Brad Cooper April 1st Weekend

[jmflu]

I believe that Brad had retrieved passports from his office during an earlier interview. He may have thrown them there after the interview. (It's not like he was worried about Nancy coming back and taking them.) MOO

But didn't she have one and he had the other up until the end?

 

[sunshine05]

I think her cleaning habits truly changed after she found out for certain Brad had that affair..(likely Feb 2008..or even earlier..) however things really changed from the time the water was turned off..Brad sleepig in extra BR..and refusing to do one thing for him..laundry, clean his room etc...My oh my..I can only imagine the tension in that house :truce:..Brad's Bathroom wasnt cleaned by her either....

Nancy may not have been a model Housekeeper..but she did alot of things with those kids it seems...Brad did his own thing...only what he had to do..and it seems for some reason he felt compelled to clean the house, garage and shop??..None of which was his normal behaviors:waitasec:

You do know that the water bill had been late and/or turned off numerous times within a one year time span? It wasn't just post-separation.

If I were separated I wouldn't clean my husband's bathroom or do his laundry either.

I don't think it's been proven that it was out of character for him to clean floors. How would anyone know that unless they lived with them?

 

[SleuthyGal]

This leaves (1), the only possibility. Brad lied about this. Why would Brad lie about Nancy telling him he went running with CC?

calgary, brilliant deduction!

 

[LyndyLoo]

You do know that the water bill had been late and/or turned off numerous times within a one year time span? It wasn't just post-separation.If I were separated I wouldn't clean my husband's bathroom or do his laundry either.

I don't think it's been proven that it was out of character for him to clean floors. How would anyone know that unless they lived with them?

BBM~~ I truly did not know this..Has it been testified to?? If so I apoligize sincerely..yet I took from Ms Cook's testimony of water cut off and all accounts cut off when she went to pay it?? for Nancy was such a huge thing..that she (Ms Cook) felt compelled to call Interact??..

Sorry IF I was mistaken on that detail.:waitasec:

Just as aside..I did hear some discussion in court about Brad possibly going out to the road and turning off the water at the street??..Was that the truth..or just a speculated question??..Not sure..

It seems at times these two were having a "War of the Roses" confrontations..Not really funny...but do believe they tormented each other!!
Those poor kids caught in the middle of this :maddening:

 

[Just the Fax]

Only if you think he's guilty.

The thing about the email from the lawyer....he already had the blood boiling draft of the agreement asking for huge amounts of $$ in child support and alimony. I wonder what more could have been in there to make it worse in his mind?

The content of the emails may be not as big of a deal as the fact that he was copying/reading them.

So you think just simply copying/reading her e-mails is a big deal....I mean motive for murder? Kurtz would not focus on this so vigorously if it was just reading e-mails and copying them to a webpage. The possibilities of what he found are endless. It likely hit him right between the eyes and he lost it.

 

[obsessive]

I keep coming back to the initial problem of Brad's explanation as to where Nancy went that morning. I call it the "original lie".

He said she went running with her friend CC. He states he knew this because Nancy told him that.

Nancy did not go running with CC, nor did she actually have plans to. These are the possibilities with regard to Nancy's alleged statement (which is heresay but admissible as an exception, but not for the truth of its contents):

(1) Brad was lying (to Nancy's friends, the police and those searching)
(2) Brad was mistaken
(3) Nancy was lying (to Brad)
(4) Nancy was mistaken
(5) Nancy changed her mind

Lets take these in reverse order.

(5) is not possible because Nancy did not tell either CC or her painting friend of her change in plans. If she wanted to go running with CC on short notice, certainly CC would have at least received a call from Nancy. It did not happen. (5) is excluded.

For (4) to be possible, it means Nancy was confused as to her plans that morning. It means Nancy forgot or misunderstood what she had planned that morning. It would also mean that she somehow thought she made a plan with her friend CC, and the evidence is clear from her friend that no such plan existed. Nancy is normally intelligent or better and had made the painting plans only a day earlier. She would not have forgotten or have been mistaken. (4) is not possible.

As for (3), this raises what I call the _________ sort of argument (insert particular poster in the blank... no offense intended.). Nancy was having an affair, Nancy lied to Brad to cover up what she was really doing. Whether or not Nancy was having an affair -- and keeping in mind it is possible -- on this fateful morning we can be certain she did not intend to meet her lover assuming one existed (and I don't believe one did exist at this time). She made a plan with her friend to paint. She did not call that friend to cancel. Brad even bought a plastic sheet and other supplies for Nancy to paint with. She did not call CC to go running. She was not lying about her intention to go painting Saturday morning. (3) can also be discarded as a possibility.

Lets talk about (2). Brad was asked by Nancy's friends where she was. This was on the same day, within hours of her supposedly doing it. Brad volunteered she was running with CC. Since Brad gave this information voluntarily, and within hours of her allegedly doing it, and since he is also normally intelligent or better, we know he was not mistaken. It is not possible he mistakenly believed Nancy was running with CC, because he claims that is what Nancy told him. He is normally intelligent or better and would not have made such a mistake. (2) is excluded.

This leaves (1), the only possibility. Brad lied about this. Why would Brad lie about Nancy telling him he went running with CC? We know Nancy was dead by this time. This original lie is damning and to me demonstrates clearly Brad is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. There is no reason for him to lie about this unless he's trying to cover up what we know already happened.

I put this out there and am open minded enough to consider counter-arguments, but I don't just think he did it, I think its been proven.

I am so glad you posted this!! I couldn't agree more!! I believed all along that the 'deciding factor' (for me) would be CC's testimony!!!

 

[Just the Fax]

Speaking of computers, don't forget Kurtz got his panties in a wad about the network security and who in the neighborhood could have entered his computer or CPD tampering. This will not just be about Nancy's e-mails, but much more.
Should be interesting.

 

[sunshine05]

So you think just simply copying/reading her e-mails is a big deal....I mean motive for murder? Kurtz would not focus on this so vigorously if it was just reading e-mails and copying them to a webpage. The possibilities of what he found are endless. It likely hit him right between the eyes and he lost it.

No, I don't. I'm just saying that I won't be surprised if the contents are boring, thus not supplying a motive.

 

[sunshine05]

BBM~~ I truly did not know this..Has it been testified to?? If so I apoligize sincerely..yet I took from Ms Cook's testimony of water cut off and all accounts cut off when she went to pay it?? for Nancy was such a huge thing..that she (Ms Cook) felt compelled to call Interact??..

Sorry IF I was mistaken on that detail.:waitasec:

Just as aside..I did hear some discussion in court about Brad possibly going out to the road and turning off the water at the street??..Was that the truth..or just a speculated question??..Not sure..

It seems at times these two were having a "War of the Roses" confrontations..Not really funny...but do believe they tormented each other!!
Those poor kids caught in the middle of this :maddening:

Yeah, it was in testimony under cross. I can't remember the witness but Kurtz read off all the late/shut offs in the past year or two and it was close to a dozen times.

Kurtz asked something about BC turning off the water valve to the house when he was questioning the real estate agent but I don't remember the specifics. Anyone?

 

[NCEast]

I went back and began reading the posts on this forum that began in July, 08 at the time Nancy went missing. I haven't finished all of them yet but there are several from people who knew him from Canada (including one or two who have posted recently) and many opinions from others about how this will all turn out. Very interesting as a lot of what was being said back then is being played out at this time in the trial two years later.
For anyone who is interested, just go to the bottom of this page and start with "Seriously Searching". It's time consuming but I have enjoyed reading those very earliest posts.

 

[johnfear]

Nice post Calgary.

What if the emails prove #3 and then possibly provide the state with the pre-med?

(Nancy WAS lying to Brad and an email confirmation of the lie WAS read by BC)

That could explain why the indictment was so focused on 1st Degree.

 

[cody100]

I keep coming back to the initial problem of Brad's explanation as to where Nancy went that morning. I call it the "original lie".

He said she went running with her friend CC. He states he knew this because Nancy told him that.

Nancy did not go running with CC, nor did she actually have plans to. These are the possibilities with regard to Nancy's alleged statement (which is heresay but admissible as an exception, but not for the truth of its contents):

(1) Brad was lying (to Nancy's friends, the police and those searching)
(2) Brad was mistaken
(3) Nancy was lying (to Brad)
(4) Nancy was mistaken
(5) Nancy changed her mind

Lets take these in reverse order.

(5) is not possible because Nancy did not tell either CC or her painting friend of her change in plans. If she wanted to go running with CC on short notice, certainly CC would have at least received a call from Nancy. It did not happen. (5) is excluded.

For (4) to be possible, it means Nancy was confused as to her plans that morning. It means Nancy forgot or misunderstood what she had planned that morning. It would also mean that she somehow thought she made a plan with her friend CC, and the evidence is clear from her friend that no such plan existed. Nancy is normally intelligent or better and had made the painting plans only a day earlier. She would not have forgotten or have been mistaken. (4) is not possible.

As for (3), this raises what I call the _________ sort of argument (insert particular poster in the blank... no offense intended.). Nancy was having an affair, Nancy lied to Brad to cover up what she was really doing. Whether or not Nancy was having an affair -- and keeping in mind it is possible -- on this fateful morning we can be certain she did not intend to meet her lover assuming one existed (and I don't believe one did exist at this time). She made a plan with her friend to paint. She did not call that friend to cancel. Brad even bought a plastic sheet and other supplies for Nancy to paint with. She did not call CC to go running. She was not lying about her intention to go painting Saturday morning. (3) can also be discarded as a possibility.

Lets talk about (2). Brad was asked by Nancy's friends where she was. This was on the same day, within hours of her supposedly doing it. Brad volunteered she was running with CC. Since Brad gave this information voluntarily, and within hours of her allegedly doing it, we know he was not mistaken. It is not possible he mistakenly believed Nancy was running with CC, because he claims that is what Nancy told him. He is normally intelligent or better and would not have made such a mistake. (2) is excluded.

This leaves (1), the only possibility. Brad lied about this. Why would Brad lie about Nancy telling him he went running with CC? We know Nancy was dead by this time. This original lie is damning and to me demonstrates clearly Brad is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. There is no reason for him to lie about this unless he's trying to cover up what we know already happened.

I put this out there and am open minded enough to consider counter-arguments, but I don't just think he did it, I think its been proven.

I follow your possible scenarios regarding Brad's comments about Nancy's going running. Based on your reasoning, I could eliminate number 4 and 5 since I don't think Nancy would be mistaken or change her mind. Number 3could be possible if she told Brad the running story to get out of the house and still make it back to paint even if she were a little bit late. I don't think you can eliminate this with certainty. Number 2 can't be eliminated. He may have been mistaken that it was CC she was running with since he probably didn't listen too closely to what she may have said. And of course Number 1 is certainly a likely scenario. So, to recap, I don't think it is possible at this point to eliminate scenarios 2 and 3 with certainty. And as yet, I don't think the evidence has proven scenario 1 without reasonable doubt. However, by this time next week, I might agree completely with you once we have additional information by the FBI experts.

 

[borndem]

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/12/05/4086622/warrant.swf

Found the actual Search warrant in the legal documents above.

Thanks for the link.

This is big.

Start the bus to the Big House.....

Tick, tock....

 

[borndem]

I can't wait to hear what was in those emails.

You can bet there was a ticking bomb in at least one of 'em....

Really scary. Poor little Nancy. Thinking her relationship with her attorney was confidential. Oh, what did she say that set him off? Gives me chills.

 

[borndem]

I agree, something in those emails in the last two days before Nancy 'went missing', sealed her fate IMO. Hence the first degree murder charge.

GLEE, I think you have nailed that one. First Degree Murder, there it is.

 

[less0305]

Calgary - I'm loving your reasoning!

 

[LyndyLoo]

I follow your possible scenarios regarding Brad's comments about Nancy's going running. Based on your reasoning, I could eliminate number 4 and 5 since I don't think Nancy would be mistaken or change her mind. Number 3could be possible if she told Brad the running story to get out of the house and still make it back to paint even if she were a little bit late. I don't think you can eliminate this with certainty. Number 2 can't be eliminated. He may have been mistaken that it was CC she was running with since he probably didn't listen too closely to what she may have said. And of course Number 1 is certainly a likely scenario. So, to recap, I don't think it is possible at this point to eliminate scenarios 2 and 3 with certainty. And as yet, I don't think the evidence has proven scenario 1 without reasonable doubt. However, by this time next week, I might agree completely with you once we have additional information by the FBI experts.

My only problem for Brad being in the know as to just who or when she could have been meeting to jog..or to paint for that matter..I truly do NOT believe Nancy gave any details to BRAD at all...since like for a very long time...I get the impression she only shared what she had to with him...

Having said that...I do think that Brad knew precisely what Nancy had plans for and with whom..when where and why ( BUT not from Nancy directly)..BY reading her emails or checking her text messages..He truly seemed to be watching, checking, listening, reading everything she did, for a very long time..like back when he brought all the computer stuff into the home that Nancy demanded to be removed...

Just my impression...He knew precisely what she did, said and planned..and just couldnt stand it..together with her confrontation.. Brad may well have been tipped over the edge that night.. I do think that urgent request to move her and the kids OUT may have it!!JMO

 

[borndem]

Speaking of computers, don't forget Kurtz got his panties in a wad about the network security and who in the neighborhood could have entered his computer or CPD tampering. This will not just be about Nancy's e-mails, but much more.
Should be interesting.

Ewwww... Nasty thought -- hadn't considered that angle. If he saw emails from/to her buds, that is more heavy-duty dynamite. What's a poor man to do, just sit there and take it???

Again, scary and chilling. That poor, poor woman. Oh she was in such danger. So very very sad.

 

[cody100]

Having said that...I do think that Brad knew precisely what Nancy had plans for and with whom..when where and why ( BUT not from Nancy directly)..BY reading her emails or checking her text messages..He truly seemed to be watching, checking, listening, reading everything she did, for a very long time..like back when he brought all the computer stuff into the home that Nancy demanded to be removed...

Just my impression...He knew precisely what she did, said and planned..and just couldnt stand it..together with her confrontation.. Brad may well have been tipped over the edge that night.. I do think that urgent request to move her and the kids OUT may have it!!JMO

I am pretty certain he couldn't get into the text messages on her phone. She had it locked. The emails he could see. And yes, he could have been tipped over the edge that night.

 

[borndem]

But didn't she have one and he had the other up until the end?

I think you're right. Good get.

Let me add: Having only one child's passport is like having one earring....