Bosma Murder Trial 05.19.16 - Day 52

[InducedLogic]

police searched DM farm on May 11, 2014 and announced they had found more 'remains', although they did not specify if they were human. May 21st 2014, 10 days later, DM and MS are charged with 1st degree in LB case.

 

[ABro]

That is surprising that you wouldn't see the same things others are obviously seeing, imo.

I see what others are seeing. I just don't give it the same weight they do.

In the end though, it's up to the jury to decide.

 

[Errrr]

I suspect that part of the plan, known by both DM and MS, was to shoot TB as DM slowly drove over the train tracks. As I stated in a previous post, that allowed him to really slow down, and keep control of the truck while he got his gun out, and then shot poor TB before he could react. I hope he never knew what happened, and did not suffer. DM may have also distracted him by asking him to look to the right, when he shot him --- what is that over there ? They knew they would have a quiet area where they could pull in, but neglected to consider the video surveillance near the Bobcat dealership. LE may actually have video showing the actual shooting, and the sounds of two gunshots, although it is very poor quality. IMO

I still think the original intent was to get TB to the farm in one piece.
I noticed that after NS cross exam that the percentage of people speculating on MS as the shooter went up. (Maybe it changes a lot?). Does this mean that DMs defence team is effective?

 

[Oreck]

Back in May 2013 when clues were coming out and discussion was going on I was sure a guy 'like' MS was the murderer. MOO

When DM was arrested, I too fell for the rich guy charm and thought 'wow how odd this guy cant really be involved'. My prejudice on a guy like MS for his rapping, shady sort of lifestyle made me join 'the MS pulling the trigger' line of thinking.

I have now gone 100% the opposite direction and feel, I too was duped by DM and his shenanigans. Too many people kept a blind eye to DM and gave him pass after pass. The letters really did it for me on top of all the other overwhelming evidence. To me DM is a total control freak playing his minions with unfulfilled promises. He gives them crums and keeps them hanging on with dreams that 'ONE DAY' they will finally get what was promised. I feel DM was desperate for the truck and he pulled the trigger VERY close to how MS states but I am not totally convinced about all of MS's testimony. JMO

There is still evasion and cover up to some extent but for the most part I think it is sound. I am hoping that the crown can use what we have learned these last four days to get 'some' more of the truth out there. I don't feel 'justice' is served until we get the truth out there at least as much as possible...revenge maybe but not justice. JMO

I find many opportunities where MS could have lied but did not embellish, this makes his story much more believable. He had alot of chances to say he saw the flash or heard the bangs, but he didn't. It is totally plausible with his limited driving experience that he was paying 100% attention on just driving. MOO

I also suspect his lack of driving and unfamiliarity added to his following DM rather than running off to dial 911 as Sachak kept pressing. He was lost out there in the dark and blindly following a set of tail lights for the entire ride to the farm. I do not feel he was getting tripped up at all in questioning, and the only thing that NEVER gets tripped up is the truth. I do feel there is evasion on the loading of the incinerator and the disposal of the gun, both things that could either incriminate MS or get him in more hot water (ie if he loads the incinerator then he gets indignity to a body added to the AATF and 2nd or manslaughter along with theft over 5K, AND if the gun went to MWJ he fears a threat, or the gun was to be made to disappear to avoid evidence for the MWJ trial) JMO

Hopefully DM's team gets it over quick tomorrow morning, I feel for the family and jury, the last four days have been brutal. The crown wont likely start until Tuesday now IMO.

I would also LOVE to know what ELSE he wanted the truck for as MS eluded to before being shut down. I wonder if it had to do with the extra compartments in the trailer SS was building...we will probably never know now.

Great post. Thanks.
Can you give us a reference to your last sentence please?

 

[Claroon]

The ever compassionate DM says oh no and then wants to call an ambulance. Then he decides to burn a mans body. Let's be 100% serious here no one was shot on the 403 that is a busy stretch of highway. As well no business after getting off at Wilson St caught the truck on camera from Wilson to Trinity that is all it is business. Also the guy who was unaware of the plan decides to drive around with a dead body beside him. Come on NS does any of it seem logical to you


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He could have gotten back on the 403 Westbound and not taken Wilson, IMO.

 

[Stratocaster]

GSR evidence predominantly coming from the drivers side, and a blown out passenger window seals the forensic deal for me, just sayin....the laws of physics in full effect IMO

 

[ABro]

GSR evidence predominantly coming from the drivers side, and a blown out passenger window seals the forensic deal for me, just sayin....the laws of physics in full effect IMO

Except for the fact that's not what Dr. Robert Gerard, GSR expert, testified.

 

[deugirtni]

police searched DM farm on May 11, 2014 and announced they had found more 'remains', although they did not specify if they were human. May 21st 2014, 10 days later, DM and MS are charged with 1st degree in LB case.

Do you have a link?

 

[ArianeEmory]

police searched DM farm on May 11, 2014 and announced they had found more 'remains', although they did not specify if they were human. May 21st 2014, 10 days later, DM and MS are charged with 1st degree in LB case.

I have this mentally filed as something that came from an unnamed police "source" as opposed to a direct quote. I remember we came away with the impression that nothing significant had been found at the farm. But on the other hand, I was just reading a 2014 article in the Toronto Sun where Laura's family was saying LE wouldn't tell them if any of her remains had been found.

 

[NoodlesMcgee]

I see what others are seeing. I just don't give it the same weight they do.

In the end though, it's up to the jury to decide.

I think it's more that the vast majority have a really bad feeling toward DM so trashing him or calling him a liar, like MS is doing is looked at positively while defending him is a no win situation.

 

[InducedLogic]

I have my dates wrong sorry and this is the only video i could find. It was a while ago I saw this, sorry for the confusion.
[video=youtube;2QmW20ABYNQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QmW20ABYNQ[/video]

Ill try to find the video of the reporter that was on the scene when the police again searched the farm in may 2014.

 

[ABro]

I think it's more that the vast majority have a really bad feeling toward DM so trashing him or calling him a liar, like MS is doing is looked at positively while defending him is a no win situation.

Yes, there does seem to be a "my enemy's enemy is my friend" aspect to it all.

 

[ArianeEmory]

Yes, there does seem to be a "my enemy's enemy is my friend" aspect to it all.

It's extremely pronounced with Dungey.

 

[ABro]

It's extremely pronounced with Dungey.

It's not an uncommon occurrence with two accused. When John Rosen crossed Homolka, he was hailed for it even though he just happened to be representing Paul Bernardo.

 

[Errrr]

They are going to believe Sachak and discount Smich I would think..

Don't believe either of them. Listen to the crown.

 

[Claroon]

The gun burial that MS can't remember anything about including why he taped it.

The missing SIM cards that MS can't explain. He left almost no electronic trail compared to DM.

MS's mother statement to the police that after DM was arrested he told her now he would no longer get his car.

There are many more examples.

This is a good collection you've put together. I'd skimmed through the tweets today and didn't catch that one from his mom. Yes, he certainly was covering his butt. Those missing/irretrievable text messages must have been very telling. And the missing hoodie. Why not say DM threw it in the burner because the clean up got blood on him--maybe that was the big flame--throwing the clothes in. (Speculating)

 

[canadiangirl]

The judge said on the opening day of this trial, circumstantial evidence has the same weight as direct evidence.The only direct evidence against DM so far is MS's testimony.

Could you explain what you mean when you say the only direct evidence against DM so far is MS testimony please? Sorry I can't bold from my phone

 

[deugirtni]

I see what others are seeing. I just don't give it the same weight they do.

In the end though, it's up to the jury to decide.

Yes for sure it's up to the jury. I think it may be more of a prejudice against 'goof-ism', no matter the race, color, religion, gender, accent, whatever. I should count how many times he has asked certain single questions. If he is looking for an answer different than what he received, that is disappointing, just as it was disappointing to hear so many 'I don't recalls' from AM and CN, but one can't cut the correct answer out of a witness to say something different than what they offer up. If he doesn't believe him, then call him a liar and move on. I don't think he needs to waste half a day of everyones' time on one or two questions. moo. I guess to each lawyer, his own style, but incessant sarcasm just isn't cutting it either, for many it seems, including myself. I may be mistaken, but I dont' really recall people having this same disdain for RP<modsnip> but who has a different demeanor (from memory). jmo

 

[deugirtni]

I still think the original intent was to get TB to the farm in one piece.
I noticed that after NS cross exam that the percentage of people speculating on MS as the shooter went up. (Maybe it changes a lot?). Does this mean that DMs defence team is effective?

Wow, really? NS's cross had the exact opposite effect on me. His client's account is full of holes, and now the 5% of me that was considering it *possible* that both were in the vehicle at the time of shooting, has gone to zero %. moo. Also, where is it seen what the percentage of people speculating on MS as the shooter? Is there a link?

 

[canadiangirl]

Isn't AM's testimony also considered direct evidence, wherein he said that DM's plan was to steal a truck at that time, and asking AM which guy to steal it from. I guess I have to look up what is considered direct evidence because I would have thought that some of the contents of DM's jailhouse letters would be considered direct evidence as well?

I agree. I assumed more then MS evidence was considered direct. We could be wrong though