Bosma Murder Trial 05.25.16 - Day 55

[Sphinx]

I don't think that comment was necessary. We have fence sitters (myself included) because there is still reasonable doubt (in our opinion) that MS knew about the plan to kill before hand and was present in the truck. There are still a lot of holes in the crowns evidence and the majority of it is circumstantial at best. My guess is that there is at least 1 or 2 fence sitters on the jury re: MS and they will be sticking to these few points very passionately. My guess is that MS get's a lesser charge ... most likely AATF

Don't underestimate the power of Sharlene sitting in court every day, and obviously suffering and grieving at times, like Tim's parents. I am sure the jury members feel a great deal of sympathy for them, and may go very hard on DM and MS, which is what I believe is just, after hearing the evidence anyway. Murder one for both of them, and I agree with another poster who said they may only deliberate for 10 hours or so. IMO

 

[marycanuck]

I think Millard did it, and was the trigger man. Why else would have bought an incinerator - unless he had it laying around from when he had to dispose of a previous victim? I think he planned in, all along. I think hes the mastermind and thinks he can get away with it all.

I have contemplated the horrific notion that part of the 'building empires' may have involved becoming a 'fixer' for 'problems', i.e., a system of MOBILE, 'foolproof' disposal of those whom one might want to 'disappear', had to get some 'trial runs' in before offering his nefarious services for big bucks...

only my opinion, and I apologize if this distressing possibility is offensive to anyone...

this is why it is so critical and crucial that everyone gets it right in the lead-up to jury deliberations, so that the guilty verdicts are iron-clad
monsters among us...
JMO

 

[hellkat2]

Hmm. I'm not sure any more. After millards lawyer bungled his cross, the crown was much more aggressive and had a slightly better cross. However, as someone who has worked in the legal realm, It didn't feel like a good cross. I mean, I've seen better in smaller criminal trials. Largely, it was a cross of more (though quicker paced) hypothesis and scenarios, not largely based on fact and cross checking facts. Hard evidence reigns supreme, and in this case there was substantial, though the smoking gun is missing. I think the crown could have done better in its cross, and either disproved MS' claim of inocence, or it should have picked him apart, and shown through fact and physical evidence that his testimony is/was a lie. Because, ultimately, testimony under oath trumps hypothesis, but not physical evidence.

So, wrapping up this case:

I think Millard did it, and was the trigger man. Why else would have bought an incinerator - unless he had it laying around from when he had to dispose of a previous victim? I think he planned in, all along. I think hes the mastermind and thinks he can get away with it all.

Smich I think knows more but isn't telling. He has been consulted and knows there is a line between murder and aiding and being an accessory after the fact. He knows where the gun is. He probably knows more, but isn't telling. Though only one of the two can pull the trigger and I don't think it's MS and I don't think he planned to kill anyone. He's a small time petty crime kinda kid.

I predict the crown will have lots to say about all the things that MS did to help after the murder (clean up etc etc), in an effort to paint a foreknowing and planned participant, in its closing argument.

All my own opinion, of course.

I am trying to think like a juror. If I was a juror I would be thinking that if that was my family member that got murdered in cold blood I would want anybody that had anything to do with it punished to the maximum the law would allow. I would be strongly influenced by the fact that much of the testimony had gaps in it and would take all of these gaps as crimes of omission. I think most jurors put themselves in the family of the victims shoes as well as the victim. I believe they will find these two guilty of murder as charged. The Bosma's have waited for justice for a very long time. I do not believe they will be let down. I hope the judge has plenty to say when he hands down his sentence and it better be good. For the Bosma's sake.

 

[Georgeo]

Is it possible that TB was shot before MS got into the Yukon?

Not really. They might need a couple of days to themselves too AND/OR the judge might have taken into account the Bosmas might need some time to recharge at home.

this has dragged out for 3 years!!!!! Let's get it done and finish this trial and let family grieve and move on somehow. Having Sharlene' Bosma's crying face on front page of Spectator online is really not necessary. Let's get this done. Enough time has dragged on for these perps and their 15 minutes of fame should be over.

Moo

 

[hellkat2]

Two different sounds. A shotgun is very loud and a bit drawn out and is a for sure ear zinger with a big echo (I use to hunt with my dad and covered my ears). A pistol (according to a youtube I seen) is like a very loud cap gun pop sound, short not drawn out like a shotgun. If you go to an indoor gun range, they use ear muffs for a reason as well. It's not quiet.

YouTube "gun shots at night" there should be a video of guys firing 3 differnt guns at night. A shotgun, Glock 9mm and a PK-380. If I can find it again, I'll edit or post the name of the original poster. I can't link youtube from my phone.

I know what a shotgun sounds like as have shot from one my father had years ago. I have heard on TV a handgun being fired and it had a pop pop pop sound. If I heard it I might notice it and think it was a fire cracker or cap gun. Not that loud .

 

[hellkat2]

I am trying to think like a juror. If I was a juror I would be thinking that if that was my family member that got murdered in cold blood I would want anybody that had anything to do with it punished to the maximum the law would allow. I would be strongly influenced by the fact that much of the testimony had gaps in it and would take all of these gaps as crimes of omission. I think most jurors put themselves in the family of the victims shoes as well as the victim. I believe they will find these two guilty of murder as charged. The Bosma's have waited for justice for a very long time. I do not believe they will be let down. I hope the judge has plenty to say when he hands down his sentence and it better be good. For the Bosma's sake.

 

[Dutchman]

So reading the tweets tonight to SC. Someone asked her about MB DM s mum. Not being in court. SC tweeted she was under subpoena so up until now she could not attend. Wonder if DM had taken the stand, if she would have been called in. Mystery solved.

 

[Tealgrove]

Any guesses on how long the deliberations will take?

My guess is less than a day.

I suspect that finding Dellen Millard guilty won't take much time at all. I think the only points of discussion will surround Mark Smich. Clearly there are muddy waters here for some and not for others.

If I were a juror, I would be very comfortable finding them both guilty of first degree murder, but I'm not a juror, so we wait and see.

 

[Typhoo1961]

His name has come up a few times in the Ontario courts dockets with him filing against the Queen. I think I've read somewhere that he was complaining about his food while in jail and was taking his case to court over it. It was around the time when he was late getting to court and court was delayed a bit.

What does he expect? Haute Cuisine?

 

[Typhoo1961]

Are you saying that dm got beaten up 4 times in prison? Did not know this.

He wrote that in his letters to CN. You really should read them.

 

[canadiangirl]

I keep trying to frame it all as if I was the family of TB and if I was I would want anyone involved punished to the maximum of the law. i would not be able to handle that people involved are walking around free while my loved one is not.

I understand that and that kind of passion is what I imagine people who lose someone to tragedy feel. Lock them up. Throw away the key. But that is a very broad statement. There were a LOT of people involved here including DM's own mother. I try to put myself in the position of many different people. Bosma's. Accused. Accused family members. Etc. that's why IMO the evidence for me needs to be crystal clear.

 

[CJPRINCESS]

I keep trying to frame it all as if I was the family of TB and if I was I would want anyone involved punished to the maximum of the law. i would not be able to handle that people involved are walking around free while my loved one is not.

Only going on sympathy for the Bosma's, I would have never even given MS any slight chance of being innocent. The jury can't decide their verdicts on feelings, they have to go on the evidence before them.

 

[Typhoo1961]

this has dragged out for 3 years!!!!! Let's get it done and finish this trial and let family grieve and move on somehow. Having Sharlene' Bosma's crying face on front page of Spectator online is really not necessary. Let's get this done. Enough time has dragged on for these perps and their 15 minutes of fame should be over.

Moo

I want the trial over just as much as anyone but not at the expense of justice for Tim and his family and friends. That is the MOST important thing here.
The court proceedings have to ... no .... MUST run their course so a mistrial is not called.

 

[Tealgrove]

There must be some evidence that the Crown was unable to put forth that tells them unequivocally that Tim was killed in that field.

I know the area quite well (drive past the field at least once a week) and have a really hard time believing that this was where it happened. It is so close to the Bosma home and it means that it happened so incredibly fast.

The Crown appears adamant that this is where it happened. I think we're missing something.

 

[canadiangirl]

Don't underestimate the power of Sharlene sitting in court every day, and obviously suffering and grieving at times, like Tim's parents. I am sure the jury members feel a great deal of sympathy for them, and may go very hard on DM and MS, which is what I believe is just, after hearing the evidence anyway. Murder one for both of them, and I agree with another poster who said they may only deliberate for 10 hours or so. IMO

Not to sound crass but that in no way should influence a jury's decision on guilty or not guilty. We all feel for the Bosma's and we all want justice.

 

[Massasauga Rattler]

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Mystery of MB not being in court has been solved.


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makes me wonder if the Crown knew they were not going to call her, but did not want to give either her or DM the satisfaction of being able to see each other or comfort each other during the trial.

 

[canadiangirl]

makes me wonder if the Crown knew they were not going call her, but did not want to give either her or DM the satisfaction of being able to see each other or comfort each other during the trial.

Now that is the best statement of the night lol
I hope that's true. (totally my emotional side talking)

 

[Redwing]

Not sure if mentioned before, if so please forgive me. And please enlighten me.
If the plan was to test/scope TB's truck and come back later to steal it as planned (ALLNIGHTER) They did bring a change of clothes, duct tape (for who knows what) and not even a screw driver to change the plates. And we know of one gun.
How in the world were they planning on stealing it without the keys?


I'm having a difficult time believingTB was shot at the lane way, that close to home. Without any neighbours hearing a loud bang from a gunshot. Especially at that time of day, shortly after 9 PM.


Back in the early 80's undercover police officers from TO would come to my farm to practice shoot, and I have no doubt in my mind, given that time of day, someone should have heard a bang.
However, I can not say how muffled a shot would be from inside a vehicle with the windows closed.
It would be deafening to those inside,to say the least.

Although for those of us in Ontario farm country know, it's not unusual to hear gunshots. Not often but happens and does not raise attention.

 

[Typhoo1961]

makes me wonder if the Crown knew they were not going call her, but did not want to give either her or DM the satisfaction of being able to see each other or comfort each other during the trial.

Worked for me.

 

[leafs_fan93]

Or he (MS) had to be involved in forcible confinement in which Tim Bosma died. It could be standing outside the truck pointing a gun at Tim preventing him from leaving.

Fair enough. My belief is that MS was in the Yukon before TB ever realized anything was amiss ie. Before he was forcibly confined, therefore in order to be guilty if first degree for MS he would have had to been aware it was going to happen - which I haven't been convinced of. All MOO