Bosma Murder Trial 05.24.16 - Day 54

[JuneBug67]

Did not know that. That is chilling. I guess the truth is stranger than fiction.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/2016/04/14/the-truth-behind-fargos-true-story/

 

[MrsThreadgoode]

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 6m6 minutes ago
Fraser says Smich and Millard knew the significance of phones and tracking, and that's why their phones went silent. #TimBosma #Bosma

This makes sense to me, but why in the world did DM did NOT shut off HIS phone?

Just guessing here ... Perhaps by DM's incomprehensible, twisted logic, only Lucas Bate's phone tracking could connect Lucas to these crimes?

MOO


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[JuneBug67]

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 6m6 minutes ago
Fraser says Smich and Millard knew the significance of phones and tracking, and that's why their phones went silent. #TimBosma #Bosma

This makes sense to me, but why in the world did DM did NOT shut off HIS phone?

I tend to think the evidence actually supports that MS's phone died. It was later in the evening, which makes it plausible, and he tried to message MM much later from the hangar using the iPad.

 

[hellkat2]

Agreed (about DM being full of it). A pet is a member of its owner's family, and I'd expect that most pet owners want their pet to be treated with respect and dignity when it comes to cremation, as they would for a human family member. When grandma dies, you don't send her off to The Eliminator. Likewise, I think most people would be appalled at the idea of tossing little Fluffy in that thing.

Absolutely most would not feel comfortable dumping fluffy into that thing. But I wonder if farmers who raise cattle for example for beef may have use for this kind of thing. Animals must die by accident or old age maybe? So maybe this is why it would not be weird to purchase something like this if you owned a farm. But to write eliminator on it? DM took the bother to have this painted on it didn't he? Not something I think the manufacturer would stamp on it.

 

[brightii]

I think he just simply forgot. DM is not good with details. This would be one of those details that he missed.

The phone got easily overlooked I imagine when distracted in the heat of the moment while stealing a truck and murdering a victim and making a mad dash to the farm to use the Eliminator. These guys had their bloody hands full.

All MOO.

 

[ADAWG]

I think he just simply forgot. DM is not good with details. This would be one of those details that he missed.

Remember his idea was to say he normally lent his phone out. His plan was to leave it on to say whoever he lent it to was trying to frame him.

 

[RandomName479]

What? And miss calls from CN, LW_2, and Jenn?

MOO

This may be the best explanation yet! MOO....

 

[hellkat2]

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 7m7 minutes ago
Smich says he was doing stencils with graffiti at this time, and the gloves were for that. #TimBosma #Bosma

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 7m7 minutes ago
Smich says he needed gloves for painting, and the "orange guy" is Oxycodone. #TimBosma #Bosma

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 8m8 minutes ago
Smich also writes: "Can u bring me gloves and tape and maybe an orange guy?" #TImBosma #Bosma

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 9m9 minutes ago
Now looking at texts from Friday, May 3. Smich writes: "can marlena reach and chill with pedo while we do our thing?" #TimBosma #Bosma

Maybe MS stenciled "Eliminator" on the incinerator?

 

[RandomName479]

I tend to think the evidence actually supports that MS's phone died. It was later in the evening, which makes it plausible, and he tried to message MM much later from the hangar using the iPad.

I agree on this part.....the fact that he was anxious to get ahold of MM seems to point to this.....I think the Crown would do better poking holes in other parts of his story.....MOO

 

[voominvava]

If there was an actual BBQ that week, where are the witnesses that would testify that they were there???

 

[hellkat2]

Remember his idea was to say he normally lent his phone out. His plan was to leave it on to say whoever he lent it to was trying to frame him.

There was a lot of sharing cell phones and using others to post wasn't there.

 

[Inspector_North]

Absolutely most would not feel comfortable dumping fluffy into that thing. But I wonder if farmers who raise cattle for example for beef may have use for this kind of thing. Animals must die by accident or old age maybe? So maybe this is why it would not be weird to purchase something like this if you owned a farm. But to write eliminator on it? DM took the bother to have this painted on it didn't he? Not something I think the manufacturer would stamp on it.

I did look into this a while back. It seems this unit was not designed for cattle. It was the 500 lb. capacity unit without the large loading door. It was designed more for smaller animals that would fit. Multiple animals like a large poultry farms that may have many birds to rid each day.

Most pets would not be incinerated with others since this farm unit is not designed to isolate remains.

Large pet cremation devices 'bulk' incinerate to lower costs. The animals are put on a tray that can be removed and cleaned while the unit remains hot. No need to heat up and cool down like this farm incinerator. It's just a blatant lie, or the one of the worst ideas I have ever heard.

MOO

 

[andreww]

My reference to the movie Fargo was not about the wood chipper at all. I was trying to draw a parallel. Fargo IMO is about what can happen when good people give in to a crime of opportunity based on their circumstances and in the process cross paths with psychopath career murdering type criminals devoid of any sense of right or wrong. In the movie the one character works at his father-in-law's car dealership and starts stealing cars from the dealership and in the process entered into the underbelly of the crime world.

Don't think he was stealing cars was he? Though he just wanted to rip off his cheap father in law by paying those guys to kidnap his wife after the father in law cut him out of his own real estate deal.

 

[JuneBug67]

If there was an actual BBQ that week, where are the witnesses that would testify that they were there???

There was an actual barbecue that week at Millard's and there has been testimony from other witnesses to that fact. Crown had previously noted interestingly that Millard called that social barbecue a 'barbecue' but texts that were suspicious as references to the Eliminator used 'BBQ'. The social barbecue was actually that week, and the incinerator use was about 10 days after that text. (roughly - I'd have to recheck the precise dates).

 

[JuneBug67]

I agree on this part.....the fact that he was anxious to get ahold of MM seems to point to this.....I think the Crown would do better poking holes in other parts of his story.....MOO

I'd like to look back and see what time it was that the texts flooded in the next morning on his phone. Would it seem to coincide with him finally having access to power/a charger/car charger?

 

[RandomName479]

Remember his idea was to say he normally lent his phone out. His plan was to leave it on to say whoever he lent it to was trying to frame him.

Yep. But IMO he concocted this plan after he saw the cell phone disclosure and realized how damning that evidence was...

 

[Errrr]

Ok, I admittedly haven't seen Fargo, but am I the only one who thinks the idea of using a woodchipper to dispose of a body is the dumbest thing ever? Wouldn't you just be spraying DNA evidence everywhere? And it would never, ever be cleanable. I think this is just fantasy on the part of people who saw Fargo.

(I refuse to google this for plausibility, as I'm sure there have been many horrible accidents and I don't want to know about them.)

It would eliminate the chopping part of they were going to use the home made incinerator. Interesting how this stuff appeared while WM was alive.

 

[Inspector_North]

There was an actual barbecue that week at Millard's and there has been testimony from other witnesses to that fact. Crown had previously noted interestingly that Millard called that social barbecue a 'barbecue' but texts that were suspicious as references to the Eliminator used 'BBQ'. The social barbecue was actually that week, and the incinerator use was about 10 days after that text. (roughly - I'd have to recheck the precise dates).

You are correct, and I believe it was a conversation between AM and DM about having 2 girls for each guy.

However, the texts Fraser is pointing out are more likely part of mission prep. DM had many BBQ's, and IMO he didn't prepare that large generator for them.

MOO

 

[CJPRINCESS]

Just guessing here ... Perhaps by DM's incomprehensible, twisted logic, only Lucas Bate's phone tracking could connect him to these crimes?

MOO


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I think they were so stupid that they actually thought the phone would track them, only if it was being used. Once TB was dead they had to find his phone because they thought his phone may have had the gps location feature. (According to MS)

 

[Massasauga Rattler]

Absolutely most would not feel comfortable dumping fluffy into that thing. But I wonder if farmers who raise cattle for example for beef may have use for this kind of thing. Animals must die by accident or old age maybe? So maybe this is why it would not be weird to purchase something like this if you owned a farm. But to write eliminator on it? DM took the bother to have this painted on it didn't he? Not something I think the manufacturer would stamp on it.

That's the brand name...DM did not paint it on it.