Breaking News Archive - 20th - 26th Aug

[SewingDeb]

Very interesting indeed...

I'm hearing now that he is not in the pictures, but the 3 boys are at Christmas Dinner and the family says they would not go without both parents being there....

If he is not in the picture, how does that help? I would love to see what the proof is.

 

[JDB]

Why don't they just do the darn DNA test??

Because the DA knows it will not match.If they thought it would you know they would have transferred Karr to colo.I think all we are going to get here is hearin Karr is serving prison time in Ca.for his previous crimes here.

 

[SleuthingSleuth]

I'm hearing now that he is not in the pictures, but the 3 boys are at Christmas Dinner and the family says they would not go without both parents being there....

If he is not in the picture, how does that help? I would love to see what the proof is.

What I wonder is that if he wasn't there...why is his family so insistent he was ?
What would be their reason for doing this? Their memories can't be that faulty (I would think).

 

[TexMex]

What I wonder is that if he wasn't there...why is his family so insistent he was ?
What would be their reason for doing this? Their memories can't be that faulty (I would think).

HI Sleuth


I saw ex FBI Candace DeLong on a show yesterday and she said she had seen the video footage where a reporter goes to the door of the ex wife. She stays behind the door, refusing to be photographed. DeLong said she replayed the video several times to be sure but that the ex tells the reporter that her memory is that Kar was "with her and the kids OR at his parents that Christmas".....

Where do his father, step-mother(?) or Grandparents live?
Do any of them have pics or could Karr have told his wife he was going to see relatives and headed to Boulder?

This case gets stranger every day

 

[Wudge]

Evidence against Karr
1. Karr's confession.
2. Inculpatory email statements
3. Karr's handwriting.
4. S.B.T.C.
5. Obsession with little girls
6. Lack of an alibi.

Evidence against Karr being the actual perp
1. Just words
2. Could be known by many internet posters, Tracey's credibility
3. Could be practiced
4. Need to know more about Karr's use of S.B.T.C.
5. Lots of pedos around
6 Lack of evidence he was in CO

Buzz, more than once, I have read that when they were little a girl, former students of Karr's were truly afraid of him.

One write-up that struck me in particular was a young women (now 19 as I recall) who said that Karr was a substitute teacher for her class, and when she saw his black jaguar parked outside the school, she became afraid.

She went on to say that during breaks or recess, Karr would fashion a reason to keep one or more young girls in the classroom with him. I do not have much doubt that Karr's little girl problem predated Jon Benet's murders. In a trial, I suspect the prosecutors will have a good number of his former students testify to their experiences.

Refresh too on the fact that a school let Karr go right before Xmas; per your research, his last paycheck was 12-19-96. Since it was Xmas, money could have been on his mind too. It is worth considering if he might have hoped to make some money by kidnapping JonBenet while at the same time giving himself a very special Xmas present.

I mention this, because Karr's motive(s) would become an issue in a trial.

 

[panthera]

Did anyone hear on Court TV that the family of Karr's first wife has found some letters that Karr wrote to her and signed them "SBTC"? This was just reported.

 

[panthera]

i agree SS....the handwriting experts will battle over this forever, so IMO, it's not going to convict Karr of anything...they need to place him in Boulder with a DNA match...

I agree they need DNA. Only if this "SBTC" I just heard that he signed letters to his first wife with "matches" (signature, style of writing) then we have something with the handwriting. Other than that, people's writing between high school and 14 years later usually changes.

 

[Wudge]

Did anyone hear on Court TV that the family of Karr's first wife has found some letters that Karr wrote to her and signed them "SBTC"? This was just reported.

If true, it's time to do anything for a plea deal.

 

[JDB]

Refresh too on the fact that a school let Karr go right before Xmas; per your research, his last paycheck was 12-19-96. Since it was Xmas, money could have been on his mind too. It is worth considering if he might have hoped to make some money by kidnapping JonBenet while at the same time giving himself a very special Xmas present.

I mention this, because Karr's motive(s) would become an issue in a trial.

Wudge: Where is the proof that he even Knew Jon Benet before she was murdered?There is no proof Karr was even in Colo either on the 23rd *party* or on the 26th *JBR Murder*.And the SBTC could mean anything to anyone.I found SBTC on the net for Southern Baptist Church texas.

 

[Amster]

Did anyone hear on Court TV that the family of Karr's first wife has found some letters that Karr wrote to her and signed them "SBTC"? This was just reported.

I think the reporterette mispoke.....the mom says she remembers seeing letters signed that way. Not that she had the actual letters....but, we'll see.

 

[panthera]

I think the reporterette mispoke.....the mom says she remembers seeing letters signed that way. Not that she had the actual letters....but, we'll see.

That can't be used against him if she doesn't have the actual letters, right? And why wouldn't she say something before ~ that ransom note was all over the news when the murder occurred!

 

[Wudge]

Wudge: Where is the proof that he even Knew Jon Benet before she was murdered?There is no proof Karr was even in Colo either on the 23rd *party* or on the 26th *JBR Murder*.And the SBTC could mean anything to anyone.I found SBTC on the net for Southern Baptist Church texas.

Karr places himself there. And, at the very least, his handwriting would be used by a prosecutor to support his confession.

 

[Buzz Mills]

Exclusive: 'I Married John Karr At 13'Ex-Wife Claims She Was Drugged, Abused

Aug. 23 - Five years ago few Americans had ever heard of John Mark Karr, the man now under arrest for the murder of JonBenet Ramsey. But Wendy Hutchens says she knew him well. Back in 2001, she says, he told her some of his innermost thoughts.

Today, she talked about her ex-husband in an exclusive interview on "Good Morning America."

Ray said she met Karr at a party in Hamilton, Ala.,and he proceeded to seduce her. Her parents, Melissa and Larry Shotts, said they were opposed to the marriage.

The couple had a lengthy battle with Ray's parents over the relationship. According to Ray's parents, Karr became more defensive and threatening as they continued to oppose the couple's plans.

And Ray said Karr became a different person after they were married.

"I believed he loved me," she said. But her marriage to Karr lasted less than a year. That year, according to Ray, was a tumultuous one.

"I was drugged and things were done to me without me having any idea," said Ray, who is now married with a 4-month-old child.

In 1985, after nine months of marriage, Shotts filed for an annulment, complaining in court records that she was "fearful for her life and safety."

In a response filed with the court, Karr contested Shotts' age, saying she was in fact 14. A judge later granted the annulment.

Karr later married a second time, to Lara Karr, who was 16 when their twin daughters died the day they were born on Sept. 1, 1989.

Ray also told "Good Morning America" that Karr frequently talked about young girls.

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=nation_world&id=4488450

 

[panthera]

Something is definitely not right with this guy. But if he is so "in love" with young girls, and JonBenet specifically, why would he murder her in such a horrendous way?

 

[JDB]

Karr places himself there. And, at the very least, his handwriting would be used by a prosecutor to support his confession.

Wudge: he also said he was at the party on the 23rd but so far we have not heard that confirmed.I truly belive he was there in Mine only.Again anyone who move a family to ca. so he could be closer to the Polly Klass case is not all there. I an also hear the Handwritting expert is not even qualified anymore. And there are more experts saying the ransom note was done by Patsy.

 

[Wudge]

Something is definitely not right with this guy. But if he is so "in love" with young girls, and JonBenet specifically, why would he murder her in such a horrendous way?

He says it was an accident.

 

[Wudge]

Wudge: he also said he was at the party on the 23rd but so far we have not heard that confirmed.I truly belive he was there in Mine only.Again anyone who move a family to ca. so he could be closer to the Polly Klass case is not all there. I an also hear the Handwritting expert is not even qualified anymore. And there are more experts saying the ransom note was done by Patsy.

Your saying "he is not all there" would aid a prosecutor.

As for Baggett, you hear incorrectly; he has qualified and testified in thousands of trials. Each trial Judge would or would not agree to allow him to testify as an expert.

As for experts who might think Patsy wrote the note, the defense would only be allowed to have experts testify on Karr"s handwriting comparatives

 

[panthera]

He says it was an accident.

I know he said "accident", but that doesn't match up with the autopsy report.

 

[aspidistra]

Again we have to go by what is in his mind. He seems to feel that if he didn't plan to kill her by the things he did to her (garroting etc.) that it was accidental. We heard that he argued to the Thai police that it was 2nd degree because he didn't intend to kill her.

At the very least, he is rationalizing. If his musing in that one tape to Wendy Hutchens is a recollection, then he thought she was breathing, but then thought she was dead, and somehow he bashed her on the head, and doesn't know why and can't explain it to her parents. To his mind it seems that could be an accident.

But I'm pretty sure that a court of law won't find that to be an accident, so it doesn't matter what he thinks it was to justify it in his mind.

 

[Wudge]

I know he said "accident", but that doesn't match up with the autopsy report.

True, but it is an issue with Karr; he believes otherwise.