Bosma Murder Trial 05.19.16 - Day 52

[deugirtni]

I missed that thanks! Still looking for where I'm sure someone testified the phone is what's needed to recover data.

It was said by someone along the way that getting records from the carrier would not supply LE with the texts, that the actual phone would be required for that.. so LE was fortunate in obtaining many phones/devices. It didn't really specify whether it was the phone itself, the simcard inside, or both that are required. Then that link seems to suggest that the sim itself isn't much either, but that the s/n is what can get details from the carrier, but then we are back at square one, so I have no clue. Personally, it feels like DM's defence team are making a big to-do about not much. I personally don't feel like it is evil to dispose of a sim card if the account is no longer in use, and as has been suggested by a few here, a sim card can be inserted into various phones at various times, so perhaps MS only had one in use at the time?

 

[deugirtni]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?306707-Who-do-you-think-shot-TB-Millard-or-Smich

I do t know if we have historic data though.

Oh, thanks! I didn't know about that poll!

Also, as I was reading through the posts... remember when AM testified that DM had asked him which man to steal the truck from... was this *before* or *after* the test drive with IT took place?

 

[Errrr]

Ok, I must need glasses because that says 88.16% that DM shot TB and only 11.84% think that MS shot TB. No comments indicating alot of people changing their mind that MS pulled the trigger instead of DM.

I've actually seen more people say that MS may be innocent of Murder. There have been many more fence sitters (MS'S fence) since MS took the stand. So no, IMO, DM'S defense team has taken the opposite affect of non-effective.

MOO

I looked at it early in the week when it was over 90% for DM. That's what I mean by no historic data.

 

[Errrr]

Oh, thanks! I didn't know about that poll!

Also, as I was reading through the posts... remember when AM testified that DM had asked him which man to steal the truck from... was this *before* or *after* the test drive with IT took place?

Before

 

[deugirtni]

Just revisited SS's testimony on DM's volatility via this article:http://cnews.canoe.com/CNEWS/Crime/2016/04/05/22620688.html

"“He has no fear,” Schlatman said of Millard.

He drove so recklessly Schlatman wouldn’t get into a car with him: “I did once and said I’d never do it again,” he said.

“Crazy, carefree,” Schlatman described Millard. “He could go off and do whatever he wanted, whenever he wanted.

And he could be controlling, the jury heard.

Schlatman said he learned not to question his boss because if he did Millard grew upset and angry"

Which reminds me. I think it odd that DM's defence team is trying to strategize that MS has an anger problem and therefore he had to have been the one to murder TB. What does this crime have to do with anger exactly? This was a planned theft and probably a planned murder to facilitate the theft. Whatever needed to be done to reach that goal would be done. Anger not required. moo

 

[deugirtni]

Perhaps for one this: "May 10 9:00 am During a.m. hours, Smich (iPad) sends Millard a series of messages which were later deleted. Content unrecoverable." (billandrew spreadsheet)

And the ipad is where they obtained some of the stuff from MS, wasn't it?

 

[deugirtni]

Ok, I must need glasses because that says 88.16% that DM shot TB and only 11.84% think that MS shot TB. No comments indicating alot of people changing their mind that MS pulled the trigger instead of DM.

I've actually seen more people say that MS may be innocent of Murder. There have been many more fence sitters (MS'S fence) since MS took the stand. So no, IMO, DM'S defense team has taken the opposite affect of non-effective.

MOO

Now at 88.31% for DM as shooter, vs 11.69% MS

 

[deugirtni]

Mine does! (Any cellular capable iPad can have a SIM)

When I first heard about MS's behaviour with his phones after DM's arrest my impression at the time was that he was hiding and was afraid he could be tracked via his phones. I always assumed that's why the SIMs went and his phones stayed.

He was also a drug dealer for probably a number of years, and I'm sure he took precautions to conceal those dealings and communications as much as possible so as not to out his customers in the event he got investigated. moo

 

[Deleted member 102539]

It was said by someone along the way that getting records from the carrier would not supply LE with the texts, that the actual phone would be required for that.. so LE was fortunate in obtaining many phones/devices. It didn't really specify whether it was the phone itself, the simcard inside, or both that are required. Then that link seems to suggest that the sim itself isn't much either, but that the s/n is what can get details from the carrier, but then we are back at square one, so I have no clue. Personally, it feels like DM's defence team are making a big to-do about not much. I personally don't feel like it is evil to dispose of a sim card if the account is no longer in use, and as has been suggested by a few here, a sim card can be inserted into various phones at various times, so perhaps MS only had one in use at the time?

He said he used different phones for different (drug-) customers.

 

[deugirtni]

It was said by someone along the way that getting records from the carrier would not supply LE with the texts, that the actual phone would be required for that.. so LE was fortunate in obtaining many phones/devices. It didn't really specify whether it was the phone itself, the simcard inside, or both that are required. Then that link seems to suggest that the sim itself isn't much either, but that the s/n is what can get details from the carrier, but then we are back at square one, so I have no clue. Personally, it feels like DM's defence team are making a big to-do about not much. I personally don't feel like it is evil to dispose of a sim card if the account is no longer in use, and as has been suggested by a few here, a sim card can be inserted into various phones at various times, so perhaps MS only had one in use at the time?

Just taking this a step further.. so say the police have MS's samsung cellphone.. but for the say one year that he has been using it, he has swapped out sim cards for whatever reason at various times, back and forth, whatever.. now police find the samsung with one sim card.. what can they retrieve from it? Everything that happened on that phone while using only that sim card? Or everything? Or would each sim card used in that samsung have to be inserted physically into the phone to be able to see which texts were sent and received while each separate sim card was in it??

 

[CJPRINCESS]

I looked at it early in the week when it was over 90% for DM. That's what I mean by no historic data.

Ahh, gotcha. I thought I was going mad again lol

I think the only way to know, would be to have a fresh new poll posted. I don't think your vote can be changed, only new voters can vote in the poll. It's a small 2% increase and not everyone has seen that poll yet.

Still DM with 68-9 by a landslide.

 

[deugirtni]

I looked at it early in the week when it was over 90% for DM. That's what I mean by no historic data.

So we have posted what it's at tonight.. 'we' should post the stats periodically over the next week so we can keep track of the way things are swaying up until deliberation days.

eta: if they had the text with the 'strike-through text', I would use that for the above, as it has been pointed out that once one votes, it cannot be changed if your belief happens to change.

 

[deugirtni]

Ahh, gotcha. I thought I was going mad again lol

I think the only way to know, would be to have a fresh new poll posted. I don't think your vote can be changed, only new voters can vote in the poll. It's a small 2% increase and not everyone has seen that poll yet.

Still DM with 68-9 by a landslide.

Ah, you're right, you can't change your mind, you are forever held to have the same belief! That kind of sucks.

 

[THXGuru]

It is absolutely astonishing to read what is going on in the late stages of this trial. Mark Smich cannot remember where gun is, has seven criminal convictions, claims he is "innocent" and called Delllen Millard the name Walt Disney. He also helped clean up the crime, changed license plates, had a bad shoulder, was going to get an MRI, went to his sisters wedding, was scared and worried, the list can go on. Let's not forget he was a drug dealer, beat his girlfriend, had a grade 10 eduction.

The end of this has become a farce, hopefully no further questions by the Crown, lets get on the guilty verdicts please!!!!

 

[MrsThreadgoode]

I was re-reading the thread for Trial Day 35. There were a number of tweets regarding MS's phones and iPad.

One of the phones, a Blackberry, did still have its "media card". I know that Blackberries aren't the same as other cellphones, but is a "media card" the same thing as a SIM card? Can a Blackberry's media card be used in other cellphones that use SIM cards?

We don't have any cellphones in our home, lol [emoji4]



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[Deleted member 102539]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
Smich says he'd like to use another word to describe Millard that night but is going to hesitate from using it. #Bosma

don't leave us hanging! what word?

I'm guessing 'possessed'

Monster?

 

[Arnie M]

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Can somebody help me please

I want to painstakingly go through all the Super Sucker Video timing issues but I think something is missing regarding the "extra two truck sightings" brought out by the defense .... do we know the times as recorded on the original SS video ?? Please help me if anyone knows.

I think the following is pretty much agreed on by both sides (using original SS times)

5:46 .... Yukon first seen going south on Trinity
6:20 .... Bosma truck seen going North on Trinity
6:20 .... Yukon going north on Trinity 3 seconds behind Bosma truck

How come the other 2 similar truck sightings are given in the "adjusted-corrected times" of 9:05 and 9:15
I cannot do an accurate comparison unless those sightings also use the original SS times . Thanks

 

[andreww]

Just caught up -- even that was exhausting.

For those who feel like they are in the Twilight Zone due to some of us wavering (or being uncertain) on MS--I can only speak for myself, but I don't want you to feel that way. I know I'm not being fully objective, which I keep saying. I am, however, sure the jury will do the right thing. They're there every day and they see and hear all the things the rest of us don't. And they see the Bosmas every day.

Any thoughts on why Sachak hasn't brought up the sausage texts? Or will that be the grand finale? He obviously doesn't mind implicating DM (as the receiver of the texts).

And finally, I have a short poll for you guys:

1. Did you call 911?

2. Why didn't you call 911?

First I just want to say I hate all this "hope the jury does the right thing" and "justice for the Bosma's" crap. Mark Smich has the right to tell his story and defend himself. I do not want to see him put at for life just so the Bosma's can sleep better. I do not want the jury to even consider the Bosma's when making their decision. This is a complicated enough case without bringing emotion in to it.

As for the sausage texts, Sachak can not bring them up because it would be an admission of intent by both sides. Smich sent the texts but Millard received them and undoubtedly knew what they meant. The crown will have a field day with them though.

Calling 911? Remember, it wouldn't just be Millard that would be going to jail. Smich would have been investigated and all the illegal stuff he was doing would be discovered.

 

[musicaljoke]

I have been shocked by the negative reaction to Sachak's cross. Parts of it were very effective IMO.

As I was heading home today I ran into a regular courtroom watcher, an older man I've never spoken to before. He told me he found this morning's cross "devastating" and he meant devastating to MS not Sachak.

I was starting to feel alone in thinking that MS's testimony was absolutely staggering. While I agree that Sachak seemed laborous, he managed to get MS to confess to their presence and participation in an entire string of significant events in this horrendous crime. So, yes, Sachak's questioning was tiring, but so were the comments about how tiring he was.

A question: From the tweets, it seemed to me that DM's mood change when MS said that the murder took place when DM was driving alone in the vehicle with TB. Is that accurate? If so, imo, DM believed that he could blame the shooting on MS because they were in the same vehicle when it happened. I wonder if DM never anticipated that MS would testify that the shooting happened when MS was following in the Yukon.

 

[ABro]

I find it even more strange that nobody got an expert to reveal his/her opinion on from where the shot originated. The Gerard fellow could have done that, except he hadn't been offered up to be qualified as that expert, but he easily could have been, so why not?

It was Jones that was the shooting reconstructionist not Gerard, and he was not qualified to testify on that topic at this trial-- only about blood spatter.

The reason no one testified about it because there is NOT enough information to say where the shot/s came from.

I'm not sure why people find this so hard to accept.

I wrote before about how WSers want "the truth" and believe they can have it. People like the cops understand you can't always find out "the truth" and they accept that.

In this case, the only two people who actually know the truth are both telling completely different self-interested stories that conflict with other evidence presented. And yet, there seems to be a willingness to believe Smich because he promised he would tell "the truth." Even though he has been exposed as having very shaky testimony in many key areas, his promise of "the truth" still holds up for a number of WSers.

Eventually, we will find out what the jury thinks of it.