Bosma Murder Trial 06.10.16 - Day 59 - Charge to jury

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  • #61
Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 38s39 seconds ago
Judge says we'll take break soon and there will be a few throughout the day. Lots of intense listening needed for this.

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 1m1 minute ago
The jury shouldn't take anything from an objection being made, or the jury being sent out for legal arguments, Goodman says #Bosma #TimBosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
Jury shouldn't take anything from objections or from being asked to leave the room. #TimBosma
 
  • #62
Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 24s24 seconds ago
Inference can logically or reasonably be drawn. eg. Woman puts dog food in dish. Then leaves house. Returns to see food gone from dish.

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 34s34 seconds ago
Then there are inferences -- things drawn from a fact, or a group of facts. #TimBosma #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
"Direct" evidence can be what witnesses say they saw or heard. Personal observations. Differs from circumstantial. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Direct evidence. Witness testifying to what they saw or heard. eg Woman says she put dog food in dish and saw her dog eat it.

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 1m1 minute ago
Goodman now addressing direct versus indirect evidence. Direct evidence is something a person saw or heard themselves. #TimBosma #Bosma



Kinda wished he used Mrs.T's (?) snow example from the weekend discussion.
 
  • #63
Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 25s25 seconds ago
The jury has to consider all the evidence to make valid inferences. #TimBosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 48s48 seconds ago
This is boiler plate stuff that judges say at every charge to the jury.

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 1m1 minute ago
Three formal admissions were made in this case. Smich went on test drive w Tumanenko. DM prints were taken by police. DM wrote letters.

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 1m1 minute ago
Goodman now also addressing circumstantial evidence. #TimBosma #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
We use observed or known facts to infer secondary facts.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Inferences can be drawn in cases where witnesses are believable and testimony is logical.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
"Circumstantial" evidence is a conclusion you can draw from the direct evidence. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
May conclude dog ate food from dish.
 
  • #64
Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC now
Now taking a 15 minute recess. #TimBosma #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 4s
you must be sure beyond a reasonable doubt that guilt is the only rational conclusion to draw from the entire evidence.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 15s
In order to find an accused guilty on basis of circumstantial evidence,

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 19s
"Most of what you've heard in this case involves circumstantial evidence," Goodman says. #TimBosma #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 23s
Goodman says most of the evidence in this case is circumstantial and jurors must be satisfied beyond a reasonable doubt on the evidence.

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 28s
#Bosma these admissions only apply to party who agrees to it. Judge also says objections r not evidence.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 38s
Direct and circumstantial evidence are equally important, judge says. Jury should decide on whole of the evidence. #Bosma
 
  • #65
molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 46s46 seconds ago
Taking a morning recess. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 51s51 seconds ago
Now a break for 15 minutes. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 55s55 seconds ago
Guilt beyond a reasonable doubt can be determined based on circumstantial evidence, when it's the only rational conclusion that can be drawn

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 58s58 seconds ago
Jury on break. #TimBosma
 
  • #66
Sorry to jam this lengthy post in here, but I've been wanting to publish a detailed analysis of the timeline around the critical moments of Bosma's murder, to explain why I see a significant time gap in Smich's story...

Using only the Bate phone's cell tower pings, which are fixed points of comparison, there are 18 minutes between the time the Bate phone called Bosma and the time the Bate phone was turned off forever:

  • 9:05pm - calls Bosma, pings in Ancaster (phone activity presentation)
  • 9:23pm - detached by user, pings in Ancaster (Sgt. Jackson testimony, Wind Mobile records)

Both SB and WDB testified that, while they stood in the garage having a smoke, they heard Tim's phone ring inside.Then they saw two men walking up the driveway. Then Tim came outside while still on his phone to greet the men, then he hung it up. They talked briefly, did a quick inspection of the truck, and then hopped in the truck and drove off.

From the tweets of SB's testimony:

  • Just after 9, Tim's phone rang. Then voices and footsteps coming down the driveway. She stepped out of garage and sees two men.
  • They talk briefly. Tim said they could've parked in driveway. The guys say they got dropped off by a friend who went to Tim Hortons.
  • Cell phone guy got into drivers seat, Tim ran around front of truck to get in front passenger side. He had a "really big smile on his face."

And from WDB's testimony:

  • Watched the hockey game, came up around 9 for one last smoke w Sharlene. Met in the garage bay.
  • Sharlene says the guys hadn't come yet (to see truck). Then she heard Tim's phone ring. They could hear Tim's voice on the phone inside.
  • Then they heard a voice coming down the gravel driveway. Looked out of the garage, saw two men coming down toward house.
  • Wayne could hear voices approaching down the driveway at the #Bosma house. Sees two men walking. One man just ending a phone call.
  • At same time, Tim comes out of house, also ending a phone call. Tim greets the two men.
  • Wayne says he heard Tim tell one of the men: "You didn't have to park up the road. You could have parked here."
  • Tim and the taller man on the phone talked. They explained a friend dropped them off and had gone to Tim's for a bite to eat.
  • Remembers a quick inspection and the guys hop into truck and drive off. Tall guy in drivers seat, Tim beside him. Hoodie guy in back.

Based on the evidence, DM and MS walked up the driveway around the same time they called him (9:05pm). Let's round it up to 9:06pm to be safe. How much time would you provide for a brief chat and a quick inspection of the truck before driving away? 5 minutes? 10 minutes? I would suggest less than 5 minutes, but let's round it up to 10 minutes. We're now at 9:16pm as the time at which they left the driveway.

How long does it take them to reach Book Rd? At regular driving speed it's under 30 seconds. Let's give them a full 1 minute. They reach Book Rd at 9:17pm.

How long does it take to let Smich out, pull a U-turn, and drive away again? Let's give them 1 minute. Actually, let's make it 2 minutes to give Smich lots of time to get in the Yukon and follow behind them. It's now 9:19pm that they drive away from the field.

How long does it take to reach Trinity Rd and Wilson St from Book Rd? At regular driving speed it takes about 1 minute. Let's give them 2 minutes. It's now 9:21pm that they have passed Super Sucker. Actually, let's back up by 1 minute because we've padded the time a lot, and the Super Sucker video was 9:20pm. They drive away from Ancaster for 3 minutes before DM powers down the burner phone.

DM powers down his burner phone at 9:23pm, and it pings in Ancaster. Surely it's possible that even after driving for a few minutes away from Ancaster, the cell phone might still ping off that tower back toward the Bosma's -- there are fewer Wind towers in that area after all. (Side note: would DM really pull his phone out and turn it off while driving with TB beside him?).

This seems to be the best way to fit Smich's story to the evidence. Is it likely? IMO, no. Too much padding has to be added to the time; they would have had to be moving in slow motion at every step. IMO there is a gap of 10-15 minutes in MS's story. Here's what I think is more likely:

  • They met Tim around 9:05pm in the driveway and drove away a few minutes later.
  • They drove north past Super Sucker and the truck was captured on video for the first time.
  • 10 minutes later they are captured again on the video, but this time driving back toward Bosma's house.
  • They stop in the field and grab the Yukon. Then they drive drive back toward Brantford.
  • The two vehicles are caught on the Super Sucker video 5 minutes after the previous sighting.
  • Millard's phone is powered off some time while they are still in Ancaster, before they have passed Super Sucker for the last time.

This fits all the testimony and lines up with all the evidence better (brief meeting in driveway, Bullman seeing two vehicles in the field, the multiple Super Sucker sightings, the cell activity, etc.). JMO.

Of course, my theory relies on the Super Sucker video being a few minutes out of sync with the Wind Mobile cell tower. I agreed with DM’s lawyers on this point (although not necessarily that it was a full 10 minutes out) and I think it is feasible because the security system was not connected to any network time sync.

Also, IMO the additional Super Sucker sightings were not brought to attention in order to pre-emptively discredit MS’s story, as some have suggested. At that early stage of the trial DM’s counsel had no idea that MS would even testify, let alone what his story might be. Rather, they were trying to highlight a potential bias in the video expert’s report since he left those additional sightings out. The time sync issues and the extra video sightings were originally brought to attention to discredit the Crown’s evidence, IMO.

From the tweets of Pillay’s closing:

  • The SuperSuckers video, Pillay says, shows the truck made 3 trips down Trinity Rd.
  • First, north, past the biz, alone. Second, also alone, now going south. Third time, north again, this time followed by Yukon.
  • He says the time stamp on the video is clearly off and that it's a "contentious issue" in the trial.
  • According to time stamp, the first one is at 6:05pm.
  • Trip 2 -- the "return" he calls it -- was at 6:15pm.
  • Trip 3 -- "the getaway," he calls it -- was at 6:20 pm. 5 minutes later.
  • This last one was the only one included in the Plaxton report.
  • Pillay now focusing on this "omission" by Plaxton in his report (of those first 2 trips).
  • Pillay says Plaxton assumed the video time stamp was precisely 3 hours off, as was reported to him.
  • "The omission in my submission is significant," Pillay argues.
  • He says to his credit, Plaxton was candid and acknowledged he missed these first 2 trips in his examination of footage.
  • He says Plaxton agreed the vehicles in first 2 trips shared characteristics of #Bosma truck, and could very well have been.
  • Pillay is now comparing the vehicles seen in the 3 trips.
  • "Think about that. This is the Crown's expert...who was qualified in this area...he says these could be one in the same vehicle."
  • "This is the same vehicle," Pillay says. "This is the #Bosma truck. And it's leaving on a test drive."
  • In second trip, he says again, this is the truck returning to the field to pick up the Yukon.
  • Pillay now playing an audio clip of his cross of Plaxton. In it, Plaxton agrees these are consistent with the #Bosma truck passing 3 times.
  • Pillay says this proves 2 critical things.
  • First, the Crown's theory that there was only one trip past SuperSuckers that night "is wrong."
  • Second, he says Smich then fabricated his story to match Plaxton's testimony.
 
  • #67
Back in court now, jury being recalled.
by Adam Carter 11:02 AM

Goodman now giving hypothetical examples about circumstantial evidence.
by Adam Carter 11:06 AM

Goodman calls back to retired officer Banks, who said he didn't notice any shell casing inside the truck at first. He later saw a 380 shell casing below the rear seat.
by Adam Carter 11:08 AM
 
  • #68
Goodman says that Banks speculating on how the shell casing got there is conjecture.
by Adam Carter 11:09 AM

Goodman also tells the jury to not speculate about any redactions on evidence, like the letters from jail.
by Adam Carter 11:10 AM
 
  • #69
molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
He says if details of someone's testimony are going to be challenged, they should be given chance to respond during cross examination #Bosma

Does that mean that when MM was challenged about the celebratory mood, that her response about it being DM who said the mission was a success overrides the crown questioning when she said both were in a good mood?

MM seemed to slightly change her perspective depending on which team asked her. The mood is a very critical piece of evidence to it being planned or a armed robbery gone wrong.

MOO

Thats what I'm seeing. I'm also partial to her lying about that anyways just because she remembered 3 years later, forgot 9 days later, then on Dungey cross she said it was DM that was happy.

If I were on the jury, I'd take her last statement to be true. That DM was happy, not both.
 
  • #70
Goodman says the jury needs to consider the testimony of a person who also used visual aids like powerpoint.
by Adam Carter 11:11 AM

Goodman now talking about the weight to be given to eyewitness evidence.
by Adam Carter 11:13 AM
 
  • #71
Goodman says there is "overwhelming evidence, beyond a reasonable doubt" that Millard and Smich were the two who went on the test drive.
by Adam Carter 11:14 AM



Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
What happened after #Bosma got into the truck for the test drive remains "a VERY live issue," judge tells jury.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 54s54 seconds ago
Judge says there is "overwhelming evidence" the two men went on a testdrive, but what happened in #TimBosma's truck "remains a live issue"
 
  • #72
Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 45s45 seconds ago
Fraser also didn't ask Smich if the shooting happened outside the truck. #TimBosma #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 53s53 seconds ago
...whether she spoke to Noudga May 10. Those are issues that Smich testified to.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 58s58 seconds ago
If a lawyer doesn't cross examine a witness on an assertion made in court, the jury can use that omission in their decision. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Dungey failed to put questions to Bowman about positioning of vehicles in field or Meneses about...

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Cross-exam of witnesses. Must give witness chance to respond to anything put to them.

So does this mean because Dungey did not recall witnesses or ask questions to them at the time of cross that anything not asked of them is inadmissible?
Abro had mentioned we can't keep recalling witnesses or else a trial wouldn't end. Am I reading this correctly?
 
  • #73
Behind. quick tweet dump.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
Judge reminding jury about Sharlene Bosma's description of the two men and Smich's "uncontested evidence" that the two men were there #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
The taller guy was confident and the shorter guy was sketchy. They didn't admit to who they were, but now there is overwhelming evidence...

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
Evidence of Sharlene #Bosma and Wayne DeBoer of two men who walked up driveway. Described men, but did not know names.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Re: testimony of Sharlene Bosma, Wayne De Boer -- they did not identify the two men that night as Millard and Smich. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
Sharlene Bosma and Wayne De Boer testified about the two men who showed up on the #Bosma driveway May 6, 2013, judge says.

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 2m2 minutes ago
Goodman now talking about the weight to be given to eyewitness evidence. #TImBosma #Bosma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 2m2 minutes ago
Jury not to speculate on evidence. Like why were portions of Noudga letters were redacted. @AM900CHML

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 3m3 minutes ago
The jury will have those presentations with them in the jury room. They're to be considered in conjunction w testimony. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 3m3 minutes ago
Those presentations could help the jury, but they could also contain errors. Jurors shouldn't rely on them unduly. #TimBosma

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 3m3 minutes ago
Goodman says the jury needs to consider the testimony of a person who also used visual aids like powerpoint. #TimBosma #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 4m4 minutes ago
Visual aids used by lawyers. Photos, videos, PowerPoints, etc. Actual evidence from expert is their viva voce evidence — spoken testimony.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 4m4 minutes ago
There were many visual aids used in this trial (powerpoint presentations etc). The actual evidence came from the witness themselves on stand

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 4m4 minutes ago
He warns jury not to speculate on any redactions, like for ex. in the 'Noudga letters.' #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 5m5 minutes ago
Some lawyers and witnesses used visual aids to help them make their points, judge says. Some of them are exhibits and are evidence. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
Despite several theories presented as to how shell casing ended up in backseat, that's speculation. Could be many explanations. #Bosma

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 5m5 minutes ago
Goodman also tells the jury to not speculate about any redactions on evidence, like the letters from jail. #TimBosma #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 5m5 minutes ago
Sometimes single fact can lead to an inference being drawn. But must also consider evidence as a whole.

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 5m5 minutes ago
Judge explains testimony by Det Banks who "speculated" on how spent bullet got in back of 3500. That"s not evidence. @AM900CHML

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 6m6 minutes ago
Goodman now discussing speculation. Gives example of the shell casing found in the truck. Det. Banks said he thinks it fell from the seat.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 6m6 minutes ago
Several lawyers advanced theories on how shell casing ended up there, judge says. They are conjecture. Could be many explanations. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 6m6 minutes ago
Banks could only speculate how .380 shell casing got in back seat of #Bosma truck.

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 6m6 minutes ago
Goodman says that Banks speculating on how the shell casing got there is conjecture. #TimBosma #BOsma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 6m6 minutes ago
Judge explaining circumstantial evidence which makes up large part of this case. Giving examples. @AM900CHML

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 7m7 minutes ago
He later saw a 380 shell casing below the rear seat. #TImBosma #BOsma

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 7m7 minutes ago
Goodman calls back to retired officer Banks, who said he didn't notice any shell casing inside the truck at first. #Bosma #TimBosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 7m7 minutes ago
Speculation: testimony of retired Sgt. Banks, forensic officer from @HaltonPolice. Didn't see shell casing in truck to start. Then found it.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 7m7 minutes ago
Halton officer Banks testified that he didn't see a shell casing in #TimBosma truck at first, then noticed it under seat.

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 9m9 minutes ago
Goodman now giving hypothetical examples about circumstantial evidence. #TimBosma #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 10m10 minutes ago
We are back. #Bosma


Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 10m10 minutes ago
Logical conclusions drawn from facts are allowed, Goodman says. Inferences without facts are improper. #Bosma


Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 10m10 minutes ago
Inference is factual finding or conclusion that can be reasonably be drawn from facts or group of facts.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 11m11 minutes ago
#Bosma jury is back. Judge continues about inferences they can draw from facts. They can't speculate or make up theories.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 11m11 minutes ago
Jury is back. Judge's charge continues. Talking about inferences. Must not engage in speculation.
 
  • #74
Goodman now talking about inconsistencies witnesses who aren't accused gave.
by Adam Carter 11:15 AM

Those inconsistencies can be a witness neglecting to bring up something they said earlier to police.
by Adam Carter 11:16 AM

Goodman says inconsistent statements can be important in the jury deciding whether or not they believe a witness.
by Adam Carter 11:16 AM
 
  • #75
Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 9s9 seconds ago
"Various witnesses admitted to lying or misleading in their statements to police," Goodman says. #TimBosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 12s12 seconds ago
Common sense should tell jury that if a witness is giving different versions, that could be important. Some #Bosma witnesses admitted lying.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 15s15 seconds ago
Multiple witnesses admitted to lying to or misleading police earlier in this case. #Bosma

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 21s21 seconds ago
Goodman says inconsistent statements can be important in the jury deciding whether or not they believe a witness. #TimBosma #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 35s35 seconds ago
Goodman says it's important to consider whether witnesses are consistent, or if they say things on stand they've never said before. #Bosma

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 1m1 minute ago
Those inconsistencies can be a witness neglecting to bring up something they said earlier to police. #TimBosma #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
A non-accused witness can be inconsistent in statements to police and at trial. Can say something at trial for the first time. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
Judge now pointing out some of the inconsistencies given by some of the 92 witnesses in this trial. #TimBosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Consider if a witness's testimony is consistant. If they are NOT an accused.

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 2m2 minutes ago
Goodman now talking about inconsistencies witnesses who aren't accused gave. #TimBosma #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 2m2 minutes ago
Judge says there is "overwhelming evidence" the two men went on a testdrive, but what happened in #TimBosma's truck "remains a live issue"

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 3m3 minutes ago
What happened after #Bosma got into the truck for the test drive remains "a VERY live issue," judge tells jury.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 3m3 minutes ago
But he says there is "overwhelming evidence" (incl Millard print on truck mirror) that Millard and Smich were indeed the two men. #Bosma

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 3m3 minutes ago
Goodman says there's "overwhelming evidence beyond a reasonable doubt" that Millard and Smich were the two who went on the test drive #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 3m3 minutes ago
"Overwhelming evidence" that Millard and Smich were the two men who went for test drive with #Bosma, says judge.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 3m3 minutes ago
.. that Smich and Millard were the two men on the #Bosma driveway May 6, 2013.
 
  • #76
Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 32s33 seconds ago
Various witnesses at this trial admitted to lying to police. Shlatman, Daly, Meneses, included.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 34s35 seconds ago
Michalski, Hagerman, Daly and Hagerman all admitted lying in their statements to police, Justice Goodman points out. #TimBosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 40s41 seconds ago
That they gave different versions might be an important thing to consider.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 49s50 seconds ago
Schlatman, Michalski, Hagerman, Daly, Meneses all admitted to lying previously, Goodman notes. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 57s58 seconds ago
Consider it witness says something at trial that they've never said before. Or says different things while on the witness stand...

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 1m1 minute ago
Many witnesses in the case admitted to lying or attempting to deceive the police. #TimBosma #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Inconsistency is when a witness says different things at different times about the same issue.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
"Various witnesses admitted to lying or misleading in their statements to police," Goodman says. #TimBosma
 
  • #77
Many witnesses in the case admitted to lying or attempting to deceive the police.
by Adam Carter 11:17 AM


molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 36s37 seconds ago
Schlatman, Michalski, Hagerman, Daly, Meneses all admitted to lying previously, Goodman notes. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
Michalski, Hagerman, Daly and Hagerman all admitted lying in their statements to police, Justice Goodman points out. #TimBosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 58s58 seconds ago
Various witnesses at this trial admitted to lying to police. Shlatman, Daly, Meneses, included.
 
  • #78
Smich's timeline needs about 10 minutes plugged in to it to make sense, most credibly before he gets to the Bosma's. Here's how it could look if you were trying to make something fit with his story. All times listed relative to Super Sucker time.

8:46 first pass by Super Sucker
8:48 arrive near Bosma home
8:58 complete reconnaissance of area including finding home, mapping possible test drive route, killing time for darkness, searching for a place to park
8:59 depart on foot for Bosma's
9:06 arrive at Bosma driveway
9:10 depart Bosma house
9:11 arrive at field after pause for fake text, pause to let MS out, do X point turn
9:12 go west on Book and do 10 km loop back to Super Sucker at ~70 kph
9:20 pass by Super Sucker
 
  • #79
Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 33s33 seconds ago
Igor Tumanenko testified about a test drive with Millard & Smich, & a change in temp when he mentioned his Israeli army experience. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 47s47 seconds ago
Must think about how critical the inconsistency is. Tumanenko testified about men in truck reacting to learning he was in Israeli army.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
He says he will not give an "exhaustive list" of every example. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Goodman says it should be considered whether the have something to gain from lying, whether previously or here at trial. #Bosma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 2m2 minutes ago
Judge" overwhelming evidence beyond a reasonable doubt both men were there." @AM900CHML

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 2m2 minutes ago
Judge asks jury to consider what each witness has to gain by lying. "I'm not going to provide you with an exhaustive list," he says. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
Did the witness have an interest in the outcome of the case? Jurors should ask themselves if witnesses have any motivation. #Bosma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 2m2 minutes ago
Talking about "overwhelming" evidence. Sharlene Bosma/ wayne Deboer described DM/MS going on test drive. Evidence backs it up.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
Consider what they have to gain by lying, says Goodman.
 
  • #80
Goodman mentions Tumanenko only mentioning the "change of temperature" in his truck at trial as an example of an inconsistency. Meneses not indicating at first that Smich was celebrating when they picked her up the morning after is another.
by Adam Carter 11:21 AM
 
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