Brad Cooper April 1st Weekend

[SleuthyGal]

I sure hope this doesn't happen, but in the event Brad gets off and is a free man, wonder what will happen with child custody? I would hope Krista would remain custodial guardian?

From your lips to G-d's ears. Let's hope justice is served.

 

[borndem]

There are too many reasons to name as to why I feel BC murdered Nancy.
On 07/16/2008, post 291, thread #2, I answered a post by Just the Fax that stated "Police say the womans (Nancy) death was not random."

In my post I stated that Nancy may have been strangled or suffocated and with no signs of sexual abuse (rape).

I feel that BC started out attempting to suffocate Nancy with a pillow in her bed. I believe the pillowcase to that pillow was the one found in the hamper in her bathroom. I have no proof of that, though. I believe Nancy woke up and was in a fight for her life. Nancy could have run down the stairs running for the front door and somehow fallen onto the decorative branches in the large vase. The branches are brittle and would break easily. I think Nancy died in that foyer. The ducks were probably knocked off of the credenza. Brad then strangles her. Just my scenario of what could have happened.

Of course I found out later that the ME could not determine rape or sexual abuse due to the state of decomposition. I wrote then that I felt it was the husband. I have not changed my mind since.

Going back and reading the early threads would be very tedious and hard to do at this point, but had you followed this case from the beginning, it would be so easy to understand why some people have felt from the beginning that BC did murder Nancy. It was such an evolving case with some misinformation and with some very good information. And speculate is something that is done in every case here at WS.

I do not mean to interrupt the flow here. I am still catching up.

JMO

My theory of how "it" happened is very like yours -- it started in the bed with one of his hands on the pillow over her face & the other at her neck and NC is on her back. But she is very strong and determined to live for those little girls.

Struggle, chase, maybe vomiting or bowels [Crohn's flare-up, plus alcohol & a diet coke perhaps before bed to settle her stomach (caffeine intake)] He gets her at the front door, possible vomit in urn on top of the little stuffed animals (found wet in the bathroom sink), down she goes. He again decides to strangle her until she is dead). Is she still wearing the green dress? If so, she may indeed have a spot or two on it. My 1st theory was that he was waiting for her & ambushed her in the foyer on her return home, but I have liked the "in the bed" theory now for several days...).

 

[LaLaw2000]

I wish I had more faith in the system. I think there are too many people who simply believe if he was arrested and brought to trial he must be guilty. Personally I hope more solid evidence is shown but as of right now I don't think it is beyond a reasonable doubt but I'm not convinced that would result in not guilty.

I believe with everything in me that BC murdered Nancy. Having said that, I do have to say that before I would condemn a man to prison for life without parole if I were on the jury there would have to be more evidence than there is now.

We are not on a jury here, nor are we in a courtroom. I state my opinions as I see them.

I have been on a grand jury in the past. I have sat on one jury. It was not of the magnitude this case is. Were I on this jury and had taken an oath, I could not say guilty at this stage of the trial.

BUT, were I on the jury, I would have to think it was more likely than not that BC did this. At least this is what I would be thinking at this point in the trial. To poll guilty? Not there yet. I would stand true to my oath as a juror and consider only the evidence presented.

I do think BC will ultimately be found guilty, though. JMO

 

[borndem]

You could be right. I don't know of anyone who has been asked anything like that in a custody hearing but it would be possible. I will also say that if I found notes like that in my house I would be very much concerned too.

I would still love to know what happened or what Nancy perceived happened on that Thursday that caused her to call the realtor with the urgent message.

I think, as did another poster, IIRC, that Alice Stubbs told her to get out asap, and I think NC was beginning to be truly afraid of him as to her well-being and maybe him just snatching the girls and leaving (BC knows that the younger child is his -- she looks just like him) . Some new fear overcame her. Maybe she did speak to Interact.

 

[gracielee]

I am wondering how the issue of paternity ever came up in the first place... anyone?

IIRC, it was Kurtz in opening statement.

 

[SleuthinNC]

So you are saying kurtz suspected a motive for his client?
Why would he want to expose this:waitasec:

My take on the paternity question is the real father would want NC dead so his paternity was not exposed, and thus no child support.

No child support and no information to potentially break up his current marriage/relationship, tarnish his image, if that were the case.

 

[borndem]

If BC ever had any concern, that is a question easily answered, no?

Another missing mom, this time in Louisburg. I hope things turn out much better for her than they did for Nancy.

Oh my stars. A little prayer for good things there.

 

[LaLaw2000]

Maybe. So far I have heard little to support he had a short temper though. It would be easier to understand this if I could see a clear motive, but I can't.

Haven't you ever heard that it is the quiet ones you have to watch out for? When the quiet, resentful ones blow..................watch out!

I think BC had a very good motive........money. That is just my thought and opinion.

 

[LaLaw2000]

My interpretation was just some things for BC to check on/keep in mind as to wills and LI policies (mainly NC's policy -- to check on its whereabouts, read it over, have it ready) and to memorize those little things with the girls, becoming a single dad & all, because I don't think he knew their favorite foods or colors. Suicide never occurred to me w/BC because now he has everything to live for.

Sorry, I know that sounds harsh, but it's MOHO.

FWIW, borndem, I never thought BC made those lists while considering suicide. He may have prepared the lists for his divorce lawyers.

BC is just not the type to kill himself, IMO.

 

[barbiejet]

FWIW, borndem, I never thought BC made those lists while considering suicide. He may have prepared the lists for his divorce lawyers.

BC is just not the type to kill himself, IMO.

I don't think Brad would kill himself, or his wife (and so goes johnfear's thoughts that all joining are LE)

Have followed this since Nancy went missing...and at the same time, Caylee Anthony. Before you all jump on me, PLEASE...stop with the Laci stuff. It;s not even close. I have followed Laci since 2004 so stop.

I was glad to see many disavow from MT3K this evening, BUT, she is still a registered member...so we really can't go there....I am sure mods are aware.

Being snarky and clever about how Nancy won't ever overspend NOW? I am not sure how folks get away on this forum, that is supposed to be fair,,,,

I am just grateful for posters who have NOT predetermined the guilty verdict. I so look forward to a jury decision and some here have had it locked up since 2008....without a shred of evidence.

It's worrisome.

 

[barbiejet]

Back when Nancy was still missing, I read the Harris Teeter stuff about Brad purchasing bleach at 4 AM. I also read that Brad swiped the health club card. HA!!!!!!!!!!!

Are we ready, YET..... to say these are mis-truths?

At least ONE has been proven to be UNtrue and I think most know the other is also a lie. There have been so many misleading things on this board...why would anyone think this group is objective now?

Anyone willing to throw in the towel?

I know a lot are trying to keep the integrity of the "Cary Clique," but this really diminishes the whole...for me, (I live in NYC and haven't thought much about the Cary gals, as a whole)

 

[BrownRice]

I think, as did another poster, IIRC, that Alice Stubbs told her to get out asap, and I think NC was beginning to be truly afraid of him as to her well-being and maybe him just snatching the girls and leaving (BC knows that the younger child is his -- she looks just like him) . Some new fear overcame her. Maybe she did speak to Interact.

But don't you think NC would have told her girlfriends she was afraid and needed to get out asap? My gosh, her bug guy and realtor knew everything about her personal life. She wasn't one to keep things to herself.

Although we know she left her realtor the message she needed to get out asap, I think it was just because BC was being such a jerk and she'd had enough - not that she was scared for her life. Plus, she was a good mom. I think she would have left immediately and gone to a friend's house w/ kids in tow if the situation had escalated to violence. She would have done anything to protect her kids - that's what a mom does.

 

[kellyroll]

I feel that BC started out attempting to suffocate Nancy with a pillow in her bed. I believe the pillowcase to that pillow was the one found in the hamper in her bathroom. I have no proof of that, though. I believe Nancy woke up and was in a fight for her life. Nancy could have run down the stairs running for the front door and somehow fallen onto the decorative branches in the large vase. The branches are brittle and would break easily. I think Nancy died in that foyer. The ducks were probably knocked off of the credenza. Brad then strangles her.

One thing that has been on my mind is the absence of bruising on NC's neck consistent with being strangled by someone's hands. The ME mentioned a very faint line on her neck, but said it was not consistent with a ligature. So, how was she strangled then? Thoughts?

 

[sunshine05]

Thank you for the reply, however I wasn't looking for "how" you think he did it. I want to know why.

ETA: I did see your post further down that you think the motive was money.

There are too many reasons to name as to why I feel BC murdered Nancy.
On 07/16/2008, post 291, thread #2, I answered a post by Just the Fax that stated "Police say the womans (Nancy) death was not random."

In my post I stated that Nancy may have been strangled or suffocated and with no signs of sexual abuse (rape).

I feel that BC started out attempting to suffocate Nancy with a pillow in her bed. I believe the pillowcase to that pillow was the one found in the hamper in her bathroom. I have no proof of that, though. I believe Nancy woke up and was in a fight for her life. Nancy could have run down the stairs running for the front door and somehow fallen onto the decorative branches in the large vase. The branches are brittle and would break easily. I think Nancy died in that foyer. The ducks were probably knocked off of the credenza. Brad then strangles her. Just my scenario of what could have happened.

Of course I found out later that the ME could not determine rape or sexual abuse due to the state of decomposition. I wrote then that I felt it was the husband. I have not changed my mind since.

Going back and reading the early threads would be very tedious and hard to do at this point, but had you followed this case from the beginning, it would be so easy to understand why some people have felt from the beginning that BC did murder Nancy. It was such an evolving case with some misinformation and with some very good information. And speculate is something that is done in every case here at WS.

I do not mean to interrupt the flow here. I am still catching up.

JMO

 

[Star12]

IF he did it, this is why I think it happened:

From spying on email, etc he found out about paternity issue with the 2nd child.

He finds out that b/c the were married when she was born and his name is on the BC, he is legally her father, even if not biologically. This means that he is still financially responsible for her. Combine this with that NC wants to move back to Canada with the kids. So he will have to pay for a child that is not only not his but he will hardly even see her.

I think he confronted her and they argued and ...

I think this may be why Kurtz was asking about the DNA test. It may also explain why after talking to family, additional items were collected by SW.

Brad said in his deposition that BOTH children were planned. I think the paternity issue was suggested by Kurtz. IMO

 

[Cheyenne130]

Brad said in his deposition that BOTH children were planned. I think the paternity issue was suggested by Kurtz. IMO

I think that Kurtz said as much in his opening statement. MOO

 

[water_dancing]

I am wondering how the issue of paternity ever came up in the first place... anyone?

DD stated during her testimony of a situation of her, CD, NC and JP. DD stated that she and CD went to their house while NC and JP went over to the Cooper house and were talking on the porch. DD stated that she did not keep watching to see what happened however she stated quite grudgingly that she had thought they had "fooled around".

My understanding is the timing of this makes it questionable.

 

[Star12]

I sure hope this doesn't happen, but in the event Brad gets off and is a free man, wonder what will happen with child custody? I would hope Krista would remain custodial guardian?

Best interests of the children. They have been in Canada for nearly three years. I doubt a judge would restore custody to BC, even though he is the bio father. That would be very disruptive to young children. And I think a judge would look at testimony that at one time BC said he didn't want to see the childred ever again. He probably, though, would be given visitation.

 

[SleuthinNC]

But don't you think NC would have told her girlfriends she was afraid and needed to get out asap? My gosh, her bug guy and realtor knew everything about her personal life. She wasn't one to keep things to herself.

Although we know she left her realtor the message she needed to get out asap, I think it was just because BC was being such a jerk and she'd had enough - not that she was scared for her life. Plus, she was a good mom. I think she would have left immediately and gone to a friend's house w/ kids in tow if the situation had escalated to violence. She would have done anything to protect her kids - that's what a mom does.

The other thing that really made me wonder about the phone call to the realtor was his reaction. He said she called wanting to move out right away and she sounded urgent. So what did he do, left her a message (I think it was voice and not email) saying he would put some things together and email them to her over the weekend and they could meet Tuesday or Wednesday of the following week. To me that is not an urgent response to somebody he felt may have been in trouble.

 

[sunshine05]

The other thing that really made me wonder about the phone call to the realtor was his reaction. He said she called wanting to move out right away and she sounded urgent. So what did he do, left her a message (I think it was voice and not email) saying he would put some things together and email them to her over the weekend and they could meet Tuesday or Wednesday of the following week. To me that is not an urgent response to somebody he felt may have been in trouble.

Good point. I wonder, since he wasn't giving her access to bank accounts, how she was going to be able to pay for a rental?

Another thing I'm curious about is why didn't they already have the house listed to sell since they were definitely getting a divorce? I missed some of the interview of the real estate agent.