Boulder Colorado News

[RiverRat]

Wonderful find, Camper! I will be sharing this with the FFJ crew as we missed out on this one.

 

[BOESP]

Has Boulder left this case open? If so, is anyone assigned to work the case?

Is it officially a cold case now that it is over ten years old? If so, does Boulder have an appointed or volunteer cold case squad?

If neither of the above apply, what is the official status?

 

[coloradokares]

Has Boulder left this case open? If so, is anyone assigned to work the case?

Is it officially a cold case now that it is over ten years old? If so, does Boulder have an appointed or volunteer cold case squad?

If neither of the above apply, what is the official status?

As of the JMK case it was open however it was not being actively worked so as anyone could tell till that whole bogus charade started to blow some smoke. Personally I think that was all so much Baloney timed to make Patsys funeral less a spectacle and by provding the appearnce of working the case around the anniversary of her death, They had Karr groomed and ready didnt they for that horse and pony show. That is my personal opinion based on how stupid do they really think we all are?!?

 

[BOESP]

As of the JMK case it was open however it was not being actively worked so as anyone could tell till that whole bogus charade started to blow some smoke. Personally I think that was all so much Baloney timed to make Patsys funeral less a spectacle and by provding the appearnce of working the case around the anniversary of her death, They had Karr groomed and ready didnt they for that horse and pony show. That is my personal opinion based on how stupid do they really think we all are?!?

Well, I must confess CK, that as an outsider (meaning I'm nowhere near Boulder) what you describe is how it appeared to me. The Karr fiasco also closely coincided with JonBenet's birthday too but I can't remember what day he was arrested.

I suppose if it is not an active case they must believe the Intruder is no longer a threat. They could at least have the decency to set the status as a cold case. I'd bet there are several retired professionals who'd foot the bill to come to Boulder and work on the case gratis.

 

[JMO8778]

As of the JMK case it was open however it was not being actively worked so as anyone could tell till that whole bogus charade started to blow some smoke. Personally I think that was all so much Baloney timed to make Patsys funeral less a spectacle and by provding the appearnce of working the case around the anniversary of her death, They had Karr groomed and ready didnt they for that horse and pony show. That is my personal opinion based on how stupid do they really think we all are?!?

I won't say who it was,but I was reading a celebrity's blog the other day,(this is someone older,from the 70's),and she was talking about Britney and all the latest ppl 'in the news',and how it's all just a show,just to keep their name in the news.I see it no different w. 'The Karr Fiasco',and perhaps even more so with that.(that would make a great book title,btw,I hope someone eventually writes one on it).

 

[coloradokares]

Well, I must confess CK, that as an outsider (meaning I'm nowhere near Boulder) what you describe is how it appeared to me. The Karr fiasco also closely coincided with JonBenet's birthday too but I can't remember what day he was arrested.

I suppose if it is not an active case they must believe the Intruder is no longer a threat. They could at least have the decency to set the status as a cold case. I'd bet there are several retired professionals who'd foot the bill to come to Boulder and work on the case gratis.

I am sure you are right. I also believe that is why Lacey leaves the case open but under the auspices of the DA. That way all they have to say is our umbrella is still up and that is that. I assure you if that "bumper shoot" ever comes down and that case is officially worked again "stuff" could hit the fan. We were all hoping that with Gov. Ritter that might shake things up. When the Karr thing bombed so spectacularly a few of us grew way over opptimistic. We thought a Office of special prosecuter might at last be appointed. If for no other reason than to save face and further humiliation. :banghead:

 

[DeeDee249]

Doesn't every murder case have to remain open till solved? I mean, it can become a cold case after a time, but the case can't be closed till it is solved. There is no statute of limitations on murder cases. The Boulder DA can't simply close it. So in that respect, Lacy can easily give the impression they are still working on the case by stating that it is still open. It may be open, but no one in the DA's office has worked on that case in 9 years.
Now, if they said it was closed- we'd know they had solved it and declined to prosecute. And in my mind that would indicate 2 things: They can't prosecute because the perp is dead (PR) OR they can't prosecute because the perp was under 10 years old (BR). (Or he was involved somehow)

 

[coloradokares]

Doesn't every murder case have to remain open till solved? I mean, it can become a cold case after a time, but the case can't be closed till it is solved. There is no statute of limitations on murder cases. The Boulder DA can't simply close it. So in that respect, Lacy can easily give the impression they are still working on the case by stating that it is still open. It may be open, but no one in the DA's office has worked on that case in 9 years.
Now, if they said it was closed- we'd know they had solved it and declined to prosecute. And in my mind that would indicate 2 things: They can't prosecute because the perp is dead (PR) OR they can't prosecute because the perp was under 10 years old (BR). (Or he was involved somehow)

They are not activley doing anything either it sits warehoused and thats about it other than waiting for a hit on CODIS . So essentially it for all intents and purposes is as cold as a popsickle on a -25* blizzard morning.

 

[BOESP]

Doesn't every murder case have to remain open till solved? I mean, it can become a cold case after a time, but the case can't be closed till it is solved. There is no statute of limitations on murder cases. The Boulder DA can't simply close it. So in that respect, Lacy can easily give the impression they are still working on the case by stating that it is still open. It may be open, but no one in the DA's office has worked on that case in 9 years.
Now, if they said it was closed- we'd know they had solved it and declined to prosecute. And in my mind that would indicate 2 things: They can't prosecute because the perp is dead (PR) OR they can't prosecute because the perp was under 10 years old (BR). (Or he was involved somehow)

Cases in some states can be active, inactive, or closed. Closed usually means solved but in some states it can also mean there's good reason to believe the perpetrator has died even if never charged with the crime. I would suspect each state has it's own guidelines. Yes, there is no statute of limitations on murder where I live but I don't know about Colorado.

I know it's an unpopular frame of mind, but I still wonder about Burke and the under-ten rule. But if he had a hand in her death from roughhousing or a brotherly outburst it would still be accidental. So why wouldn't John and Patsy call 911? I don't believe they'd risk letting JonBenet die just to protect Burke. Guess we'll never know but I sometimes think John and Burke were doing something together and JonBenet somehow became involved in something accidental. Regardless, Patsy wrote that note and she agreed with Steve Thomas that whoever wrote the note was the killer.

 

[DeeDee249]

I know it's an unpopular frame of mind, but I still wonder about Burke and the under-ten rule. But if he had a hand in her death from roughhousing or a brotherly outburst it would still be accidental. So why wouldn't John and Patsy call 911? I don't believe they'd risk letting JonBenet die just to protect Burke. Guess we'll never know but I sometimes think John and Burke were doing something together and JonBenet somehow became involved in something accidental. Regardless, Patsy wrote that note and she agreed with Steve Thomas that whoever wrote the note was the killer.

If BR had anything to do with this, it was not simply roughhousing or an outburst. Whatever the Rs may have been, they would not have let JBR die for something like that. The only way that works is if he was the one who bashed her skull and they thought she was already dead and staged the crime from that point. But they could still have done the note/kidnapping/you-called-cops-so-we-killed-her thing without such an elaborate staging.
I don't know about this one...
BR was an odd kid, IMHO, but this would be hard to seem blase about.

 

[BOESP]

If BR had anything to do with this, it was not simply roughhousing or an outburst. Whatever the Rs may have been, they would not have let JBR die for something like that. The only way that works is if he was the one who bashed her skull and they thought she was already dead and staged the crime from that point. But they could still have done the note/kidnapping/you-called-cops-so-we-killed-her thing without such an elaborate staging.
I don't know about this one...
BR was an odd kid, IMHO, but this would be hard to seem blase about.

I guess I have a different perspective on the injury because the wound, to me, indicates JonBenet hit something instead of something hitting her.

In my view, it wasn't elaborately staged. Really, all they did was write a ransom note, clean and probably redress her, use the ligature, then wrap her in a blanket and put her in the farthest recess of the house. The rest of the suspected actions, like cleaning the flashlight, were probably done for CYA purposes. The cleaning of JonBenet may also have been CYA.

My main reason for not thinking Burke was involved is he was a nine-year-old boy. They aren't likely to keep a secret that long. They'd tell someone. Maybe he did. Maybe he told a minister or psychiatrist. Who knows????? I just wish Boulder would turn those case papers and evidence over to someone. :furious:

 

[DeeDee249]

I guess I have a different perspective on the injury because the wound, to me, indicates JonBenet hit something instead of something hitting her.

In my view, it wasn't elaborately staged. Really, all they did was write a ransom note, clean and probably redress her, use the ligature, then wrap her in a blanket and put her in the farthest recess of the house. The rest of the suspected actions, like cleaning the flashlight, were probably done for CYA purposes. The cleaning of JonBenet may also have been CYA.

My main reason for not thinking Burke was involved is he was a nine-year-old boy. They aren't likely to keep a secret that long. They'd tell someone. Maybe he did. Maybe he told a minister or psychiatrist. Who knows????? I just wish Boulder would turn those case papers and evidence over to someone. :furious:

Yes, I do feel her skull was hit rather than her skull hitting something.
But I also feel the staging WAS elaborate. Re-read your statement. There were several steps in that process. Wipe her down. Search wrapped gifts for new panties. Remove her undies and replace them with brand- new similar undies. Fashion a garotte from cord and a paintbrush from the handy paint tote right there. Tie the garotte, as well as loosely tying her wrists. Tape her mouth (and legs?) Redress her in her long johns. Wrap her in her blacket. Place her in the wineceller. Write a fake ransom note to deflect blame away from parents. Just the garotte alone is a kind of far-fetched scheme for a "kidnapper".
As far as BR- I also can't believe he has been silent so long. Of course, if he did confide in a minister or mental health professional, they would also be silenced by Colorado law, no matter how old he was when he confided, as he was under 10 at the time of the murder. But my impression of BR and his behavior after the murder is that he pushed it from his mind, repressing all thoughts about it. And he did this VERY soon after the murder. Re: "I just want to get on with my life"- said about a WEEK after his sister's death.
And I beleve he still does not think too much about it. From that moment, he became an only child- the sole object of his parent's attention. After a few years of being relegated to the background, where his sister was the "star" in the family. And I think he felt it was finally his turn.

 

[Toltec]

Why cover-up for Burke...after all, he was only 9 years old? The cover-up was for self-preservation...Patsy's. She was an adult and knew the consequences of her actions.

Patsy painted herself into a corner..she had a choice...give up or fight for her life.

 

[JMO8778]

They are not activley doing anything either it sits warehoused and thats about it other than waiting for a hit on CODIS .

and we RDI's all know there's never going to be a match on that,unless they bother to test those factory workers or material makers.
I hope all the IDI's aren't holding their breath for a match,shouldn't they know by now there isn't ever going to BE one?

 

[coloradokares]

and we RDI's all know there's never going to be a match on that,unless they bother to test those factory workers or material makers.
I hope all the IDI's aren't holding their breath for a match,shouldn't they know by now there isn't ever going to BE one?

They (IDI'S) are waiting for the Fat Lady to sing regarding a random Hit on CODIS . Thing is there is no NO FAT LADY , aww we got is some underpaid factory worker who does not even realize he le sneezed on some material that was made into some panties at least over ten years ago Its a bit late to say kazundhigt now isnt it!?!!

 

[JMO8778]

They (IDI'S) are waiting for the Fat Lady to sing regarding a random Hit on CODIS . Thing is there is no NO FAT LADY , aww we got is some underpaid factory worker who does not even realize he le sneezed on some material that was made into some panties at least over ten years ago Its a bit late to say kazundhigt now isnt it!?!!

LOL,yes,and considering all the production underwear goes through,from the material being made to the actual stitching of it,it's been handled so much by that time that it would be amazing if NO dna was found on it !
btw,anyone remember,(I think it was Dr Lee),testing new underwear and also finding dna on it?

 

[UKGuy]

I guess I have a different perspective on the injury because the wound, to me, indicates JonBenet hit something instead of something hitting her.

In my view, it wasn't elaborately staged. Really, all they did was write a ransom note, clean and probably redress her, use the ligature, then wrap her in a blanket and put her in the farthest recess of the house. The rest of the suspected actions, like cleaning the flashlight, were probably done for CYA purposes. The cleaning of JonBenet may also have been CYA.

My main reason for not thinking Burke was involved is he was a nine-year-old boy. They aren't likely to keep a secret that long. They'd tell someone. Maybe he did. Maybe he told a minister or psychiatrist. Who knows????? I just wish Boulder would turn those case papers and evidence over to someone. :furious:

BOESP,

In my view, it wasn't elaborately staged.

Depends on your definition of elaborate? But staged it was, and it is safe to assume she was not assaulted and asphyxiated whilst wrapped in blankets, so the blankets were not a sudden afterthought.

I'm not certain how rare it is, but lets say uncommon, for a complete staged crime-scene to be attempted, thats what the wine-cellar is. Many other staged crimes rely on accident, arson, water, faking a burglary, or allegedly in a case currently ongoing in the UK, leaving the body in-situ and faking a death by drug-overdose. JonBenet's corpse was relocated, redressed, cleaned up, with the garrote and restraints added. The foregoing tends towards the elaborate in my estimation?


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[DeeDee249]

I also feel it IS a rather elaborate staging. Setting the house on fire to hide the body is actually a simpler way. But the Rs were too materialsitic for that. All those trophies....

 

[BOESP]

BOESP,

Depends on your definition of elaborate? But staged it was, and it is safe to assume she was not assaulted and asphyxiated whilst wrapped in blankets, so the blankets were not a sudden afterthought.

I'm not certain how rare it is, but lets say uncommon, for a complete staged crime-scene to be attempted, thats what the wine-cellar is. Many other staged crimes rely on accident, arson, water, faking a burglary, or allegedly in a case currently ongoing in the UK, leaving the body in-situ and faking a death by drug-overdose. JonBenet's corpse was relocated, redressed, cleaned up, with the garrote and restraints added. The foregoing tends towards the elaborate in my estimation?


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I definitely believe evidence suggests the scene was staged. Sorry to be ambiguous about that. It wasn't, in my opinion, elaborate:

1. Planned or executed with painstaking attention to numerous parts or details. 2. Intricate and rich in detail. (American Heritage Dictionary)
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I'm not firmly decided on whether she died in her bedroom or downstairs; I'm not firmly decided whether her clothing was changed although I believe the size 12 panties suggests someone changed her underwear. I'd say elaborate would entail more detail such as adding make-up; posing the body, redressing in something other than sleepwear such as a frilly party dress, crinolines, her crown; mutilating the body; placing things around the body in a ritualistic way; styling the hair (which may be a possibility in this case); leaving the body on display instead of hidden. To me, it was an amateur staging and not particularly elaborate but what's important is it was staged.

 

[JMO8778]

placing things around the body in a ritualistic way;

I wonder if that happened,b/c there is one line crossed out at the very end,in the description of her body being found.it's in the documents on acandyrose.com.