Breaking News Archive - 20th - 26th Aug

[scandi]

Between you Shelayne and BirdieBoo I'm blown away at the talent here at WS. Simply amazing thinkers you are.

First I think about JonBenet and giving her the justice she should have.
If Karr is an utter nut along with everything else that we know negative about him, but somehow he knows how and by whom she was really murdered, it might be some karmic work of love through unexplainable sources to show and tell the truth to the Boulder DA, and I would say yes!

He's been miserable since his babies died and moved to another bedroom in their home, lost, feeling guilt for carrying the knowledge of what happened. He tried to tell about it in 2001, then again in 2003, wrote letters to the professor and then to PR. Maybe it will turn out these agonizing years were his punishment and now if he names the killer he will be set free from the torment he has obviously carried.



Just thinking, but still not sure of anything. Yet.

Scandi

 

[scandi]

That does make sense Buzz. Dr Albow is then saying Karr would not have been sexually attracted to JonBenet. And so when he says he was there when she died he was told exactly what happened. Some pedophile who was a sexual sadist. He said they loved each other but maybe it was not a sexual love he meant. He was desperate to name the killer and tried many ways to do it.

But on the other hand he is fascinated with beautiful little girls who are murdered. Does he have a sadistic side to him? Or is his mind trapped in his age group from when his mother died, and all of his life he has realized he wanted to be the mother to all these little girls who need love.

I'm going to have to listen to Albow tonight and I hope he finishes his theory about Karr. There are way too many psychological variables for me to even guess what is going on!

Scandi

 

[Buzz Mills]

On the news it said that Karr would represent himself at the extradition hearing and won't oppose extradition to CO, in fact Patience Van Zandt, his previous Public Defender on the child charges, who spoke with him, stated that he seems anxious to go to Boulder and face up to that situation.

I think that when his parents separated when he was 5
and then his mother being killed in an auto accident when he was 12
and then being sent to live with his grandparents when he was 12
somehow threw a kink, or two, or three, into his life.

Seems as if he is emotionally stuck in that 5 to 12 age range.

Jon Benet was 6, Polly Klaas was 12.

An older woman for him was the 13 year old girl that he married.

 

[scandi]

Thanks Buzz.

 

[Buzz Mills]

Thanks Buzz.

Hi Scandi, you mentioned something about Karr knowing who the killer of Jon Benet is. How do you think he came to know this information?? From chat rooms, or the internet??

 

[scandi]

I read about the site for pedos that RiverRat told us about where Blue{?} fish was it, posted. And then on TV I heard a discussion where they said these people are very intense and serious about their sites, jewelry they sell that promotes what they are a part of, etc.

So I'm thinking maybe Karr met someone in that or another pedo online group and they became friends and this other person confided in Karr as to what he had done to JB. I know on the one site there is chat when you get inside, but I don't think anyone would talk about a murder there. But they could set up a time to meet and take it from there.

Then since he learned what happened and believed the pedo, Karr has taken it on himself in his own way to let her family and LE know to get it made right.

Scandi

 

[itsreenw]

Thankyou tybee. yes, that makes sense now. It means the samehere except we use it to mean you are talking about yourself.Big noting yourself. Ah, that makes more sense regarding Mr Karr. Could it be he was being a little"fresh'?
Or am i going a bit too far? I can see why anyone hearing him talking the girls up would raise an eyebrow. There is afine line between hepling a kids cofidence and going to far.Is'nt there?

I interpreted it to mean he was "doting" on the girls too much. Calling them pretty, commenting on their long, blond(or brunette) hair, etc...for instance making comments like "Your Suzy is the prettiest girl in the class. I love her long blonde hair"
Instead of saying "Suzy is one of the top readers in the class" which should have been his focus.

 

[Buzz Mills]

Link to Breaking News 08/22 for any new posts:
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42365

 

[itsreenw]

hi, can't get that to run.everytime i click the whole link goes away.Can you just give a me the gist of them please.

You can go to www.kron.com and navigate from there but he said

"Jonbenet, God What a powerful thing, to just be alone with that little girl. That doll face. You know she was just so incredible in mind and so unreal in death.
She's just so alive, she's so alive, she's so alive, I mean she's wonderful."

His voice is near whispering. He sounds like a pervert.

 

[aussiesheila]

The DA's office and investigators have been busy at work for MONTHS trying to hook this guy in. They had whatever they needed--whatever it was--to arrest the guy.

So that tells me that something he had or said (I heard it was one word) put him at the crime scene in one form or another. That could be physically or it could be by proxy meaning that someone he knows was there. You don't just guess specific crime scene evidence.

What kills me is that so many of you are poo-pooing this guy already and you haven't heard one shred of the evidence against him. "Duh, it wusn't being tawked about on Websleuths so it kayn't be true". Come on folks, have some faith and some freaking patience.

Perhaps the DA knows that this Karr guy is a whackjob that wansn't in Colorado but the evidence he put forth to this Co. professor was so damning that they know whoever told him WAS in the room with JBR.

I think this will either break the case wide open or damn it for good.

Cal

I'm sure you are right Cal. If we are to believe his ex-wife, and I can't see any reason not to, unless she was mis-quoted, he wasn't in Boulder at the time of the murder. So he is just another pedophile, but one who heard via the pedophile grapevine what the pedophiles who were there that night did to JonBenetand was stupid enough to blab abouit it, IMO. I hope he knows enough and can be persuaded to tell it all, enough get that whole group put away, which sadly will be one short, Santa having died in the interim.

 

[aussiesheila]

Gov Owens was so bent on R guilt,
.

Not saying I disbelieve this Camper, but where did you here this? I've never heard of it, but it fits in well with my theory so I am interested to know the source. Thanks.

 

[itsreenw]

Originally Posted by calus_3
The DA's office and investigators have been busy at work for MONTHS trying to hook this guy in. They had whatever they needed--whatever it was--to arrest the guy.

So that tells me that something he had or said (I heard it was one word) put him at the crime scene in one form or another. That could be physically or it could be by proxy meaning that someone he knows was there. You don't just guess specific crime scene evidence.

What kills me is that so many of you are poo-pooing this guy already and you haven't heard one shred of the evidence against him. "Duh, it wusn't being tawked about on Websleuths so it kayn't be true". Come on folks, have some faith and some freaking patience.

Perhaps the DA knows that this Karr guy is a whackjob that wansn't in Colorado but the evidence he put forth to this Co. professor was so damning that they know whoever told him WAS in the room with JBR.

I think this will either break the case wide open or damn it for good.

Cal

Calus, you state that YOU heard he had or said something that put him at the crime scene in one form or another. Since YOU heard it then YOU are entitled to come to your own conclusion as we all are. That's what makes these forums great. Many different thoughts and lots of input help us think "out of the box".

I will open this next paragraph on thread only because I doubt I'm the only when that felt this way but I will ask that if you have anything other members may consider offensive, please PM me.

What we do oppose to here at WS is criticizing or attempting to belittle those with opposing opinions. I have never been on a thread with you so I am not sure if your "Duh,..," remark is your idea of humor, but is that supposed to be a Southern drawl? I'm from CA so please explain what the "Duh" and the words when read phonetically sound very Southern are intented to imply. In most cases no offense would be taken. Most people from the south obviously have southern drawls (but they don't spell with one). With the "Duh" starting the sentence it seems like you are implying stupidity as in "Goober" from Mayberry.

We just lost another case thread that many of us dedicated thousands of hours to because (amongst a few reasons) members were becoming offensive to others in their posts. It would be heartbreaking to see another thread wiped away for the same thing. Let's be nice to each other and allow everyone to share their opinions just as you have without the negative comebacks.

 

[kazzbar]

You can go to www.kron.com and navigate from there but he said

"Jonbenet, God What a powerful thing, to just be alone with that little girl. That doll face. You know she was just so incredible in mind and so unreal in death.
She's just so alive, she's so alive, she's so alive, I mean she's wonderful."

His voice is near whispering. He sounds like a pervert.

Thanks for that wish I could hear it though:sick: My stupid pc won't play some things- my husband keeps telling me it is because my 8yr old son changed all the settings. thanks to everyone very much. Sounds really wacky when written anyway !

 

[kazzbar]

Calus, you state that YOU heard he had or said something that put him at the crime scene in one form or another. Since YOU heard it then YOU are entitled to come to your own conclusion as we all are. That's what makes these forums great. Many different thoughts and lots of input help us think "out of the box".

I will open this next paragraph on thread only because I doubt I'm the only when that felt this way but I will ask that if you have anything other members may consider offensive, please PM me.

What we do oppose to here at WS is criticizing or attempting to belittle those with opposing opinions. I have never been on a thread with you so I am not sure if your "Duh,..," remark is your idea of humor, but is that supposed to be a Southern drawl? I'm from CA so please explain what the "Duh" and the words when read phonetically sound very Southern are intented to imply. In most cases no offense would be taken. Most people from the south obviously have southern drawls (but they don't spell with one). With the "Duh" starting the sentence it seems like you are implying stupidity as in "Goober" from Mayberry.

We just lost another case thread that many of us dedicated thousands of hours to because (amongst a few reasons) members were becoming offensive to others in their posts. It would be heartbreaking to see another thread wiped away for the same thing. Let's be nice to each other and allow everyone to share their opinions just as you have without the negative comebacks.

Here , here , lets all be nice to each other. everyone has their opinion and we all just want to see justice for a murdered little girl.

 

[calus_3]

Calus, you state that YOU heard he had or said something that put him at the crime scene in one form or another. Since YOU heard it then YOU are entitled to come to your own conclusion as we all are. That's what makes these forums great. Many different thoughts and lots of input help us think "out of the box".

I will open this next paragraph on thread only because I doubt I'm the only when that felt this way but I will ask that if you have anything other members may consider offensive, please PM me.

What we do oppose to here at WS is criticizing or attempting to belittle those with opposing opinions. I have never been on a thread with you so I am not sure if your "Duh,..," remark is your idea of humor, but is that supposed to be a Southern drawl? I'm from CA so please explain what the "Duh" and the words when read phonetically sound very Southern are intented to imply. In most cases no offense would be taken. Most people from the south obviously have southern drawls (but they don't spell with one). With the "Duh" starting the sentence it seems like you are implying stupidity as in "Goober" from Mayberry.

We just lost another case thread that many of us dedicated thousands of hours to because (amongst a few reasons) members were becoming offensive to others in their posts. It would be heartbreaking to see another thread wiped away for the same thing. Let's be nice to each other and allow everyone to share their opinions just as you have without the negative comebacks.

I am not telling anyone not to debate.

I was talking about much of the stupidity I have read with respect to people that are coming out and giving their expert opinions about why the DNA isn't valid or why the confession can't be taken in the air or when the suspect must have his rights read to him or whatever. It is funny that people come here and other places and spout off supposition under the guise of being fact.

For instance "Anything the suspect says during the flight cannot be used against him because he wasn't on American soil and didn't have his attorney". They don't say, "I think...." they spout it as fact and then it gets spread.

BTW, I am being nice......just ask the others!

Cal

 

[Camper]

I heard on radio from several good sources that Karr is going to represent himself at his extradition hearing this morning.

Carol McKinley on Peter Boyles talk show Denver KHOW.com, this morning said it would not surprise her if AFTER this mornings hearing, there would be a charter plane to take him directly to Boulder.

You want up to date stuff on the case, Peter Boyles on from 5 AM til 9 AM each day. Go to KHOW.com link for listening to program live.

Pete has followed this case religiously from day one. He will have Marc Klaas on this morning also.

Locals who have not followed the case, are tarring and feathering Peter!!! Even has had death threats about his position on the R case.

.

 

[TexMex]

Karr's Mother Tried to Kill Him, Family Friend Says
Karr Family Friend Says Mother Tried to Kill Him When He Was a Baby

ATLANTA, Aug. 21, 2006 — - The mother of the suspect in JonBenet Ramsey's murder tried to kill him when he was only a baby, a family friend told ABC News.

John Karr's mother, Patricia Elaine Adcock "made a big round donut [of kindling] and put him in the middle of it," said George McCrary, 76, who said he has known Karr's father, Wexford Karr, for 40 years.

"She just boxed the little baby in and tried to light it," McCrary said. John's older brother Michael "came running in just before she got the flame to the flammable material," McCrary added.

Adcock was later committed to a mental institution. She died in 2000, according to an obituary in the Pittsburgh, Pa., Post-Gazette. Attempts by ABC News to reach immediate members of the Karr family were unsuccessful.
More...

http://abcnews.go.com/US/print?id=2339385

 

[englishleigh]

So apparently mental illness runs in the family....makes me wonder if friends and family are starting to think maybe he did kill JBR and they are trying to help set up an insanity defense?

 

[Buzz Mills]

Karr's Mother Tried to Kill Him, Family Friend Says
Karr Family Friend Says Mother Tried to Kill Him When He Was a Baby

ATLANTA, Aug. 21, 2006 — - The mother of the suspect in JonBenet Ramsey's murder tried to kill him when he was only a baby, a family friend told ABC News.

John Karr's mother, Patricia Elaine Adcock "made a big round donut [of kindling] and put him in the middle of it," said George McCrary, 76, who said he has known Karr's father, Wexford Karr, for 40 years.

"She just boxed the little baby in and tried to light it," McCrary said. John's older brother Michael "came running in just before she got the flame to the flammable material," McCrary added.

Adcock was later committed to a mental institution. She died in 2000, according to an obituary in the Pittsburgh, Pa., Post-Gazette. Attempts by ABC News to reach immediate members of the Karr family were unsuccessful.
More...

http://abcnews.go.com/US/print?id=2339385

Good article TexMex--thanks.

 

[Buzz Mills]

Karr To Face Judge
Suspect In Murder Of JonBenet Ramsey Will Face Judge And Decide Whether To Fight Extradition

LOS ANGELES, Aug. 22, 2006

(CBS/AP) John Mark Karr, suspected in the killing of JonBenet Ramsey, will make his first of many expected court appearances Tuesday when he goes before a judge and decides whether to fight extradition.

Karr's waiver of an extradition hearing would allow authorities to whisk him to Boulder, Colorado — the city where the 6-year-old beauty pageant princess was brutally slain a decade ago. Otherwise the process could take several days, prosecutors say.

"What we're really focusing on is getting him back to Colorado and getting through that first appearance and going from there," said Carolyn French, spokeswoman for the district attorney of Boulder County, where authorities have a sealed arrest warrant for Karr.

The 41-year-old teacher has told reporters he was with JonBenet when she died and that her slaying in the basement of her home on Dec. 26, 1996, was an accident. Little is publicly known, however, about what evidence Boulder officials have.

CBS News correspondent Kelly Cobiella reports that sources said Karr knows too much about the Ramsey house to be lying, details the public couldn't know.

Freelance journalist Mike Sandrock met him, by chance, in Paris four years ago, told Cobiella that Karr knew more about the case than reporters at the hometown paper in Boulder.

"I had an inkling that somehow he was involved in the case and it was just too much. And, like I said, i don't know if he did it, but there's definitely some kind of connection there."

Karr spent Monday in a high-security jail cell, where officials said he met with various lawyers. They included attorneys from the public defender's office and San Jose lawyer Patience Van Zandt, who represented Karr when he was charged in 2001 with possessing child in Northern California.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/22/national/main1918840.shtml