Bosma Murder Trial 05.11.16 - Day 47 - Smich Defence commences

[Claroon]

Sorry for the long post, but I really can't find MS saying that they moved the body inside of the incinerator. Here are the relevant twits from p. 39 of this thread. Is it the "huffed and puffed" part that DM did it himself? I'm surprised that it was not clarified. Can anybody confirm or direct?

Read them and put 2 and 2 together.

It wasn't actually stated he did, just went from opening the lid to ... I believe we assume he did it himself. IMO

MS doesn't want to admit to touching the body because that is a crime in itself. IMO

 

[SuperSpy]

Why I'm asking about the incinerator details is because it appears that the body was on the truck bed at some point.... Based on the multiple splashes in the well, and the luminol photo of the rear gate.

I agree. I wonder if DM put TB in the bed of the truck and then backed the truck up to the incinerator to get him in. Would be somewhat easier than lifting him from the ground.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Random thought, not up to date on this thread so if it's been mentioned, please forgive me.

I, at first never thought anything of MS' purple shirt today. When I read Jug's post it dawned on me- Purple was/is the colour they used for the "remembering Tim" banners. Interesting, trying to connect with the victim's family on a personal level during the most heart wrenching testimony.

Some reporters have said that the shirt was red, including Susan Clairmont. I don't think it was purple as in the colour that Tim's family has attributed to remembering him.
jmo

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 8h8 hours ago
@susanclairmont @AdamCarterCBC it's a purplish pink. Redish.

 

[ArianeEmory]

Why I'm asking about the incinerator details is because it appears that the body was on the truck bed at some point.... Based on the multiple splashes in the well, and the luminol photo of the rear gate.

Someone else pointed this out earlier today. I was paying very close attention to this part of the testimony--which went by VERY quickly--and I saw nothing that would explain why the luminol testing turned up blood in the truck bed.

My only theory/question, which no one answered, is if at some point the Dodge's bloodied seats were put in the bed before they were burned? Does anyone remember if that was mentioned or sounds possible? From there, the particulate blood evidence could have been spread around the truck bed during washing.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Then he was a complete idiot. Period. Can't explain stupid.

You've been following this case daily since it started and you've just figured that out?

 

[Claroon]

Do you think it's possible MS gave this statement to police after his arrest and the crown based their evidence on his statement? It's astounding how his testimony lines up with the evidence.

Astounding as in too good to be true?

 

[Typhoo1961]

Who is MB? I also don't recall it being testified to that TB was in the incinerator during the drive from farm to hangar. Do you mean MS? If so, I will search the tweets. TY!

Yes I meant MS. Sorry. I was tired, hungry and still sore from my adventures in St. Joe's ER on Monday evening. I wasn't 100% accurate when posting.Generally I check before I hit the post button.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Do you think it's possible MS gave this statement to police after his arrest and the crown based their evidence on his statement? It's astounding how his testimony lines up with the evidence.

Yes, he has partially fabricated a story that lines up with the evidence that he was given. He didn't give a statement.

 

[deugirtni]

Why I'm asking about the incinerator details is because it appears that the body was on the truck bed at some point.... Based on the multiple splashes in the well, and the luminol photo of the rear gate.

When the 2 accuseds loaded up the red Ram to take stuff from TB's truck to the farm to burn, couldn't that be where the blood in the truck-bed came from? They removed the seats at the hangar, and I'm assuming they would have put them in the bed, and apparently they had blood on them.

Remember when SS testified that DM had told him he drove it with no seats, and sat on a bucket to drive it? Didn't MS testify today that the seats didn't come out until the truck was already at the hangar? I guess DM made that bucket story up for SS's sake?

ETA nevermind this post, I'm getting my trucks mixed up. I was thinking the blood in the truckbed came from putting the seats and et al in there, but they were supposedly put in the red ram, and not TB's truck bed, so... how the blood got into TB's truck bed is up for grabs?

 

[Gibson67]

I get the feeling that the plan wasn't to have the yukon follow. I think the plan was to scope out the truck just like the previous day..but something just clicked in DM's mind when he got into the truck to change the plan...It's awful to think in that split second from TB's driveway to the field DM decided he was going for it and that Tim was going to be the victim. He then came up with some lie that his friend was waiting in the field because he couldn't find the Tim Hortons, tells MS to jump in with the friend in the yukon but grabs keys from the cup holder? this is where I get lost..how would TB not see Smich get in the driver's side of the yukon? My thinking is that DM pulled a gun on TB right after that and held it on him otherwise I can't see why he would not have found the stop in the field suspicious and get out of the truck.

 

[meterclicks]

Someone else pointed this out earlier today. I was paying very close attention to this part of the testimony--which went by VERY quickly--and I saw nothing that would explain why the luminol testing turned up blood in the truck bed.

My only theory/question, which no one answered, is if at some point the Dodge's bloodied seats were put in the bed before they were burned? Does anyone remember if that was mentioned or sounds possible? From there, the particulate blood evidence could have been spread around the truck bed during washing.

It was said that they forgot the seats at the hangar and that's why they turned back, maybe they put them in them the truck bed. Seems plausible.

ETA: "Smich says as they were leaving, Millard realized he had forgotten the burned out seats. They went back for them, put them inside the trailer, and left.
by Adam Carter 2:53 PM" so maybe not, they were already burned out.

 

[Typhoo1961]

I'm sure Typhoo meant MS.

I did.

 

[Claroon]

Someone else pointed this out earlier today. I was paying very close attention to this part of the testimony--which went by VERY quickly--and I saw nothing that would explain why the luminol testing turned up blood in the truck bed.

My only theory/question, which no one answered, is if at some point the Dodge's bloodied seats were put in the bed before they were burned? Does anyone remember if that was mentioned or sounds possible? From there, the particulate blood evidence could have been spread around the truck bed during washing.

This article says, "There also was blood on a tarp found in the bed of the pickup truck, blood on the undercarriage, and blood on the muffler."
So I don't think there was blood in the bed aside from the tarp. I didn't hear anyone admit to the seats being put in there. They did have to get to the farm somehow later, however. IMO

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ckup-truck-murder-trial-told/article28731136/

 

[ArianeEmory]

When the 2 accuseds loaded up the red Ram to take stuff from TB's truck to the farm to burn, couldn't that be where the blood in the truck-bed came from? They removed the seats at the hangar, and I'm assuming they would have put them in the bed, and apparently they had blood on them.

Remember when SS testified that DM had told him he drove it with no seats, and sat on a bucket to drive it? Didn't MS testify today that the seats didn't come out until the truck was already at the hangar? I guess DM made that bucket story up for SS's sake?

I am bad with visualizing the trucks and that kind of evidence, but I believe the blood luminol result came from the bed of Tim's truck, not the red one. I don't know if we ever heard that the seats were in the bed of Tim's truck. I've been asking.

 

[Claroon]

It was said that they forgot the seats at the hangar and that's why they turned back, maybe they put them in them the truck bed. Seems plausible.

I took it that was after they were already burned out:

"Adam CarterVerified account
‏@AdamCarterCBC
Smich says as they were leaving, Millard realized he had forgotten the burned out seats. #TImBosma #Bosma"

 

[ArianeEmory]

This article says, "There also was blood on a tarp found in the bed of the pickup truck, blood on the undercarriage, and blood on the muffler."
So I don't think there was blood in the bed aside from the tarp. I didn't hear anyone admit to the seats being put in there. They did have to get to the farm somehow later, however. IMO

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ckup-truck-murder-trial-told/article28731136/

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamil...t-happened-inside-truck-expert-says-1.3479265

Let it load and look at the first/main photo.

 

[spanishshara]

Too bad the video is blurry but at least it's something. Obviously MS could be lying and matching up his story to the video but it does make sense.

IMO TD was right to question McLellan as to why no tests were done to fire a .380 at the glass and see if it would shatter the way it did. Because that would actually tell a lot in regards to MS testimony.

 

[Jug Up]

Yes, any sensible person would just have his buddy drive up and if buddy was to follow, would follow. The only thing I can think is they didn't want anyone knowing it was a Yukon.

My question is, I know the sun was setting, but I'd think TB would see no one was in the car. Also what's the discrepancy between parking it on a sideroad and coming out of the farm lot like the neighbour said? And I assume the part about, "follow so we don't have to come back" meant TB would drive it back himself. But I'd be suspect if they said they were from Toronto but yet were headed West. IMO

I asked some of these very questions earlier today. One theory was Tim probably couldn't see inside of the Yukon because of the tinted windows.

But I have the same questions. Surely TB, especially after hearing his wife's concerns about going for that test drive at that time of night, knew something was up. Turning around because the friend couldn't find the Tim Horton's, driving around the corner from his house to see the friend parked in a remote field instead of coming back to look for DM and MS at the Bosma home, driving to Brantford on a test run instead of staying "local" ? Something not adding up. I think at some point, TB was being held against his will, or worse, while still in the immediate vicinity of his home, and MS knows it, as well. TB was very close to his home, he knew the area, and he knew there was no reason to go to Brantford at 9:30 on a Monday night with two strangers, one of whom was following in a vehicle that was parked in a neighbour's field, ten minutes after these two shady characters came walking up his driveway?

Sorry, not buying what MS is selling.

 

[CJPRINCESS]

Yes when did he change clothes? Like I said earlier... Being shot that close there would be more then a little spatter

At the farm while they were there for about an hour? That would be my guess.

 

[meterclicks]

I took it that was after they were already burned out:

"Adam CarterVerified account
‏@AdamCarterCBC
Smich says as they were leaving, Millard realized he had forgotten the burned out seats. #TImBosma #Bosma"

Yeah, I just added a similar quote to my post. I was looking for it and posted too quickly. Thanks