Breaking News Archive - 20th - 26th Aug

[tybee204]

Now, under the Federal PROTECT Act of 2003, Karr can be charged for sex with a minor if it can be proven that he left the U.S. to engage in commercial sex with someone under 18 or non-commercial sex under age 16. Although, this is rarely attempted, if it turns out that he is lying about JBR then I could see the govt. going after him. Not to mention all the charges he will face for lying to police.Either way, Karr isn't going to be on the streets anytime soon.

Considereing he had been out of the Country for 5 years and working at jobs in those Countrys , that would seem a hard one to charge him with.

 

[scandi]

. . .This DA has everyone fooled and she may just suprise us all and arrest someone else for the murder and Karr as an accessory or for some obstruction or something. Like I said in another post, Carr knows something you or I don't. That something came from the crime scene so he was either there or knows who was.

Cal

I saw this this morning and then read your post Calus. There must be some method to this casual type or should I say unformulated reason for arresting Karr. To make it so low key after rushing him all the way over here at great expense, maybe there is something different cookin' than we anticipated:

http://www.nypost.com/news/national...boulder__colo__and_bill_sanderson_in_n_y_.htm

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WEIRDO'S E-MAIL TO PROF WAS
A KEY CLUE

By JENNIFER FERMINO in Boulder, Colo. and BILL SANDERSON in N.Y.

August 18, 2006 -- John Mark Karr sent hundreds of creepy e-mails to a University of Colorado journalism professor tracking the JonBenet Ramsey murder - but one was so disturbing, so telling, the professor immediately phoned homicide investigators.

The correspondence between Karr and Michael Tracey proved a crucial break for detectives - prompting them to get "damn serious in a big hurry," the Rocky Mountain News quoted a source as saying.

In interviews with The Post and other news outlets, Tracey refused to discuss the details of the smoking-gun e-mail he received in May.

But a private investigator hired by the Ramseys said the e-mail placed Karr in the basement with the beauty queen when she was suffocated to death.

The suspect "talked about being there, about doing this and doing that, and knowing this and knowing that," private investigator Ollie Gray told the Rocky Mountain News.

"He had a whole bunch of things that didn't come out before. It wasn't part of what the media was allowed to get at before. . . ."


Sorry that link formulated out quite oddly! I hadn't posted it earlier as I though it could already be on the forum somewhere.

Scandi

 

[JBean]

KFI is reporting that since he was not officially arrested while he was on the plane, he wasn't entitled to a lawyer. IOW, if he said anything on the plane, it can be used. Miranda rights would not apply.

 

[TallCoolOne]

Well, JBean, I wasn't necessarily talking about you.

It is just humourous that people on this board (from all walks of life) have declared--in the last few days--that the DNA is too degraded, the suspect was in Alabama, the extradition process isn't being done correctly. I mean, no wonder it is taking so long to get this guy back, charged, and the information out. All the experts in the crime labs, courts, DA's office, police offices, etc. are here posting.

I need a time out! But nothing personal against you bean.

Cal

Heh, heh. well calus_3, all I can say is Welcome to the World of message board posting. That's what we do here. It's a very diverse mixture of individuals and each sees things differently than the next. We all express our opinions and although you might not agree, it's most interesting to me to see things from anothers perspective.

Don't let it get to you, just sit back and enjoy the ride, (but hang on so the bumps don't throw ya!!)

I enjoy your perspective, so please stick around, 'K?

 

[Mira]

http://www.dailycamera.com/bdc/county_news/article/0,1713,BDC_2423_4932426,00.html

 

[Dr. Doogie]

KFI is reporting that since he was not officially arrested while he was on the plane, he wasn't entitled to a lawyer. IOW, if he said anything on the plane, it can be used. Miranda rights would not apply.

If I were a defense attorney, I would be all over this rationale. Does that mean he was free to leave at anytime? If he was under the control of the officers once he was handed over by the Thai authorities, then it would seem that he should have been Mirandized. I don't think this idiot did it, but it would be fitting that the Boulder authorities blew it one more time and got a confession thrown out because of sloppiness.

 

[scandi]

You have to register and I don't want a sleu of emails! Can you post the best part?


Thanks Scandi

 

[southcitymom]

You have to register and I don't want a sleu of emails! Can you post the best part?


Thanks Scandi

I didn't have to register.

Ramsey Net 'sleuths' re-energized


Some believe Karr may have written 'Patricia Letters' discussing case

By Vanessa Miller, Camera Staff Writer
August 21, 2006

When JonBenet Ramsey was killed a decade ago, a subculture of "Web sleuths" emerged with the goal of solving one of the world's most captivating murder mysteries.

As years passed without much movement on the case, the number of amateur Internet detectives began to dwindle, and surfers who once typed countless theories on endless Internet sites hung up their keyboards.

Now, an arrest in the 1996 homicide has sparked new life in the case that seemed like it would remain unsolved forever. And that has prompted a revival in the Ramsey Internet subculture as well.

Web posts and blogs ramble about whether prime suspect John Mark Karr is telling the truth about his involvement, or whether the 41-year-old schoolteacher's odd confessions are part of the tangled web of false leads and dead-end clues. ........

 

[JBean]

If I were a defense attorney, I would be all over this rationale. Does that mean he was free to leave at anytime? If he was under the control of the officers once he was handed over by the Thai authorities, then it would seem that he should have been Mirandized. I don't think this idiot did it, but it would be fitting that the Boulder authorities blew it one more time and got a confession thrown out because of sloppiness.

yes they said if he could find a way to leave at 37000 feet he was free to go. Airspace is a funny thing.

 

[Buzz Mills]

Ramsey Net 'sleuths' re-energized
Some believe Karr may have written 'Patricia Letters' discussing case

By Vanessa Miller, Camera Staff Writer
August 21, 2006

When JonBenet Ramsey was killed a decade ago, a subculture of "Web sleuths" emerged with the goal of solving one of the world's most captivating murder mysteries.

As years passed without much movement on the case, the number of amateur Internet detectives began to dwindle, and surfers who once typed countless theories on endless Internet sites hung up their keyboards.

Now, an arrest in the 1996 homicide has sparked new life in the case that seemed like it would remain unsolved forever. And that has prompted a revival in the Ramsey Internet subculture as well.

Web posts and blogs ramble about whether prime suspect John Mark Karr is telling the truth about his involvement, or whether the 41-year-old schoolteacher's odd confessions are part of the tangled web of false leads and dead-end clues.

While some dismiss the old and new online correspondence as nonsense, a former FBI profiler said a source "in the know" on the case believes Karr was the author of e-mails alleged to have been written by Patsy Ramsey after her daughter's slaying.

"I understand that on some of these Web sites or blogs about the Ramsey case, someone has been posting things called the 'Patricia Letters,'" said retired FBI crime analyst Gregg McCrary, adding that his source believes Karr is their author.

The "Patricia Letters" were sent to an individual who goes by the aliases "Cheesy" or "Patti." Many of the early letters were signed, "your friend." Later e-mails closed with "Patricia Ann."

JonBenet's mother, Patricia Ann "Patsy" Ramsey, died in June after a long battle with ovarian cancer. The Ramseys have denied writing the e-mails.

http://reg.dailycamera.com/bdc/web/..._news/article/0,1713,BDC_2423_4932426,00.html

 

[luthersmama]

KFI is reporting that since he was not officially arrested while he was on the plane, he wasn't entitled to a lawyer. IOW, if he said anything on the plane, it can be used. Miranda rights would not apply.

It isn't as simple as whether he was "officially arrested" or not. Was he free to get up and leave? Not really. If his "escort" interrogated him at 30,000 feet, he still has a shot at a Miranda case. Especially if he was required to stay with the escort. Being "in custody" is what counts - not necessarily under arrest.

Also, being entitled to a court-appointed attorney is a totally separate issue from being free from self-incrimination. The Miranda warning includes both, but they are separate rights and there are separate tests that the courts use to determine whether those rights have been violated. Everybody is always entitled to have an attorney when they are questioned by police. The "right to an attorney" really means "the right to have a public defender if you can't afford a private lawyer and you are in deep trouble and probably ought to have one."

 

[JBean]

It isn't as simple as whether he was "officially arrested" or not. Was he free to get up and leave? Not really. If his "escort" interrogated him at 30,000 feet, he still has a shot at a Miranda case. Especially if he was required to stay with the escort. Being "in custody" is what counts - not necessarily under arrest.

Also, being entitled to a court-appointed attorney is a totally separate issue from being free from self-incrimination. The Miranda warning includes both, but they are separate rights and there are separate tests that the courts use to determine whether those rights have been violated. Everybody is always entitled to have an attorney when they are questioned by police. The "right to an attorney" really means "the right to have a public defender if you can't afford a private lawyer and you are in deep trouble and probably ought to have one."

I think it is a moot point because he didn't say anything.
I am only reporting what the radio said.

 

[luthersmama]

I think it is a moot point because he didn't say anything.
I am only reporting what the radio said.

Not trying to argue with you JB . I just see it as another example of the media trying to oversimplify something, thereby leading people down a path that may not be right. :blowkiss:

 

[Anngelique]

Ramsey Net 'sleuths' re-energized
Some believe Karr may have written 'Patricia Letters' discussing case

By Vanessa Miller, Camera Staff Writer
August 21, 2006

When JonBenet Ramsey was killed a decade ago, a subculture of "Web sleuths" emerged with the goal of solving one of the world's most captivating murder mysteries.

As years passed without much movement on the case, the number of amateur Internet detectives began to dwindle, and surfers who once typed countless theories on endless Internet sites hung up their keyboards.

Now, an arrest in the 1996 homicide has sparked new life in the case that seemed like it would remain unsolved forever. And that has prompted a revival in the Ramsey Internet subculture as well.

Web posts and blogs ramble about whether prime suspect John Mark Karr is telling the truth about his involvement, or whether the 41-year-old schoolteacher's odd confessions are part of the tangled web of false leads and dead-end clues.

While some dismiss the old and new online correspondence as nonsense, a former FBI profiler said a source "in the know" on the case believes Karr was the author of e-mails alleged to have been written by Patsy Ramsey after her daughter's slaying.

"I understand that on some of these Web sites or blogs about the Ramsey case, someone has been posting things called the 'Patricia Letters,'" said retired FBI crime analyst Gregg McCrary, adding that his source believes Karr is their author.

The "Patricia Letters" were sent to an individual who goes by the aliases "Cheesy" or "Patti." Many of the early letters were signed, "your friend." Later e-mails closed with "Patricia Ann."

JonBenet's mother, Patricia Ann "Patsy" Ramsey, died in June after a long battle with ovarian cancer. The Ramseys have denied writing the e-mails.

http://reg.dailycamera.com/bdc/web/..._news/article/0,1713,BDC_2423_4932426,00.html

Interesting.

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/nebula/9337/letters.html

 

[scandi]

Whoa, a nice plug for WS. I bet we get a rash of new memberships! Hold that server tight Trish! LOL

Anyway, I have never heard of these letters. Maybe someone in the know will start a thread if there isn't one already here. I haven't seen one yet. Am curious to what you diehard long-timers think about what is said in the article. I do know another posted a link to the article, but thank you Buzz.

Scandi

 

[JBean]

Not trying to argue with you JB . I just see it as another example of the media trying to oversimplify something, thereby leading people down a path that may not be right. :blowkiss:

Oh ,I know that LM, I really know that. I agree with you 100%.

 

[lighthouselover]

I don't understand why this is written to sound so casual, which to me makes it lose validty, from Buzz's link on page 5:

"Marie Case, who represented Karr on the 2001 misdemeanor charges, said yesterday that members of the Sonoma County Sheriff's Department mentioned to her at the time that "there was possibly some involvement" in the Ramsey slaying 1,200 miles away in Boulder, Colo. -- "just saying, 'Hey, we're looking at this guy.' "

Do you think it is the feeling this lawyer wants to put on the info or maybe written by a clerk or some reporter? I read Karr wants a different lawyer than VanZant in Co.


Scandi

I know. Did they investigate him or did they not? Or did they conclude what some of us have that he's three fries short of a happy meal?

 

[PalmettoSprings]

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/jonbenet/

 

[panthera]

Van Zandt practices in CA--wasn't it mentioned that she is a public defender. JMK will most likely have a name attorney in CO.

I heard that she was his public defender in 2001 for the child charges, but is now in private practice. Apparently she will only assist him regarding the extradition hearing tomorrow. Then he'll have to get a new attorney when he arrives in Colorado.

 

[Camper]

KFI is reporting that since he was not officially arrested while he was on the plane, he wasn't entitled to a lawyer. IOW, if he said anything on the plane, it can be used. Miranda rights would not apply.

--->>>Very interesting. As tiny as he is would Chardonnay, a beer and after din din wine, make him inebriated-ish, and creat a dif defense?

So far I have only seen and heard him say, "I was with JonBenet when she died, it was an accident."

Plus no comment to other more pressing Q's. He did say it was too complicated to explain quickly.

So as with Nixon, what does he know and HOW Did he know 'it'?

He did not say HE DID 'IT'.Correct me if I have erred or missed him saying it.

The more current TV shots of him, his eyes now look like someone is home, and there is a light on in there. Hmmm.

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