Bosma Murder Trial 05.19.16 - Day 52

[cckp72]

IIRC Cell records for both DM and TB's phones clearly indicated they were on the phone with each other, at 9:05pm as DM and MS were walking up the Bosma driveway.

So... this stuff about the 3 of them being in TB's truck together passing the Super Sucker at the exact same time, is so far out in left field, it might as well be in the magical forest.

Thank you! I thought I was losing my mind.

 

[Just4TB]

IIRC Cell records for both DM and TB's phones clearly indicated they were on the phone with each other, at 9:05pm as DM and MS were walking up the Bosma driveway.

So... this stuff about the 3 of them being in TB's truck together passing the Super Sucker at the exact same time, is so far out in left field, it might as well be in the magical forest.

Actually, Plaxton during Pillay cross, admitted timestamp on video could be off by 3 hours 10 minutes as Pillay suggested.
The cell records are accurate, the video timestamp is not accurate

 

[meterclicks]

Sachak says they have illustrated that the timestamp on the videos "might be somewhat off." He then quickly moves on.
by Adam Carter 11:21 AM

Sachak says this shows there's a truck going south about ten minutes after the first.
by Adam Carter 11:22 AM

Sachak still pointing out the similarities to the Bosma truck in the second video he's presenting from 9:15 p.m.
by Adam Carter 11:25 AM

 

[ArianeEmory]

I've noticed that even a couple of random commentors on twitter (who are normally very 'anti' both DM/MS (understandably so)) are calling out NS on the time he's spending on cross, and on this truck timeline stuff in particular.

(I also noticed one of the jornos (AC?) basically said "Sachak is repeating himself over and over so I'm not going to type as much". You guys probably caught this earlier.)

 

[RandomName479]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 3m3 minutes ago
Smich says time stamp on video doesn't match up to phone records. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 3m3 minutes ago
"The time stamp on the video may be somewhat off," Sachak says his team has been trying to make that point for months.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 3m3 minutes ago
Smich also says Sachak's theory would be impossible based on the phone records. #Bosma

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 4m4 minutes ago
Sachak says they have illustrated that the timestamp on the videos "might be somewhat off." He then quickly moves on. #TimBosma #Bosma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 3m3 minutes ago
Sachak shows jury surveillance 915 Bosma type truck moving south on Trinity towards where yukon is parked. @AM900CHML

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 3m3 minutes ago
Sachak now showing a still from the SuperSuckers video, time stamped (adjusted time) 9:15. Shows vehicle driving south toward #Bosma house.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
So this is about 10 minutes since that last clip of vehicle (similar to #Bosma truck) going north.

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 3m3 minutes ago
Sachak says this shows there's a truck going south about ten minutes after the first. #TimBosma #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Smich agrees that it looks like there could be running lights on this latest vehicle shown. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
At what would be 9:15 pm, a truck that looks like #TimBosmas appears in front of Super Sucker facing the other direction

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
Now looking at another similar looking truck traveling in the other direction at 6.15.43. Smich reluctantly agrees it shares characteristics

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 39s40 seconds ago
Back to looking at Super Sucker video of single vehicle heading north.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 30s30 seconds ago
Now seeing another still that Smich agrees shows this vehicle also appears to have chrome rims. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 22s23 seconds ago
Now seeing another still that Smich agrees shows this vehicle also appears to have chrome wheels/running boards. #Bosma

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 16s17 seconds ago
Sachak still pointing out the similarities to the Bosma truck in the second video he's presenting from 9:15 p.m. #TimBosma #Bosma

 

[redheart]

I've noticed that even a couple of random commentors on twitter (who are normally very 'anti' both DM/MS (understandably so)) are calling out NS on the time he's spending on cross, and on this truck timeline stuff in particular.

(I also noticed one of the jornos (AC?) basically said "Sachak is repeating himself over and over so I'm not going to type as much". You guys probably caught this earlier.)

Yes, it's wearying. But to be fair, this timeline is absolutely critical to the case DM's defense is trying to make.

 

[meterclicks]

Sachak is saying a truck is seen going north at 9:05 p.m., and then going south at 9:15 p.m., and then north again at 9:20 p.m. followed by Millard's SUV. "That's not the Bosma vehicle, it's not an uncommon vehicle, especially for the area," Smich says.
by Adam Carter 11:28 AM

"In that ten minute test drive you shot Mr. Bosma, and you were coming to retrieve the GMC Yukon," Sachak says. "That's absolutely incorrect," Smich says.
by Adam Carter 11:29 AM

"It would be virtually impossible because of the times," Smich says. "Forget the times," Sachak says.
by Adam Carter 11:30 AM


Yes... forget such a critical component.

 

[ArianeEmory]

Yes, it's wearying. But to be fair, this timeline is absolutely critical to the case DM's defense is trying to make.

Understood, but then Sachak apparently just said this:

"Molly hayes @mollyhayes
"Forget the times," Sachak says. #Bosma"

 

[Just4TB]

NS in my opinion is getting closer to cracking MS shell today.

He is presenting an alternate theory, using (unverifiable) video evidence to support that DM, MS and TB went north past Super Suckers, then returned 10 minutes later, then rendezvous Yukon to Brantford.
Implication is that TB was murdered north of Super Suckers, which contradicts MS testimony.

Reality is neither MS lawyers nor DM lawyers can offer proof of who shot TB. If NS is successful in getting MS credibility eroded, then DM will have company on the way to the big house. IMO

 

[meterclicks]

We're now on the morning recess. Back in 20 mins.
by Adam Carter 11:31 AM

 

[RandomName479]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 36s36 seconds ago
Smich agrees there seems to be lights on top, chrome bumper and chrome running boards, chrome hubcaps like #bosma truck.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 45s46 seconds ago
Smich agrees this appears to have same characteristics as the #Bosma truck but says he's not sure about the running lights in first still

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 25s26 seconds ago
Sachak says Plaxton said that vehicle shared all the characteristics of the #Bosma truck.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 26s26 seconds ago
Sachak again says Plaxton says this vehicle travelling alone shared all same characteristics of #Bosma truck.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 25s25 seconds ago
Smich says his recollection was that he couldn't say for sure, but yes. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
Sachak again says Plaxton says this vehicle travelling alone shared all same characteristics of #Bosma truck.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Smich says his recollection was that he couldn't say for sure, but yes. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
Plaxton testified that the truck going south at 9:15pm (or so) looked very similar to #TimBosma truck, Sachak says.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Sachak is suggesting the same truck is driving north at 9:05/south at 9:15/north again at 9:20. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 2m2 minutes ago
Sachak remind Smich the video expert said the truck was similar to the #Bosma truck. "But you weren't paying attention were you?"

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 2m2 minutes ago
Sachak is extremely patronizing today, even for him. #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Smich says that's not the vehicle. He says it's not an uncommon truck, especially for that area. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
Smich says it is not the #Bosma vehicle. "It's not an uncommon vehicle."

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
Sachak wants Smich to explain why it looks like the #Bosma truck drives past Super Sucker & back before the video of Yukon following

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 2m2 minutes ago
Sachak mocking smich saying u shld have "paid more attn." Smich was mouthy when he said he doesn't listen to his cross exam. @AM900CHML

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
Smich says it's not the #Bosma truck. Sachak says he has to say that or his story will fall apart.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 2m2 minutes ago
Smich says the truck is not #Bosma's.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 3m3 minutes ago
Sachak says he has to say that because if he agreed it would show he lied about his evidence. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Smich says he can't provide an explanation because that's not what happened. #Bosma

 

[Ontario Mom]

Actually, Plaxton during Pillay cross, admitted timestamp on video could be off by 3 hours 10 minutes as Pillay suggested.
The cell records are accurate, the video timestamp is not accurate

Frankly, I think Sachak is full of baloney.

moo

 

[RandomName479]

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
"You shot Mr #Bosma and you were coming to retrieve the GMC Yukon," Sachak says.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Sachak says "during that 10 minute test drive you shot Mr. #Bosma and now you're true ring to retrieve the GMC Yukon."

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 2m2 minutes ago
Sachak" can u explain this remarkable coincidence the bosma truck is heading back to the bosma residence. MS; that is not the vehicle"

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Smich says "that's absolutely incorrect." He says the times show it's impossible. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
Sachak says if Smich changed his story now it would show his lie. Smich says he is telling the truth. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
If he changes his story it would expose his lies, Sachak says. Dungey is objecting. "You can't tell the individual testifying to shut up."

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
#Bosma morning recess.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 3m3 minutes ago
"Forget the times," Sachak says. #Bosma

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 3m3 minutes ago
"In that ten minute test drive you shot Mr. Bosma, and you were coming to retrieve the GMC Yukon," Sachak says. #TimBosma #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
We're taking the morning recess. #Bosma

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 3m3 minutes ago
"That's absolutely incorrect," Smich says. #TimBosma #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 3m3 minutes ago
Morning recess. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 3m3 minutes ago
Sachak suggests Smich is lying. "Answer what I'm telling you," he says. Dungey objects. #TimBosma

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 3m3 minutes ago
"It would be virtually impossible because of the times," Smich says. "Forget the times," Sachak says. #TimBosma #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 3m3 minutes ago
Jury taking morning break. #TimBosma

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 3m3 minutes ago
We're now on the morning recess. Back in 20 mins. #TimBosma #Bosma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 2m2 minutes ago
Sachak" in that 10 minute test drive u shot and kiilled mr Bosma. And u were coming back to get the Yukon. It shows your lies." @AM900CHML

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 2m2 minutes ago
Very heated. Verrrrrry heated. Jury out for a break. @AM900CHML

 

[Typhoo1961]

Frankly, I think Sachak is full of baloney.

moo

Same.

 

[ArianeEmory]

Frankly, I think Sachak is full of baloney.

moo

I've been posting less lately as I become less sure of my opinions, but I can say that the twitterverse does NOT like Sachak and the way he is conducting cross.

Don't get me wrong, they don't like MS much either, but their hatred of Sachak is beginning to outweigh that.

(I know that it's just social media opinion, but I find it interesting to watch the rise and fall of the tide of public opinion. The kind of people commenting on this case on twitter lately tend to be more obviously informed than, say, your typical Facebook comments section.)

 

[billandrew]

Frankly, I think Sachak is full of baloney.

moo

I actually have to agree with DM's defence on this one. The trucks spotted on the video at 9:05pm, 9:15pm, and 9:20pm are all TB's truck IMO. Same overall profile, same running lights, same shiny rims, same chrome running boards, etc.

The fact that the video times don't line up perfectly with the cell tower ping times is simply due to a slight time discrepancy between the two sources. If they're out by just a few minutes, then all of the evidence lines up perfectly.

This is revealing one of the major holes in MS's story, and I'm glad to see that MS is getting called out on it.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 3m3 minutes ago
"It would be virtually impossible because of the times," Smich says. "Forget the times," Sachak says. #TimBosma #Bosma @AM900CHML

Loosely translated: the time frame is SUPER important to Sachak to implicate the possibility that the single traveling truck was indeed Tim Bosma's truck (and that MS is lying about what happened) - unless - it can be demonstrated that the time frame can't possibly fit with the cell phone data, then, we should just all forget about the times. :facepalm:

 

[Hoop]

I think NS has finally made his point --- to cast doubt on MS's version and to give reason to believe all three were in the truck. There has never been an attempt to suggest DM was never there. Anyway --- I think we can happily move onto the Crown's turn now.

 

[RandomName479]

I actually have to agree with DM's defence on this one. The trucks spotted on the video at 9:05pm, 9:15pm, and 9:20pm are all TB's truck IMO. Same overall profile, same running lights, same shiny rims, same chrome running boards, etc.

The fact that the video times don't line up perfectly with the cell tower ping times is simply due to a slight time discrepancy between the two sources. If they're out by just a few minutes, then all of the evidence lines up perfectly.

This is explaining one of the major holes in MS's story, and I'm glad to see MS getting ripped apart on it.

I agree that the timestamps could be off, but why do you think the Crown didn't include them (9:05 and 9:15 trucks) in the initial testimony?

 

[JuneBug67]

Frankly, I think Sachak is full of baloney.

moo

It's hard to believe, but at first glance the time/distance assumptions actually do fit the Sachak/Pillay timeline better. But he's not hammering (yet) on that missing ten minutes I've been worried about between Super Sucker and the Bosma's as accused were arriving, so perhaps Smich did testify to something that would cover that seemingly extra time.

I still find this a tough call for truth. AJ had testified that he noticed the chrome running boards on Tim's truck in the media right away because they were unique and attractive. If chrome running boards are in fact a less-than-common feature of that truck there is a compelling case to argue that the solo sightings of the truck were most probably Tim's. What you would have to accept in this instance is that two people independently missed the extra ten minutes when they checked the video time stamp against known time sources. It's hard to pick which event is more likely - highly coincidental truck or two people that rounded up 10 minutes.

Smich does seem to be referencing the times/evidence more to refute NS, like he knows that evidence well, like he's studied it.