Brainstorming Ron's flurry of phone calls

[debs]

I agree, but I can imagine Ron having a complete meltdown following Haleigh's death and the aftermath, cleanup and not being there and wanting a play by play on what is happening. I can totally see Misty being instructed to turn her phone off while all the coverup was being implemented. JMO.

Then who would instruct her to do so? Ron was calling her, so ....

 

[Emeralgem]

That's what I'm talking about. I posted a few days ago that if video has Ron on it at PDM it would have had to had him with the phone up to his ear nearly the entire time he was suppose to be at work because he had to have called continuously to have that many calls during work hours. Someone had to have seen him on that phone at work, if he was visible.

Am I correct in saying we just learned not too long ago there was video of him at PDM?
Also, we don't know what that video reveals... And If we just learned this and this was just released I suspect LE has held it close to vest for a long time....My delusional self tells me it could be damning evidence against Ron C...JMO

 

[Bemused]

Could this have been a combination of Ron and Teresa's records calling Misty that night? If they were all on the same plan?

90 calls is a lot. That is someone who is punching the number over and over. IMO, no way would Ron drive 6 miles past his house and casually waltz in to the Kangaroo to buy a beer and peanuts if had been frantically trying to reach Misty that night.

I think all cell phones allow you to program in frequently called numbers. All it takes is hitting one button and it auto-dials it for you so I can't see someone manually punching in the number 90 times, but I confess to not understanding much of what these folks do.

 

[Emeralgem]

Then who would instruct her to do so? Ron was calling her, so ....

Whoever it was she was with for the most part that night..JMO
Also, there could also be a method behind the madness for all the calls made to a number that is not being answered...I'm not yet convinced Misty and Tommy were not being set up from day one....JMO

 

[lonetraveler]

IDK about that LT...*IF* he was there...he could have been out in the yard and no one would be the wiser...BUT...that PDM and its employees have been silent...well, they must be working closely with LE...very odd, to me that NO ONE has talked....I am finally trusting LE again...these busts are bs and small in the scope of what we have seen in PC booking logs...yet the bonds aren't...:waitasec:

I was referring to statements made (from Nancy Grace, mind you) that Ron was seen all during his shift on video cameras. If he was videoed various times during his shift that there should have been video of him on his cell phone. I feel that there are only video cameras at entrances and gates. There is no reason to have video cameras all over the place in a fabrication shop: the parts and materials are so heavy you would need lifting equipment to load it.

 

[dodie20]

We don't know anything yet and neither does LE. I think that Art Harris was adding on quite a few phone calls made. There is no way anyone could make 90 phone calls like that. I think the person who said 20 was probably closer to the mark. LE have stated that Ron was at work throughout his whole shift and there is no way any employer would allow an employee to be on the phone the whole time they are working no matter what job they are doing.

when you take into account that @ least 20 calls went unanswered, it is possible-especially if he had a back up battery, or his charger with him. Sometimes I plug in & talk to my sis for a couple of hours. & I agree with you about his boss not allowing all of that phone time, but maybe he was sneaky & they didn't know.

 

[ilovemew]

I agree, but I can imagine Ron having a complete meltdown following Haleigh's death and the aftermath, cleanup and not being there and wanting a play by play on what is happening. I can totally see Misty being instructed to turn her phone off while all the coverup was being implemented. JMO.

That's Ron in a nutshell. Complete control always. Can't handle it if he's not.

 

[Concerned Papa]

I was referring to statements made (from Nancy Grace, mind you) that Ron was seen all during his shift on video cameras. If he was videoed various times during his shift that there should have been video of him on his cell phone. I feel that there are only video cameras at entrances and gates. There is no reason to have video cameras all over the place in a fabrication shop: the parts and materials are so heavy you would need lifting equipment to load it.

IMO, there's some wishful thinking going on Miz Nancy's part. I went to the PDM plant in May and looked for video cameras and saw exactly ZERO in the yard where Mr Cummings was a helper.

I don't know if there are any inside the plant or not but I didn't see any outside. Thanks to Ger, we have this picture of the guard shack and it would seem if there was video surveillance anywhere it would be here but I don't see any, do you?

 

[MADJGNLAW]

I still think that Ron had more than one phone. Maybe one phone pinged twice at the plant and another phone had the multitude of calls on it. Maybe when LE started digging they found out that Ron had more that one phone and they tracked the second phone down per Teresa's phone records since it has been commented that Teresa had Ron and Misty's a phone on her plan. This may be why it appears so strange that only two pings were found for a phone that Ron had at work, but then later on we hear about the multitude of calls that were made that night.:waitasec:

Glad you brought that up about TN having Ron and Misty on her plan. That would mean that the phone calls in question may of came from the phone that was on TN plan not a bat phone/pay as you go phone.
:waitasec:Also, if you notice in the police report Misty has the same number listed as Ron. Who had who's phone?
I would like to know what phone was used in the 911 call. Was it the phone that TN gave Misty or the one she gave Ron? And why did Misty and Ron only list one phone number?
:waitasec:Where is the Third phone/phone number at?


If you go to the Police Report the phone numbers are listed: http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf

Misty/Ron's Phone is from Cingular: http://www.freereverselookup.org/386/559
Provider: NEW CINGULAR WIRELESS PCS, LLC - GA
rate center: POMONAPARK address: Pomona Park FL

Teresa Neves Phone is listed in Palatka FL address. http://www.freereverselookup.org/386/336/2838
freereverselookup.org database:

location: Jacksonville FL
Provider: NEW CINGULAR WIRELESS PCS, LLC - GA
rate center: PALATKA

I also noticed that in the new arrest reports Ron dose not list a phone number and Misty has her number from out of state (?) listed. I think it was said this is a phone DB gave her? What ever happen to the two phones TN gave Ron and Misty?

 

[Helplessly Hoping]

I was referring to statements made (from Nancy Grace, mind you) that Ron was seen all during his shift on video cameras. If he was videoed various times during his shift that there should have been video of him on his cell phone. I feel that there are only video cameras at entrances and gates. There is no reason to have video cameras all over the place in a fabrication shop: the parts and materials are so heavy you would need lifting equipment to load it.

Honestly, I missed or didn't remember that on NG....I agree with you re the cameras though inside there is NOT need, unless there is copper or aluminum around that can be sold.....just find it odd that PDM has been SILENT....coworkers have been SILENT....PDM doesn't want to open themselves up to a lawsuit...think they, like LE are playing it close...just a mess, LT.

 

[Patty G]

I just did a test on how many seconds it takes to redial a number to a cell phone that is turned off. Now I dialed from my landline to my cell phone and it took 10 seconds from the moment I pressed redial to when my voice mail picked up.

I don't know if it is any quicker cell to cell, but in any event 90 calls times 10 seconds = 900 seconds. If my math is correct, that is 15 minutes. Very possible to do during a break IF there were actually 90 phone calls. :crazy:

 

[passionflower]

Since the phone calls are part of the Haleigh disappearance case, then we have to wait til an arrest in that case before we find out about calls with sunshine laws, huh?

geez.............

 

[MADJGNLAW]

Since the phone calls are part of the Haleigh disappearance case, then we have to wait til an arrest in that case before we find out about calls with sunshine laws, huh?

geez.............

Yep:banghead: Frustrating isn't it!:banghead:

 

[lonetraveler]

Then who would instruct her to do so? Ron was calling her, so ....

I think that Teresa had a big hand in seeing that Ron showed up for work and instructed him on what was expected of him. I also believe that a combination of Teresa with a bit of guidance from GGMS and Ron's uncle were orchestrating the disposal of Haleigh. Ron may have called Misty because his mother was wise enough to know that the phones needed to be cut off due to the pinging. Teresa most likely instructed Misty to turn the phone off after seeing that Ron was going to continually call every second. I would not be surprised if it were found out that Teresa's phone was cut off too. Ron, IMO, couldn't "not know" everything that was going on, plus he was totally shocked at what he had done and was in a total meltdown and
needed to talk to his family and Misty. This is just an opinon about the phone calls, not a theory of mine yet. Just entertaining the thought right now.

 

[Gracenote]

This kind of info. just makes it even more impossible to believe RC from one of the first interviews where he claimed that MC called him as he was getting into the neighborhood and he didn't answer because he was almost home. If someone returns your call after 20 calls (or 90 calls) you just don't NOT ANSWER!

jmoo

What it has brought back to my mind is their refusal to use their cell phones because they were afraid they were bugged, and also Ron's failure to answer his phone when it rang the next day. That made no sense unless he was involved in illegal activities at that time and used the phone a lot. No telling who he was calling all night.
Has anyone emailed Art to ask him about his statement? He has always answered me back.

 

[lonetraveler]

Honestly, I missed or didn't remember that on NG....I agree with you re the cameras though inside there is NOT need, unless there is copper or aluminum around that can be sold.....just find it odd that PDM has been SILENT....coworkers have been SILENT....PDM doesn't want to open themselves up to a lawsuit...think they, like LE are playing it close...just a mess, LT.

Yes, I think that PDM has laid the law down with the employees, probably threatened them with firing them if they talked. That's pretty standard when a plant is part of a criminal investigation. Still, I've been very surprised that an employee has not talked a bit.

 

[lonetraveler]

Honestly, I missed or didn't remember that on NG....I agree with you re the cameras though inside there is NOT need, unless there is copper or aluminum around that can be sold.....just find it odd that PDM has been SILENT....coworkers have been SILENT....PDM doesn't want to open themselves up to a lawsuit...think they, like LE are playing it close...just a mess, LT.

I saw Nancy cover this within the last week. I know it was last Friday or before. I have been out of pocket since Saturday 1:00 but tomorrow I can view the Nancy Grace Transcripts and find it.

 

[lonetraveler]

What it has brought back to my mind is their refusal to use their cell phones because they were afraid they were bugged, and also Ron's failure to answer his phone when it rang the next day. That made no sense unless he was involved in illegal activities at that time and used the phone a lot. No telling who he was calling all night.
Has anyone emailed Art to ask him about his statement? He has always answered me back.

Yes, Ron is crying and sobbing about someone stole my child and the phone rings and he ignores it. :waitasec: BIG SIGN HERE! IMO.

 

[ilovemew]

Glad you brought that up about TN having Ron and Misty on her plan. That would mean that the phone calls in question may of came from the phone that was on TN plan not a bat phone/pay as you go phone.
:waitasec:Also, if you notice in the police report Misty has the same number listed as Ron. Who had who's phone?
I would like to know what phone was used in the 911 call. Was it the phone that TN gave Misty or the one she gave Ron? And why did Misty and Ron only list one phone number?
:waitasec:Where is the Third phone/phone number at?


If you go to the Police Report the phone numbers are listed: http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf

I also noticed that in the new arrest reports Ron dose not list a phone number and Misty has her number from out of state (?) listed. I think it was said this is a phone DB gave her? What ever happen to the two phones TN gave Ron and Misty?

Weren't they paranoid that their phones were tapped? I can see them getting new ones and not using/throwing out the old ones.

*ETA: shoulda read on before posting. Gracenote's post covered this already.

 

[Maryann123]

I am brand new here, but I have been itching to get my opinion posted. I though 20 phone calls showed guilt, but 90? I think he told Misty to turn off the phone to keep anyone from dropping by and realizing Haleigh was already gone. After leaving for work, he thought of all the reasons he needed to talk to Misty and enlisted her brother to go to his house to check on her. Misty, as instructed by Ronald, did not answer the door. If you aren't able to reach the babysitter, and your truly are worried, wouldn't you call your mom, your grandmother, or 911? Especially after calling the next door neighbor, (Misty's brother) and getting a report there was no one at home? I think you would, unless you knew what was going on.
Another thing that bothers me is the fact that LE believes he was at work the entire night. I worked for an Airline, and although we didn't punch time cards, we signed into our keypads. At Christmas when the traffic was at a standstill, we would call ahead to get a co-worker to sign in for us (to keep from being late for the start of our shift.) Why couldn't you use this tactic to leave your shift early, or to take a long lunch break? Maybe this is such an everyday occurrence at his job, no one deemed this suspicious. Maybe they have had second thoughts but are afraid of losing their job because of it. Where I worked, if you admitted to doing this, you would be fired on the spot. Where is a good place to post my theory as to what took place that night? I have some other observations I haven't seen posted that I would like to discuss