Brad's shopping excursions on the morning of 7/12

[SleuthyGal]

Here's a little background on POI for SusieClue! :smile:

 

[SusieClue]

Here's a little background on POI for SusieClue! :smile:

Thank you! But my curiosity remains about whether or not it is incumbent upon LE to "NAME" a POI. It would appear it isn't written in stone - or maybe it depends on your state or city or county? I just would love to know who made the call in this case and why.
Thank you everybody - and sleuthy gal - I am in love with your dog...seriously, we have a relationship..

 

[SleuthyGal]

LOL SusieClue! When she's misbehaving you can have her until she's ready to behave again! Deal?

As for the use of POI or suspect, it's up to each jurisdiction to determine their policies around the use of terms or whether to 'name' someone publicly or not. There are legal/liability issues to consider--jurisdictions have been successfully sued in the past, so to avoid these kinds of issues, a more conservative approach is to not say anything publicly unless they feel they need to for public safety reasons. There are no hard 'n fast rules on this. What you see in one county may be very different than in another.

 

[ncsu95]

So strange. Do you think it was intentional by CPD so as not to tip BC and attorneys off? And yet that doesn't make a whole lot of sense, because in the beginning when the good lady of CPD announced that it "wasn't a random crime" I think any rational person understood that they believed Brad was their man. Am I completely off track here?

No, they obviously knew he was the focus.

 

[sunflowers]

Let's see if there is forensic evidence on the tennis shoes first.

No, I don't get it. If he took the time to put on tennis shoes to go out in the first place...changing his shoes makes no sense to me. Why didn't he put on his flip flops to begin with? THAT would make sense being it was so early in the morning.

Not only does he change shoes, but possibly changes shirts. Again, this makes no logical sense to me either. I can see someone taking it off at the house, but a normal person early in the am on a weekend would simply put the same one on to go back to the store.

also, remember that it was VERY HOT here in July. If he wore sandals on one trip, I'm surprised that he wasn't wearing sandals on both trips since it he was just making quick trips & those of us who wear sandals for quick trips would tend to do it consistently.....

 

[Skittles]

also, remember that it was VERY HOT here in July. If he wore sandals on one trip, I'm surprised that he wasn't wearing sandals on both trips since it he was just making quick trips & those of us who wear sandals for quick trips would tend to do it consistently.....

Yup, the overnight low was only 68 degrees. No need for that jacket, either.

 

[momto3kids]

Yup, the overnight low was only 68 degrees. No need for that jacket, either.

Maybe hiding scratches? Who knows?

Oh wait a minute, K&B said BC had NO scratches and posted this on their website.... He did not have any scratches on his neck.

Dang Det Daniels, you must lie too because K&B posted this and wouldn't risk their reputation. :boohoo:

 

[SeriouslySearching]

also, remember that it was VERY HOT here in July. If he wore sandals on one trip, I'm surprised that he wasn't wearing sandals on both trips since it he was just making quick trips & those of us who wear sandals for quick trips would tend to do it consistently.....

Yes...is this guy cold all the time or what?! He looked like he was dressed for a nice crisp October morn. What is up with that?!

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Apparently, POI is a meaningless press term.

While it did originate in the press, it is not meaningless. It does signify a person is part of the focus of an investigation, but not yet singled out as a primary suspect. You can have several POIs in any scenario. It means they want to question them for possible involvement. After they name someone a suspect, their rights kick in and you know the rest of the story...

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Originally Posted by Star12
I still maintain that after the first trip to HT for the milk, he was going to wash everything he had on, and had dumped it all, shoes and socks included, in the washer before he noticed no detergent. Pulled clothes back out of washer and 'sort of' dressed himself said the heck with socks because they take a while to put on and the sandals were right there and went to get detergent and juice.

Did he have time to do all that between trips?!

 

[SeriouslySearching]

This has been bothering me for some time now. Brad stating they were up at 4ish in the morning. I know some people who are early risers, but this one is difficult for me to buy since Nancy was out late the night before at the party.

It reminds me of a woman who was also murdered by her husband. During their marriage, he would not allow her to sleep if he was awake. He is bipolar and requires very little sleep during manic phases so he frequently started his day at 3:00 am or 4:00 am. No matter what time she went to bed, he insisted she get up with him. He dictated everything in the household. The abuse was mental, but very excruciating. She didn't tell anyone for years out of sheer terror of him.

Did Nancy fall into this category? Why wouldn't she want to sleep in after being out so late?

 

[SusieClue]

This has been bothering me for some time now. Brad stating they were up at 4ish in the morning. I know some people who are early risers, but this one is difficult for me to buy since Nancy was out late the night before at the party.

It reminds me of a woman who was also murdered by her husband. During their marriage, he would not allow her to sleep if he was awake. He is bipolar and requires very little sleep during manic phases so he frequently started his day at 3:00 am or 4:00 am. No matter what time she went to bed, he insisted she get up with him. He dictated everything in the household. The abuse was mental, but very excruciating. She didn't tell anyone for years out of sheer terror of him.

Did Nancy fall into this category? Why wouldn't she want to sleep in after being out so late?

I agree. Even Brad stated in his deposition that Katie usually slept until 6 or 6:30. She most likely would have still been sleeping, except for the fact that she was dead. I doubt Brad ever slept that night. He was a busy little bee cleaning up his mess.

 

[momto3kids]

This has been bothering me for some time now. Brad stating they were up at 4ish in the morning. I know some people who are early risers, but this one is difficult for me to buy since Nancy was out late the night before at the party.

This has been one thing I have wondered. If she got in late and was planning on jogging, then going to JA's to paint early, wouldn't she try to get some sleep for the day she had planned out? :waitasec: IIRC, MH also said he and his wife were to go to NC that evening...I guess she functions on NO sleep.

But again did she ever make it to bed before she was murdered?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Has it been mentioned about her normal sleep pattern?

 

[fran]

This has been bothering me for some time now. Brad stating they were up at 4ish in the morning. I know some people who are early risers, but this one is difficult for me to buy since Nancy was out late the night before at the party.

It reminds me of a woman who was also murdered by her husband. During their marriage, he would not allow her to sleep if he was awake. He is bipolar and requires very little sleep during manic phases so he frequently started his day at 3:00 am or 4:00 am. No matter what time she went to bed, he insisted she get up with him. He dictated everything in the household. The abuse was mental, but very excruciating. She didn't tell anyone for years out of sheer terror of him.

Did Nancy fall into this category? Why wouldn't she want to sleep in after being out so late?

I'm not sure what her normal sleep pattern was, but Brad said she went out every night when he got home from work and would stay out until 2:00 a.m.:liar:

Now I do know, IIRC in one of the affidavits, one of Nancy's friends said Nancy slept behind a locked door, in her clothes, with her car keys in her pocket. According to the 'friend,' Nancy was afraid of Brad.

JMHO
fran

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Like I believe anything that Brad says. LOL When was he finding time to carry on with his afterwork life if she was out all the time?! Yeah...right. I didn't see any photos of the girls being tied to his bike or pulling them behind while he was out training or anything.

This would be believable that she was locking herself in another room etc. It wouldn't prevent him from insuring she was awake when he was though. It is just another form of mental control and cruelty.

 

[per_curiam]

I'm thinking that something had happened to Nancy around the 4AM time. I figure Brad made sure he mentioned being up at 4AM to cover in case neighbors reported seeing lights on at the Cooper home at that time. Brad made too much of the 4AM bit. Maybe Katie was up or not. He's lied before. Maybe Brad was dealing with a cleanup that he had caused from killing Nancy. Maybe Nancy was alive then. Maybe we will find out soon.

 

[KellyCrash]

I thought taking two different routes to get to H.T. was weird. I don't know exactly where in Lochmere they live, but the shortest route to me would be down Lochmere Dr. to Kildaire Farm. & Why is it that he couldn't have gone to another grocery store? Lowe's Foods is at the corner of Cary Parkway & Holly Springs Rd. Maybe he stopped there between his trips to H.T to get bleach.

It's definitely weird to see a Canadian wearing long sleeves, jeans & a hat in the middle of JULY in NC. It's flippin' hot here even in the A.M.. I would think Canadians would have a high tolerance for cooler weather. I know moving from MA even tho it's Nov. & snowing I can still be running around in short sleeves and Crocs with no jacket & not be cold.

I think he was definitely trying to hide something on his arms and neck because long sleeves in July is out of place.

 

[raisincharlie]

I thought taking two different routes to get to H.T. was weird. I don't know exactly where in Lochmere they live, but the shortest route to me would be down Lochmere Dr. to Kildaire Farm. & Why is it that he couldn't have gone to another grocery store? Lowe's Foods is at the corner of Cary Parkway & Holly Springs Rd. Maybe he stopped there between his trips to H.T to get bleach.

It's definitely weird to see a Canadian wearing long sleeves, jeans & a hat in the middle of JULY in NC. It's flippin' hot here even in the A.M.. I would think Canadians would have a high tolerance for cooler weather. I know moving from MA even tho it's Nov. & snowing I can still be running around in short sleeves and Crocs with no jacket & not be cold.

I think he was definitely trying to hide something on his arms and neck because long sleeves in July is out of place.

Kelly - I also thought it was very strange that Brad took two different routes and have thought on that for some time. The first trip he took down Lochmere was IMO done to dispose of Nancy's body - cut across Lily Atkins to Holly Springs and onto Fielding. The second trip was done to establish the 640 phone call at a location away from the body location and also in the hopes of someone seeing him and placing him away from the area of where the body was disposed. I think the only reason Brad would mention two routes is the same reason he acknowledged being up at 4 am - in case someone saw him and could identify the car. Tells me he saw people out and about during his trips to the store.

 

[fran]

Charlie:

IMHO, seems you've about got it right.

Isn't it amazing how the criminal mind works? They think they're so much smarter than everyone else, yet they work like they're reading a 'standard' plot.

So transparent!

JMHO
fran