Clairmont &#8207;@susanclairmont 5m5 minutes ago
Left and Millard dropped him in Oakville. "It was pretty much a full day on the 9th." Dark now.

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
Dungey asks if they had any conversation about arrangements to have truck painted. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont &#8207;@susanclairmont 4m4 minutes ago
Had conversation on drive about Arthur Jennings. "He believed Arthur Jennings called the police on him." That's why he wanted to move truck.

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
Smich says they did have a discussion but it was more about Arthur Jennings. "He said he believed Arthur called the police on him." #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner &#8207;@HefCHCHNews 5m5 minutes ago
The conversation in the car was about Arthur Jennings. Millard believed he had called police "That's why he got in a panic." #TimBosma

 

[Massasauga Rattler]

Sorry but this gruesome testimony convinces me even more that MS is guilty of 1st degree murder! How and why if DM had taken MS by surprise would MS not veered off the path and headed for the nearest police station? Why would MS not have called police to report TB's murder and he could have led LE to DM right then and there?

No normal innocent person no matter how shocked would have followed DM blindly in the dead of night to his deserted farm location after having just witnessed the victim slumped over dead in the front seat of his truck and knowing that DM had just executed TB for no reason but for his desire for a truck! A normal person who had no involvement in the murder would never have trusted DM alone with himself afterwards, IMO.

All MOO.

Not saying he's telling the truth, but I absolutely disagree with you on certainty of what a "normal innocent" person would do. When people are in highly stressful, shocking, traumatic, events, or they fear for their own safety, rational decisions are usually anything but.

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
"That's why he wanted to move the truck," Smich says. #Bosma

Colin Butler &#8207;@ColinButlerCBC 6m6 minutes ago
I'm the drive they talked about Arthur Jennings. Millard thought he called the police on him and that's why Millard was in a panic. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner &#8207;@HefCHCHNews 5m5 minutes ago
"Our contact started to minimalize after the 7th," Smich says. "But I didn't want to completely diminish it or he'd get suspicious."

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
Smich says their contact then started to "minimalize." He can't recall exact words used in their contact. #Bosma

Colin Butler &#8207;@ColinButlerCBC 5m5 minutes ago
His contact with Millard dropped off after the murder Smich says.

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
Dungey asks who would be contacting who. Smich says both. Dungey asks why he would maintain contact with Millard after that. #Bosma

 

[EspressoBean]

<rsbm> and that explains the floorboard with blood we saw coming out of the barn

All comments are JMO unless stated otherwise

It doesn't sound like TB's body was in the barn. They brought the incinerator out of the barn to him from what I have read. It seems like he was laying on a sheet on the ground.

I think that board has relevance but not in this trial. JMO

 

[SnooperDuper]

Alex Pierson &#8207;@AlexpiersonAMP 6m6 minutes ago
May 9th-smich says they forgot charred seats. Had to go back to hangar. DM believed arthur jennings went to police. reason for move.

Lisa Hepfner &#8207;@HefCHCHNews 5m5 minutes ago
"I was scared, I was nervous, after seeing him back to his normal self, after seeing what happened on the 6th and 7th, I was utterly shocked

Peter Akman &#8207;@PeterAkmanCTV 5m5 minutes ago
Smich started less contact with Millard. But not quickly because he didn't want him to get suspicious. "I was scared." #Bosma @CTVNews

Shannon Martin &#8207;@ShannonMartinTV 5m5 minutes ago Vaughan, Ontario
Smich 'I was scared, nervous. After seeing him back to his normal self. Seeing him on the 6th and 7th. I was completely and in utter shock'

Susan Clairmont &#8207;@susanclairmont 6m6 minutes ago
"Our contact started to minimalise after the 7th. The 6th and 7th I was scared. I was nervous. After seeing him back to his normal self..."

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 6m6 minutes ago
Smich says he was scared. "Complete and utterly shocked at everything." #Bosma

 

[SnooperDuper]

Colin Butler &#8207;@ColinButlerCBC 5m5 minutes ago
He maintained contact because he was scared Smich said. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner &#8207;@HefCHCHNews 5m5 minutes ago
Why did you not do something at that point? His lawyer asks Smich. "I.. I don't... I guess I was just scared at that time? Confused?"

Shannon Martin &#8207;@ShannonMartinTV 5m5 minutes ago Vaughan, Ontario
Dungey: Why do you not do something? Smich struggles to find words. 'I was just scared, I was confused. I wasn't in the right state of mind'

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 6m6 minutes ago
Dungey asks why he didn't do something at this point. Smich pauses. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner &#8207;@HefCHCHNews 6m6 minutes ago
"I don't know how to explain it. I wasn't in my right state of mind." #TimBosma

Peter Akman &#8207;@PeterAkmanCTV 6m6 minutes ago
Smich Lawyer "Why did you not do something? Smich "I don't know how to explain it, i was confused and scared." #Bosma @CTVNews

 

[ArianeEmory]

Not saying he's telling the truth, but I absolutely disagree with you on certainty of what a "normal innocent" person would do. When people are in highly stressful, shocking, traumatic, events, or they fear for their own safety, rational decisions are usually anything but.

I also have a suspicion that at least part of MS's ego was working hard to convince himself that he was now real 'gangsta'.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

The truck's key may have been chipped - unable to use the truck without it; so, not a simple car-jacking. Could that be part of the motive to kill TB?

Also, if MS was unaware that a murder might be involved, why was he following the truck?

(Sorry if this has been asked & answered.)

 

[Typhoo1961]

<rsbm> and that explains the floorboard with blood we saw coming out of the barn

Good catch. I'd forgotten about that.

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 6m6 minutes ago
"I don't...I guess I was just scared. I was confused. I don't know how to explain it." #Bosma

Susan Clairmont &#8207;@susanclairmont 6m6 minutes ago
Dungey asking why Smich didn't do something. Long pause from Smich. "I guess I was just scared...I wasn't in the right state of mind."

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 6m6 minutes ago
Dungey asks when Marlena Meneses confronts him. He says that was after Millard's arrest but there might've been a convo about the truck.

Susan Clairmont &#8207;@susanclairmont 5m5 minutes ago
Confronted by Marlena? "She might have asked home about the truck..." He thinks it was after police went to hangar.

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
He believes it was after police showed up at the hangar. #Bosma

Alex Pierson &#8207;@AlexpiersonAMP 6m6 minutes ago
Smich reduced contact w MD starting May 7th. Why not sooner. "I was scared/confused. After what I saw on the 6th. I was utterly shocked."

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 6m6 minutes ago
He says he told her police had gone to see Dell, and he was identified by two things and believed Arthur Jennings was the one who'd called.

Peter Akman &#8207;@PeterAkmanCTV 5m5 minutes ago
Smich to his ex-gf "I was the one who told her... I told her it was about a stolen truck. I didn't get too much into it." #Bosma @CTVNews

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
He says she asked what happened, and he told her it was about the stolen truck. "Didn't get into too much conversation about it on that day"

Colin Butler &#8207;@ColinButlerCBC 6m6 minutes ago
Smich recounting how he told Meneses about Millard's arrest and finally spilled the beans on what happened. #TimBosma

Lisa Hepfner &#8207;@HefCHCHNews 5m5 minutes ago
Smich is describing his conversations with girlfriend Marlena Meneses about the #TimBosma truck.After Millard arrest & news broke especially

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
After Millard's arrest it started coming on the news. "She asked me questions and I tried telling her, w/o getting into too much detail."

 

[SuperSpy]

You can't start most of these trucks without the chipped key. They will start and run for 20 seconds and shut down.

 

[ArianeEmory]

I don't know what to think about MS's testimony now, but the fact that he's giving this story/version of events at all is leading me to believe he wasn't actually involved in LB's murder. Guess we'll find out.

(I understand that the two trials are technically separated, and that his testimony now isn't relevant to the LB trial.)

 

[SnooperDuper]

Colin Butler &#8207;@ColinButlerCBC 5m5 minutes ago
He says he tried to answer her questions without getting into too much detail. #TimBosma

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 6m6 minutes ago
Dungey asks what he told her. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner &#8207;@HefCHCHNews 5m5 minutes ago
"She got very curious, pressuring me." "I told her Dell shot Mr. Bosma. I told her Dell burned Mr. Bosma."

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
"I told her that Dell shot Mr #Bosma. I told her Dell burned Mr Bosma," Smich says.

Peter Akman &#8207;@PeterAkmanCTV 5m5 minutes ago
Smich to ex-gf "I told her Dell shot Mr. #Bosma. I told her Dell burned Mr Bosma." @CTVNews

Colin Butler &#8207;@ColinButlerCBC 6m6 minutes ago
"I told her that Dell shot Mr Bosma. I told her that Dell burned Mr Bosma," Smich says. #TimBosma

 

[SnooperDuper]

Shannon Martin &#8207;@ShannonMartinTV 6m6 minutes ago Vaughan, Ontario
Smich on telling his gf 'I told her Dell shot Mr. Bosma. Dell burned Mr. Bosma' he pauses and looks down #Bosma #HamOnt

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 6m6 minutes ago
He says she pressed him on a few issues and he told her "as little as possible." #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner &#8207;@HefCHCHNews 6m6 minutes ago
Meneses asked what Smich's involvement was. "I told her as little as possible," Smich says.

Susan Clairmont &#8207;@susanclairmont 6m6 minutes ago
"I think I was the one who told her the police went to see Dell and he was identified by two things

Susan Clairmont &#8207;@susanclairmont 6m6 minutes ago
and he believed Arthur Jennings was the one who called police about him. She asked what happened and I said it was about the truck...

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 6m6 minutes ago
He doesn't think she asked if he had any involvement in burning the body. "I told her what happened. I told her I was just there." #Bosma

 

[CJPRINCESS]

We do say this with the knowledge of the other two alleged murders though. MS was not afraid of DM IMO. He was his "partner in crime" , his "bro from another ho" and knew about everything DM was capable of. As well as what he himself was capable of.

MOO

Im wondering what evidence is on MS for LB'S murder.

Also, I believe most of his testimony except for "he didn't help put TB'S body in the incinerator due to his arm" because he said "he helped remove the seats" That Seat assembly is awkward and heavy! They removed it in one piece according to the exhibit photos.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Alex Pierson &#8207;@AlexpiersonAMP 6m6 minutes ago
After DM arrest smich says marlena asked questions. He told her bits and pieces. As little as possible. "Del shot Mr Bosma. Burned Bosma."

Lisa Hepfner &#8207;@HefCHCHNews 6m6 minutes ago
"Nothing was supposed to happen the way that it did," Smich looks at jury as he says this. Meneses told him to go to police

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 6m6 minutes ago
"Nothing was supposed to happen the way that it did," he says. She told him to go to the police. He didn't. #Bosma

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 6m6 minutes ago
He says he was in denial. "I did not kill Mr #Bosma. I was scared and confused. I had so much going through my mind."

Lisa Hepfner &#8207;@HefCHCHNews 6m6 minutes ago
"I didn't go to police because I was in denial. I did not kill Mr Bosma... I should have listened to her in the first place."

Peter Akman &#8207;@PeterAkmanCTV 5m5 minutes ago
Smich "I did not kill Mr. #Bosma. I was scared and confused. I had so many things going through my mind." @CTVNews