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[curious1]

http://www.brokennewz.com/displaystory.asp_Q_storyid_E_1467karrcoffess

John Mark Karr Gets Trip To France For Riots Confession

John Karr, the self-proclaimed killer of Jon Benet Ramsey has recanted his confession and now proclaims to have ignited the riots that plagued France last year. He also claims to know where more DaVinci clues are hidden in the Vatican. Are these just veiled attempts to get trips to exotic places? Probably, but that's the beauty of his schemes! Karr is said to be writing a travel guide on how anyone can see the country or city of his or her choice simply by lying.

Hee! Thanks for the link. You almost had me, but that's only because I did not have my morning coffee today.

 

[Buzz Mills]

Note Reveals Karr's ''fascination'' with JonBenet Ramsey

LOS ANGELES, CA (AP) -- California detectives say they noted John Karr's ''apparent fascination'' with the JonBenet Ramsey murder five years ago and told authorities in Colorado about it.

The Sonoma County Sheriff's Department says it had Karr under investigation in a child case in 2001. In a statement, it said investigators obtained correspondence in which Karr wrote about Ramsey's murderer. It went on to say Karr ''seemed to be wondering'' about the child beauty queen's murder and ''placing himself in the killer's role.''

However the statement also noted that Sonoma investigators never found a confession or other ''overt'' evidence.

Karr remains in a Los Angeles jail, awaiting transport to Colorado.

http://www.knx1070.com/pages/73281.php?contentType=4&contentId=193636

 

[Wudge]

Wudge, Karr made a very poor choice for an attorney. Don't know if you saw my earlier posting, but Jamie Harmon has been raked over the coals by judges on three separate occasions for providing incorrect advice to her clients. In one case a judge threw a completed case out, when she advised a client to plead guilty in a sexual molestation charge and told him he could have his record expunged after a year, which was completely false.

Beyond Van Zandt, Karr did not understand why he needed another lawyer for the extradition hearing. Karr knew he was going to waive fighting extradition; I suspect he more accepted Harmon than chose her. But I agree that she is, in my mind, not very desirable.

Harmon's background is largely as a prosecutor, and I see that coming through when she talks.

Long-term prosecutors who leave their job to represent defendants are usually weak in PR. Harmon's PR work on behalf of Karr has been horrendous. Unfortunately, the higher a case's profile, the more important it is for a lawyer to have good PR skills.

If a person decides to go for their fifteen minutes of fame, they ought to make sure it reflects well on them. I don't believe Harmon has benefited from her fifteen minutes.

 

[Wudge]

Good Morning Buzz,

I am surprised that a well known lawyer of the ilk such as Gerry Spence or F Lee Bailey haven't come to the forefront to represent Karr. There must be many top notch lawyers likie this, like the gal who defended Kobe Bryant or the gal who represented the teacher in Seattle who had 2 children with one of her students, who would gladly represent this guy.

It must be the case falls into the category of one that will waste a lot of time, and not worth the powder to blow it out of existance!

Scandi

If, as reported, Karr's family did or intends to sell their movie rights to both obtain a quality defense attorney for Karr and provide for his son's education, I think that speaks highly of them. Karr's needs help and, in a much different way, his three sons do too.

With all that has come out about Karr's Mother, Father, his upbringing, his still emerging profile of interest in little girls, etc., I feel for everyone of his family members. Each sunrise brings to their doorstep another chapter in a high-profile horror story. No matter how this case ends for Karr, what has already transpired will severely affect his family for many years.

 

[scandi]

I whole heartedly agree with you Wudge, but am thinking the timing for media release of this information was premature. They could be looking for the right agent to represent their interests to put their plan into place, but think they should have waited until after he was formally charged. If he is not charged in JB's murder either as the primary or as an accomplice by having known who killed her and did not come forward, I don't know if it would be a good enough story for a movie or even a book!

As an aside, I wonder how Mr Spence is doing. I know posters here don't like him especially, but he never lost a case!

Scandi

 

[Buzz Mills]

Inside the Mind of John Karr
Forensic Psychiatrist Offers Expert Insight on JonBenet Ramsey Murder Suspect
By MICHAEL WELNER, M.D.

Aug. 24, 2006 — Dr. Michael Welner, a forensic psychiatrist, is chairman and founder of The Forensic Panel (www.forensicpanel.com), a forensic consulting group that provides peer-reviewed expert testimony in court cases. Welner has been following the latest developments in the JonBenet Ramsey murder case and offers an analysis of suspect John Mark Karr and statements he has made since his Aug. 16 arrest in Thailand.

What do we know already about John Karr's confession?

That it isn't quite a confession. That his account does not match critical facts. That when it does, he speaks of a case for which much information is available, and leaves room for imagination to fill in little details. That Karr speaks to being with JonBenet, but perhaps only in spirit. As a person who has studied confessions of killers and sex offenders, my experience reflects that when child killers confess, they do so with shame and humility. That Karr participated in a press conference with no sign of discomfort was extremely unusual.

What do we know about John Karr?

History is already emerging of a childhood marked by significant emotional trauma, separations from his mother and the disintegration of his home at an early stage. Many individuals who have unnatural and even traumatic separations in their earliest years develop exceptionally fragile senses of selves. Karr is notable for identity conflicts over his sexuality (a pedophile who did not act on his fantasies to the degree he wanted), family (completely estranged from sons and nuclear family for years), residence (moved from the U.S. to places like Honduras, France, and Thailand), and career (identified himself as a teacher, but worked as a caretaker for children as well), and gender (actively pursuing transgender treatment). Many such individuals have an exceptionally active fantasy life, and weave reality and fantasy together, especially in more despairing or stressful times. It is not surprising to see such individuals see powers of the paranormal in themselves.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/LegalCenter/story?id=2351162&page=1

 

[calus_3]

Tell me, someone please tell me.....

Why are we rehashing the fact--in the media--that Karr's confession or statements do not match the crime scene and the evidence? All the while people who made such contradictory statements in the press have already come out and retracted those portions.

There is evidence enough to charge him with specific charges and I believe that will prove he did it. The DA would not throw the entire future of this case to the wind based on the rantings of a madman. The chances that the DA would be able to charge someone else and get a conviction in a case so full of ambiguity is zero.

Give it time, folks

Cal

 

[Buzz Mills]

I whole heartedly agree with you Wudge, but am thinking the timing for media release of this information was premature. They could be looking for the right agent to represent their interests to put their plan into place, but think they should have waited until after he was formally charged. If he is not charged in JB's murder either as the primary or as an accomplice by having known who killed her and did not come forward, I don't know if it would be a good enough story for a movie or even a book!

As an aside, I wonder how Mr Spence is doing. I know posters here don't like him especially, but he never lost a case!

Scandi

OFF TOPIC Gerry Spence handled a case where a Sheriff sitting in the passenger seat of a vehicle, parked in a parking lot, shot and killed a suspect, sitting in the driver's seat, that he was interrogating. Two of the Sheriff's Deputies were sitting in the back seat, and saw the killing, which essentially, to them, appeared to be more of an execution. During the trial, it went badly for the Sheriff, as the two deputies testified against him, saying they didn't see any adverse move by the suspect, that he was going for his gun, which the Sheriff was using for a defense. As the trial progressed, thinks kept getting worse for the Sheriff, and it certainly looked like he would be convicted of murder. On the last day of testimony, by the Defense, Gerry Spence brought a very well known fast draw artist into the court room, and had him demonstrate his fast draw for the court, by going against a deputy known to be very fast on the draw. They even allowed the deputy to hold his gun by his side, where the fast draw artist had his gun holstered. It was absolutely no contest as the fast draw artist was lightning fast, and way ahead of the deputy in successive contests. Then Gerry Spence put the fast draw artist on the stand, and asked him if he knew the Sherriff. The fast draw artist said yes, he knew the Sheriff very well. Then Gerry asked the fast draw artist if he thought if the Sheriff could possibly, upon seeing a movement by the suspect, pull his gun and shoot him, without the deputies in the back seat being aware of what was happening. The fast draw artist said, the Sheriff is very fast on the draw. Gerry Spence said, well just how fast is the Sheriff, to which the fast draw artist said, "He's a mite bit faster than me." End Of Case

 

[Wudge]

I whole heartedly agree with you Wudge, but am thinking the timing for media release of this information was premature. They could be looking for the right agent to represent their interests to put their plan into place, but think they should have waited until after he was formally charged. If he is not charged in JB's murder either as the primary or as an accomplice by having known who killed her and did not come forward, I don't know if it would be a good enough story for a movie or even a book!

As an aside, I wonder how Mr Spence is doing. I know posters here don't like him especially, but he never lost a case!

Scandi

Gerry Spence is a fabulous trial attorney. He remains active in the operation of his Trial Lawyers College.

Many cases are won or lost in vior dire, and, so to speak, Gerry Spence is a truly outstanding picker of which horses to place in the jury box. Plus, Gerry Spence develops a real trust factor with jurors, and, perhaps better than any other trial attorney, he is able to get jurors to take a real hard look at circumstantial evidence from the perspective of the defense.

If you want to read a true page turner, I highly recommend his book entitled: "The Smoking Gun".

 

[packerdog]

Inside the Mind of John Karr
Forensic Psychiatrist Offers Expert Insight on JonBenet Ramsey Murder Suspect
By MICHAEL WELNER, M.D.

Aug. 24, 2006 ? Dr. Michael Welner, a forensic psychiatrist, is chairman and founder of The Forensic Panel (www.forensicpanel.com), a forensic consulting group that provides peer-reviewed expert testimony in court cases. Welner has been following the latest developments in the JonBenet Ramsey murder case and offers an analysis of suspect John Mark Karr and statements he has made since his Aug. 16 arrest in Thailand.

What do we know already about John Karr's confession?

That it isn't quite a confession. That his account does not match critical facts. That when it does, he speaks of a case for which much information is available, and leaves room for imagination to fill in little details. That Karr speaks to being with JonBenet, but perhaps only in spirit. As a person who has studied confessions of killers and sex offenders, my experience reflects that when child killers confess, they do so with shame and humility. That Karr participated in a press conference with no sign of discomfort was extremely unusual.

What do we know about John Karr?

History is already emerging of a childhood marked by significant emotional trauma, separations from his mother and the disintegration of his home at an early stage. Many individuals who have unnatural and even traumatic separations in their earliest years develop exceptionally fragile senses of selves. Karr is notable for identity conflicts over his sexuality (a pedophile who did not act on his fantasies to the degree he wanted), family (completely estranged from sons and nuclear family for years), residence (moved from the U.S. to places like Honduras, France, and Thailand), and career (identified himself as a teacher, but worked as a caretaker for children as well), and gender (actively pursuing transgender treatment). Many such individuals have an exceptionally active fantasy life, and weave reality and fantasy together, especially in more despairing or stressful times. It is not surprising to see such individuals see powers of the paranormal in themselves.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/LegalCenter/story?id=2351162&page=1

Thanks Buzz for the article. WOW this is exactly what I posted yesterday. when he said he was with her when she died, he may have meant in spirit.

 

[LaMer]

and this one:

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=nation_world&id=4485313
Exclusive: Secret Tapes Of John Mark Karr?
California Woman Says Her Audiotapes Hold Thoughts Of The Murder Suspect
By Chris Cuomo and Lara Setrakian

Aug. 22 - Five years ago few Americans had ever heard of John Mark Karr, the man now under arrest for the murder of JonBenet Ramsey. But Wendy Hutchens says she knew him well. Back in 2001, she says, he told her some of his innermost thoughts.

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-Snippet-

"I can see through the eyes of the person who stopped the life of [JonBenet] ... as easily as ... if I did it myself," he says. Hutchens ended up with hours of taped conversations with a man whom she says is Karr. ABC News has exclusively obtained one hour of the tapes, and it reveals a man obsessed with young girls and deeply confused about his own life.

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[Wudge]

Thanks Buzz for the article. WOW this is exactly what I posted yesterday. when he said she was with her when she died, he may have meant in spirit.

When directly asked if he was innocent, Karr replied: No. Moreover, it was reported that Karr said he entered the Ramsey home at 5PM.

Still, Karr could yet prove to be a mental case, and every fruitcake is different.

 

[Stan]

This idiot should get plenty of time in jail for leading law enforcement on this wild goose chase, I'm sick of this guy!! :furious: Without DNA evidence he's just a waste of time! More injustice for JonBenet.

 

[scandi]

Thanks guys, I know it is off topic, but always loved the Perry Mason in this guy. Hopefully these successful and charismatic lawyers are the mentors for many law students today!

Scandi

 

[JDB]

This idiot should get plenty of time in jail for leading law enforcement on this wild goose chase, I'm sick of this guy!! :furious: Without DNA evidence he's just a waste of time! More injustice for JonBenet.

Stan they can not do a thing except have him stand trial in Ca. He made a statement not file a police report. It is the DA fault they went and picked him up. Without all the info first.

 

[MrsMush99]

JMK is on the move.

 

[Peter Hamilton]

Buzz,thanks for those posts of yours--well done

 

[scandi]

Oh, now where is that link to jail info. I think our JBean must still be sleeping! LOL On MSNBC right now they are still saying he is sitting in his 6x9 jail cell.

Scandi

 

[Buzz Mills]

Oh, now where is that link to jail info. I think our JBean must still be sleeping! LOL On MSNBC right now they are still saying he is sitting in his 6x9 jail cell.

Scandi

Here you go Scandi:

http://app4.lasd.org/iic/ajis_search.cfm

 

[MrsMush99]

Scandi, FOX is reporting he is on the move. Just in a few minutes ago.