I assume it was the only thing LE found when searching that parking area of the neighbour's field so was worth putting the question forth to see what MS might say or how he might react.
(All my opinion)
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I assume it was the only thing LE found when searching that parking area of the neighbour's field so was worth putting the question forth to see what MS might say or how he might react.
(All my opinion)
I had to do control scroll from the Youtube version to lower the title--he should have placed the title elsewhere on this one. IMO
If MS knew that the truck in that video was TB's, regardless of the fact that the time stamp suggested differently, he made a critical error when telling his "story" IMO. There is going to be at least one juror who uses that video to discount his version of events IMO. Because if that is TB's truck, and it sure appears that it is, not to mention no one has come forward to say they were driving on that road in a similar truck that night, then his story is a fabrication to fit the Crown's evidence. The only reason I could see him doing that would be because at the very least he was in the truck when TB was shot or he is the actual shooter.
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I'm in this camp. I would be shocked if it wasn't the same truck in all three instances (although you can't see the running lights in the southbound video because of the camera angle).
The argument seems to be, from others, that lots of people drive pickups in Ancaster. There are even people in Ancaster that may drive a black 3500. True enough but let's think of the law of averages.
If it is indeed the same truck in the 9:05 and 9:15 (adjusted time) clips, but not TB's, what are the chances of an almost identical make, model and colour driving northbound, then southbound TEN minutes later, on a Monday night after 9:00? The odds of any owner of a black 3500 with chrome wheels, running boards and running lights going out for a loaf or bread, cup of coffee or tank of gas up on Wilson (which is about all you would have time to do in those ten minutes) just as another guy up the street is being kidnapped and murdered for his black 3500 with chrome wheels, running boards and running lights would have to be considered extremely remote, at best.
And, like I said yesterday, even if you have the exact same truck and went out at that exact same time, as unlikely as that seems, do you not become at least concerned the next day? You find out a local guy is missing, living on the same road you happened to be driving on at almost the same time he went for a test drive in a truck almost identical to yours, you don't think of calling the police? Or, after he is found murdered and incinerated, you don't pick up the phone? You know, in case a video camera of a local business or a passerby happened to see your truck on Trinity at just that time? You don't call the police?
I sure as hell do.
EDIT: For clarity, I am not suggesting the Crown "missed" this. I just don't think they believed it was crucial to their case, and they not yet heard MS's version of what happened.
But it could still put a pause in the jury's mind if they think something nefarious occurred in the field.
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1. I looked up the conversion from metric to imperial to see if 14 grams is a conventional quantity weed would be sold in. It is. If a drug dealer went to the trouble of portioning the weed in front of the buyer, wouldn't it be obvious the scale wasn't cleared first? I would think the dealer weighs it in front of the buyer, instead or proportioned baggies, to offer reassurance they're getting what they paid for and taring the scale would be part of this. As I type this, i realise that it probably wasn't weighed in front of the buyer but beforehand and it makes more sense to me to measure 14grs and take away a bud or two. IMO.
But I've just spent way to much time thinking about something that will never happen.
2. I disagree about the lighter. I was a regular smoker and had disposable lighters all over the place and, of course, still could never find one when I need it. My husband loved his Zippo but only used it at home so it wouldn't get lost/stolen or run out of fuel. Do we know the THC lighter was a short lasting souvenir lighter? Is there a pic?
True, but in fairness, no one was likely looking for him by this point. I think they would have had more than enough time to get to the farm before anyone, save for maybe SB, was even aware what was going on.
Exactly, we're likely going to be getting a third version during the Crown's cross exam. And all three are not going to be the absolute truth or tell us what really happened. That we'll likely never know. Each juror will be going over the same things we are and might be just as confused as a group and will have a tough time making a decision. For that reason, I just want to know what the charge will be to the jury that allows for them, under the criminal code, to unanimously agree to guilty of 1st degree murder for both of them when the events surrounding the murder are so murky.
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We can all be glad LE has so much evidence and that they apprehended the culprits. In murder cases on the Forensic Files TV show, I don't see as much evidence in many cases. In some cases, the perps are never figured out. IMO
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So then, this lighter was found in the field in a different area than where MS said the Yukon was parked.
There is no proof either way that this lighter does or does not belong to either MS or DM.
Apparently there were no prints or DNA (assuming it was tested?)
It can't even be entered into evidence.
This lighter could actually belong to someone completely unrelated to the case.
Are we even sure this is a lighter, or a really bright red herring? :thinking:
There is no proof either way that this lighter does or does not belong to either MS or DM.
Apparently there were no prints or DNA (assuming it was tested?)
It can't even be entered into evidence.
This lighter could actually belong to someone completely unrelated to the case.
Are we even sure this is a lighter, or a really bright red herring? :thinking:
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I am curious to see whether a first degree conviction hinges on forcible confinement, planning/deliberation, or either one. Staff Sgt Matt Kavanagh stated that the first degree murder charges were laid based on forcible confinement. As he stated to the press, "Mr. Bosma entered his vehicle of his own free will but he was not allowed to leave, and therefore first degree is the appropriate charge." If this holds for the trial, then in order to convict both DM and MS the jury will have to conclude that they acted jointly to forcibly confine TB. This may (or may not) require that both of them were in the vehicle when TB was killed.
If planning and deliberation is the qualifier, then in order to convict them both of first degree murder the jury must conclude that they acted jointly in the planning of a murder. If the jury concludes that DM and MS jointly planned and carried out the murder, then it matters not who was in the vehicle or who pulled the trigger, they will both be guilty of first degree murder.
I guess the hoses are not going to be discussed anymore? Do we just pretend that issue never came up? Will Crown somehow mention hoses in closing statement - can't see that as it has not been discussed with a witness or expert?
Like DM would leave the incinerator, TB's body, bloody truck, etc... with MS, who could have called police, or who knows what in DM's absence..... if MS was the one that messed up? Would DM trust him alone with all that evidence so blatantly out there? Doubt it.
I don't think the truck in the 9:05 and 9:15 videos WAS relevant to the Crown's case at all. They are obviously much more concerned in the 8:46 and 9:20 videos, for obvious reasons.
For everyone else, the 9:05 and 9:15 videos, are very important discussion points. If that is indeed TB's truck, then MS is lying about his story. And if he is lying about his story, he is probably lying about who pulled the trigger. I would say the Crown, and the jury, would be very interested in knowing that, now that MS is telling his version of what happened.
Look forward to hearing your thoughts....
If DM went to get gas, where is his receipt with date and time stamp to prove? Even if he paid cash, he would still have a receipt...
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Potential it wasn't allowed to be brought up by the judge
Not necessarily. I get gas all time the time, even with my credit card, and unless I am writing it off or it is for work travel, I never take the receipt.
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CAN the juror use that to discount MS story since it was never entered into evidence against the accused? Not sure how that works? It's NS version of events
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Is it necessary to prove DM went for gas? MS and DM both seem to acknowledge that. To me, the only reason it would be significant is if he actually left for other reasons, like to sing songs to his gf from a pay phone [emoji12].
A trip to the gas station should be easy to prove with credit or debit records and security videos.
You would think DM would have told his lawyers that he got gas, therefore away from the scene for 1/2 hour, and MS could have done who knows what to implicate him in that 1/2 hour. You'd also think he would have been forthcoming with which gas station, and who served him, and exactly what he purchased....
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