Brad Cooper April 1st Weekend

[ncsu95]

When was the garage supposedly cleaned out?

I thought there was testimony that Nancy said "But you still can't park a car in there" or something along those lines, which indicates that he did work on the garage while she was gone, just didn't get everything.

 

[Just the Fax]

Exactly. There was not blunt force trauma.

The ME said he could not determine if she had abrasions or bruising because of decomp. A struggle in the foyer could have easily destroyed these things w/o BFT.

 

[Just the Fax]

I thought there was testimony that Nancy said "But you still can't park a car in there" or something along those lines, which indicates that he did work on the garage while she was gone, just didn't get everything.

I think you meant from JA.... " you still could not park a car in there"

 

[cityslick]

I agree. IIRC, it takes an onion 3 to 3 1/2 hrs. to digest.

Do you remember what type of dip it was?

Another reason that the state is trying to put TOD closer to 1am than 4am.

 

[sunshine05]

He didn't

Maybe you should go back and listen because he did say he probably went by and hit the downstairs bathroom floor real quick since it is such a small area. I don't know about cleaning the rest of the bathroom but he did say he did the floor area.

 

[Just the Fax]

Another reason that the state is trying to put TOD closer to 1am than 4am.

Certainly makes after 7AM very unlikely.

 

[DogWood]

It was homemade avocado salad

Yes, I know about the salad but someone saw her eating dip as well. I just can't remember what type of dip it was. I do remember it sounded awful tho. lol

Something with pumice in it?

 

[cityslick]

I think you meant from JA.... " you still could not park a car in there"

Right, JA testified that NC said that to BC (wednesday?) after it had came up that he said he cleaned the garage. So there may be slight truth that he did work in the garage, perhaps reorganize some stuff.

 

[SleuthinNC]

Yes, I know about the salad but someone saw her eating dip as well. I just can't remember what type of dip it was. I do remember it sounded awful tho. lol

Something with pumice in it?

LOL! Maybe hummus?

 

[LyndyLoo]

That time would have put him pretty much getting right back to the house from the 2nd trip so either he left the garage door open when he went to HT the 2nd time (pretty stupid imo) or he was parked in there. I don't recall if there has been any evidence of seeing whether both cars were in the driveway the morning (7am-12pm) of the 12th.

Me neither, and I wonder if pros. is finished with neighbour testimony??..Guess we will have to wait and see..

Speculating.. Brad started to clean out garage that morning but hadnt finished it yet.. Only going by his dep that he had worked all that week up to including Friday 11th, and the "Bug Guy" saw the mess and clutter on the 8th..I would have to assume he did that cleanup on Sat AM sometime...so he could put one of the cars in there...Who knows..maybe he cleaned that out when kids went to bed and Nancy was still at the party Fri.evening???..

 

[sunshine05]

I'm interested in the Interact story. Apparently we have no evidence that NC called?

I believe it has been confirmed that she did not call, but not sure if that was through Interact or phone records.

 

[Just the Fax]

Maybe you should go back and listen because he did say he probably went by and hit the downstairs bathroom floor real quick since it is such a small area. I don't know about cleaning the rest of the bathroom but he did say he did the floor area.

I listened to his testimony about cleaning the upstairs floor.
(where the struggle started , IMO).When asked, he said he didn't clean the bathrooms (Ms Stubbs had a specific point and she got her answer)
Like I said, most folks address their bathrooms in some way, especially if you go on a whirlwind cleaning spree for hours.

 

[DogWood]

LOL! Maybe hummus?

Yeah, what you said!

:floorlaugh:

ETA: I'm not a fan of hummus either....but it does sound better than pumice!

 

[DogWood]

Another reason that the state is trying to put TOD closer to 1am than 4am.

I really think the undigested onion is huge.

 

[gbay]

I'd like to go back to the real estates testimony again..Did he or not clearify he sent a followup email with places that Nancy wanted to know about?..Did she call this man or did she email him? (IIRC she called??)

IF indeed he did, that may very well have the final catalyst for Brad to DO SOMETHING about it..We already understand Nancy left her laptop, important documents locked in her car..so maybe when he got the kids to bed that night,,he was able to get into that car and remove items and look at her laptop...then of course with his extpertise..maybe he didnt even have to have the laptop to do that snooping?? and later got the key off of Nancy when she returned to the house after midnight (12/07/08)?? ETA~...But for some reason Brad seemed to be in possession things he really shouldnt have had when the police came there that afternoon???

Please forgive me..My sometimers disease seems to be affecting me today of some details..:crazy::waitasec:

I went back and listened to the realtors testimony and he states that he left a long voice mail to Nancy stating that perhaps they could meet next Tuesday or Wednesday. Over the weekend he would send her some choices of Townhouses, Apts etc. He never said (that I heard) that he sent the list.

I also read in one of the search warrants that Brad (since April 2008) was having a copy of all Nancy's email sent to his gmail account. He read Nancy's email 3x on July 11. The last time at 10:13 P.M. (when he said he was sleeping).

 

[cody100]

He said he cleaned it out the previous week but the exterminator said the right side still had 10-12 toys . I did notice that he said that the left side usually was completely packed.

Brad could have cleaned the garage up, but when they returned 10 or 12 of their toys could easily get thrown back over in the unpacking of the car from their vacation. I am not saying it is the case, but it is possible when you consider just 10 or 12 toys were over there. As for the ducks and candle sticks, I am not at all sure that is concrete proof of homicide in the foyer.

 

[CyberPro]

I'd like to go back to the real estates testimony again..Did he or not clearify he sent a followup email with places that Nancy wanted to know about?..Did she call this man or did she email him? (IIRC she called??)

IF indeed he did, that may very well have the final catalyst for Brad to DO SOMETHING about it..We already understand Nancy left her laptop, important documents locked in her car..so maybe when he got the kids to bed that night,,he was able to get into that car and remove items and look at her laptop...then of course with his extpertise..maybe he didnt even have to have the laptop to do that snooping?? and later got the key off of Nancy when she returned to the house after midnight (12/07/08)?? ETA~...But for some reason Brad seemed to be in possession things he really shouldnt have had when the police came there that afternoon???

Please forgive me..My sometimers disease seems to be affecting me today of some details..:crazy::waitasec:

I agree that BC seems to have had some posessions that should have been locked away, but I don't think he needed the laptop to know every e-mail NC had received. It has not been admitted into evidence yet, but in some of the earlier readings it seemed that they were indicating that BC had created another e-mail account on the RoadRunner system that was getting all mail sent to NC's account. He could then get the e-mail from the copied account, and she would not see that he was monitoring her messages.

When you get RoadRunner for Internet Access there is a designated Master account. You can use this account to create e-mail sub-accounts, and one of the options is to have any messages received by one account forwarded to a different account. This can be useful, for example: suppose you have a gmail account and you use it all the time, but don't use the RoadRunner account much. You forward all the messages from the RR account to the gmail account. This is not the only reason you might want to set up something like this, but it can be useful.

 

[sunshine05]

I'd like to go back to the real estates testimony again..Did he or not clearify he sent a followup email with places that Nancy wanted to know about?..Did she call this man or did she email him? (IIRC she called??)

IF indeed he did, that may very well have the final catalyst for Brad to DO SOMETHING about it..We already understand Nancy left her laptop, important documents locked in her car..so maybe when he got the kids to bed that night,,he was able to get into that car and remove items and look at her laptop...then of course with his extpertise..maybe he didnt even have to have the laptop to do that snooping?? and later got the key off of Nancy when she returned to the house after midnight (12/07/08)?? ETA~...But for some reason Brad seemed to be in possession things he really shouldnt have had when the police came there that afternoon???

Please forgive me..My sometimers disease seems to be affecting me today of some details..:crazy::waitasec:

There is evidence he did have things set up to receive her emails automatically and there is evidence that he read 3 of them on the 11th. We don't know the content of them yet though. (I shouldn't say for sure though, since this was reported in the newspaper and we all know they have been inaccurate with certain things).

 

[SleuthinNC]

There is evidence he did have things set up to receive her emails automatically and there is evidence that he read 3 of them on the 11th. We don't know the content of them yet though. (I shouldn't say for sure though, since this was reported in the newspaper and we all know they have been inaccurate with certain things).

So here is a question, how do we know that he read the emails? I don't recall where that info came from.

 

[SleuthSayer]

Maybe this belongs in the timeline thread, but I am trying to work out all the actions that BC claims to have done.

1. Up at 4AM with crying baby.
2. Supposedly stays up trying to quiet her.
3. 2 hours later, goes to HT for Milk
4. 17 minutes later, returns to HT for Detergent.
5. Takes baby into office to give milk.
6. Somewhere in here, timing unclear, doing laundry.
7. NC leaves for a "run"
8. BC Launches into his imitation of Mr. Clean (after 7AM)
9. Google searches, mops all floors downstairs, continues laundry until 12:30ish.

10. Leaves to look for NC....

So, this gives him between 7AM and 12:30 to do all that cleaning, laundry and STILL have time to do google searches? Man... that guy must have looked like the "White Tornado"....

Yeah, but if he did it, it seems like the list becomes:

1. NC gets home around midnight
<Possibly a 4 hour delay if you go with the 4am murder theory>
2. Fight
3. Murder
<Some ordering of the following>
4. Body preparation (remove clothes, add sports bra)
5. Google searches to find a dump site
6. Garage cleaning to be able to get a car in
7. Loading body in car
8. Drive to dump site and unload
9. Mad cleaning (done remarkably well if all he missed was one piece of straw)
10. Laundry
11. Phone magic to set up spoofed call
12. Goes to HT for Milk
13. 17 minutes later, after supposedly returning home, returns to HT for Detergent.
14. Disposal of his shoes and, two missing running shoes, foyer ducks, etc
15. Vacuuming of trunk, car cleanup, etc
16. Kids get up <Not sure what time, probably early since they are young>

I'm guessing that most of these, with the exception of the laundry, had to have been done before the kids got up since it would be too high risk to let the 4 year old see him doing them because she was old enough to report that she saw it, particularly since supposedly it was unusual to see dad doing them.

Certainly the mad cleaning had to have been done before they got up because otherwise they could have tracked whatever he was trying to clean up all over the house.

So, whether his story or the prosecution's story is correct, he got a lot done in a relatively short amount of time.