Bosma Murder Trial 06.13.16 - Day 60 - Charge to jury - Day 2

[mozzagirl]

Whaaaaaaat??????? now I'm confused. :waitasec:

To me this means that they may be considering MS's verdict but have come to the agreement that DM was the actual killer (principal, I think Goodman said was the term).

So they go down this tree if they have decided which of the two was the principal killer but are considering and deliberating on the other person's verdict.

All, MOO.

 

[Tealgrove]

I'm thinking 1st degree for both. MS taking the stand sealed it for me. He placed himself away from every part of the whole event and clearly used the evidence (and only the evidence) to set up his version of events. So much so that I didn't believe anything he said. So why would I believe him when he said DM pulled the trigger?

I agree, however my concern is that when you start applying the decision trees some real consideration has to happen on a number of fronts. That's all I was trying to say.

 

[NoodlesMcgee]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont · 21s21 seconds ago
Smich does not have exact recall of timing of events on night of May 6. Judge outlining several possible timelines for the murder.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont · 20s20 seconds ago
Smich ramrod straight in his chair, looking at judge. Millard taking notes.

Why is Millard constantly taking notes and Smich rarely does it seems? What do you all take their body language to mean?

I've read that lawyers tell their clients to write things down just so they look like they are doing something and paying attention, not looking bored or annoyed, etc.

He could be drawing pictures over there for all we know. Think it's more for presentation for the jury than for his own use.

 

[Tealgrove]

I'm thinking 1st degree for both. MS taking the stand sealed it for me. He placed himself away from every part of the whole event and clearly used the evidence (and only the evidence) to set up his version of events. So much so that I didn't believe anything he said. So why would I believe him when he said DM pulled the trigger?

I agree, however my concern is that when you start applying the decision trees some real consideration has to happen on a number of fronts. That's all I was trying to say.

 

[RandomName479]

Billandrew - are you taking notes about these decision trees? :loveyou:

 

[mimimic]

Billandrew - are you taking notes about these decision trees? :loveyou:

That's what i thought too!

 

[Sillybilly]

I've read that lawyers tell their clients to write things down just so they look like they are doing something and paying attention, not looking bored or annoyed, etc.

He could be drawing pictures over there for all we know. Think it's more for presentation for the jury than for his own use.

Keeps him from waving :wave:

 

[Inspector_North]

Must of missed the full explanation of the following tweet.

Goodman tells the jury to consider Smich testified he had no intention to kill anyone, and that Millard blamed Smich.
by Adam Carter 1:53 PM

Did MS not also blame DM? Was he referring specifically to the letters?

Should he not be balancing out his examples?

MOO

 

[Abitcountry]

Billandrew - are you taking notes about these decision trees? :loveyou:

We are both singing from the same page.....Just added a similar thought to an earlier post

 

[Sillybilly]

Should he not be balancing out his examples?

<rsbm>

Not really .. he's addressing salient points of evidence or lack of evidence with his interpretations and judicial analysis capabilities. JMO

 

[mozzagirl]

Court now resuming.
by Adam Carter 3:09 PM

 

[mozzagirl]

Goodman now summing up the viewpoints of the Crown and the defence, starting with the Crown. The Crown believes Millard and Smich planned to steal the truck, kill Bosma and burn his body.
by Adam Carter 3:14 PM

 

[Nickandnora]

Keeps him from waving :wave:

Good one sillybilly

 

[MrsThreadgoode]

Wow.....this has become almost impossible to fully comprehend without visual aids in hand as Justice Goodman speaks.
Following on line with minimal information from tweets and no handouts.....I'm thinking we are pretty much SOL until this evening when the different media outlets start putting out something we can print out.

Brain flash.....WSers have a unique and powerful resource. It's Billandrew. I can't think of a single other person who could better organize all of the Decision Trees and choices.

Poor guy ... Would hate to add to his workload, lol [emoji4]


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[mozzagirl]

Goodman talking about the Crown's allegation that both Millard and Smich knowingly committed murder. Mentions that the Crown doesn't have to prove motive.
by Adam Carter 3:17 PM

Goodman harkens back to Leitch's "sometimes killers just kill" explanation.
by Adam Carter 3:17 PM

 

[mozzagirl]

The Crown submits the two working together after the murder shows that this was their plan all along, Goodman says.
by Adam Carter 3:19 PM

 

[mozzagirl]

"The Crown submits they acted exactly as you would expect killers to act," Goodman says, adding the Crown wants a 1st degree murder conviction.
by Adam Carter 3:21 PM

Goodman now moving on to Millard's legal team. They say the Crown hasn't proved murder beyond a reasonable doubt, and that he didn't know Smich brought a gun.
by Adam Carter 3:22 PM

 

[mozzagirl]

Millard's lawyers say that his demeanor at the Bosma home show that Millard had no plans to kill, unlike Smich.
by Adam Carter 3:24 PM

Goodman also points to Millard's lawyer's assertion that everyone around him knew he wanted a truck.
by Adam Carter 3:25 PM

 

[mozzagirl]

Goodman also points out that Millard didn't have any worries about hiding his online browser history, which had Bosma's truck ad in it.
by Adam Carter 3:26 PM

Goodman also points out the point that Millard didn't try to conceal the incinerator.
by Adam Carter 3:27 PM

 

[mozzagirl]

The judge is now running through all the other points that Millard's lawyers made as to why their client isn't guilty.
by Adam Carter 3:28 PM


Hah, I guess AC is getting tired of typing out the same things over and over.