BREAKING NEWS!!! Decision on Monday

[daffodil]

No need for sarcasm.I am perfectly aware its about Madeleine and her ONLY and so it should be,however if there is no evidence against her parents HOW would justice be served by keeping them suspects?

 

[colomom]

Daffodil:

Wow...I am lost. Who are you addressing??

There was not a bit of sarcasm in my post and I never said anything about them being kept as suspects.

Maybe that was not addressed to me??

Clue me in, please.

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

Poor Madeline. Little girl full of life, energy, a miracle. Gone, just gone. Her MOTHER will not answer 10 questions that may help find her. Her father won't turn over cell phone records that may help find her. No teachers, babysitters, nannys or friends ever mention her, no one seemed to know this little girl. She was there and now she's gone. Guess that means her parents are innocent. Yea for the McCanns, I'm thrilled for them......They finally got what they wanted.

 

[Texana]

They were not cleared.

The McCanns and the other diners refused to answer questions, refused to return to Portugal for a re-enactment, refused to turn over cell phone records.

The investigation was stopped for a lack of evidence, not because the evidence overwhelmingly proved them innocent and another perpetrator was identified.

The discrepancies and evasions they repeatedly caused and produced will forever obscure what actually happened to Madeleine McCann.

And for the millionth time, they are not entirely unresponsible or completely innocent. They chose repeatedly to leave three small children alone in a foreign hotel room either with an unlocked door (abduction, wandering off, accidental poisoning, etc) or locked door (fire.)

I'm not disappointed because the McCanns had "nothing to do with it." We don't know that, and we will never know that for sure, because of the lack of evidence forthcoming from them. Not a cell phone record, not a lie detector test, not a re-enactment, the list goes on.

I'll take that charge of "hater" and raise you one. I hate how the McCanns have acted. I hate how Gerry dismisses his irresponsible act as "quite boring, actually." I hate that he referred to his daughter was "what" was missing rather than "who." I hate that the twins, at every possible opportunity, were photographed, paraded, and mentioned in every way when supposedly their sister had been targeted for abduction. I hate that the twins were the excuse for "family moments" on holiday when they spent the last holiday in daycare or left alone in their room, except for about two hours or so a day.

If that makes me a hater, so be it.

 

[Salem]

Charges may not be pressed against the McCanns, but the McCanns are not innocent. By their own admissions and actions they put Maddie in harm's way. They fail to take responsibility for that, they fail to acknowledge it. But let me make it CLEAR - the McCanns are NOT innocent in this.

It is unfortunate they will not be held responsible for the part they played in whatever happened to Maddie. AND NO I DO NOT THINK IT IS ENOUGH that they will have to live with thier error every day. We know that Maddied cried for them one night, both Kate and Gerry told us so and they turned a deaf ear and a blind eye to their daughter's (and son's) pain and fear. They are not innocent.

These people, for all accounts and purposes, have brains yet expect us to believe they are stupid. No, they are not cleared, at least not by me, not that that means anything. I firmly believe that the McCanns did something to Maddie, besides leaving her alone and in harm's way and I firmly believe that the time will come when the McCanns will have to acknowledge what they did and why. Someday Maddie will be found or new evidence will appear, or one of the Tapas liars will see their way clear to tell the truth.

I don't understand how a person can live with themself, knowing they are harboring a neglectful parent or worse.......

Salem

 

[Texana]

They can live with themselves because they are exactly the same person as before Madeleine disappeared. Kate said herself that she was able to get through the ordeal because "I know I'm a responsible parent."

The levels of denial, justification, and sheer magical thinking are so deep here, there is no problem for them to live with themselves. WHATEVER happened to Madeleine, the McCanns do not dwell on their actions. They have completely separated their actions from Madeleine's fate, as unbelievable as that may be. That's why Gerry could refer to the whole question of leaving them alone as "quite boring, actually.'

I hope you are right, someday, somehow, the truth will out.

And if not in this world, in the next.

 

[april4sky]

I am very pleased for the McCanns that they are no longer considered suspects,I think it is about time :woohoo:.It appears from watching the news reports here that an interpretation problem may have resulted in their becoming suspects and that the blood in the apt was not Madeleines and the car tests were inconclusive.I cant understand how people can be "disappointed","feel hopeless" etc etc,its as if they are upset the McCanns may have had NOTHING to do with Madeleines disappearance after all :waitasec:.If the PLE after all this time have no concrete evidence against them isnt it time to let go of this hatred for the McCanns and accept that yes maybe they arent the most likeable people in the world but that aside they didnt kill Madeleine? I know there are only about 3 here who dont think they did it and I am sure our opinions are even more unwelcome now but there you go - it is what it is.

You do understand daffodil :blowkiss: IMO, though I do think you are being kind regarding the "arguido" reason.
The PJ are just making excuses!! IMO. I believe their interpretation was done deliberately.
And true to form they are still trying to smear everyone but themselves.

An example of the PJ at work can be seen in the time since they handed over the files. :waitasec:
In that short time there has been a mad rush of the usual predictable leaks, rumours, and smears. :furious:
And true to form none of them have turned out to be true.

It's clear the McCanns should never have been made arguidos!! :furious:
And while I am thankful this has now been removed I am more angry that the search for Madeleine was all but destroyed by Goncalo Amaral and the rest of his inept unprofessional "men" :furious: :furious: Not forgetting who then knowingly ran with the smears..The press, the hate sites and bloggers.

No matter the circumstances of her disapearance Madeleine deserved nothing less than an honest and professional investigation. IMO.

I am delighted there is no evidence that Madeleine is dead...to me that means there is still hope for her which makes yesterday a good day.

Finding Madeleine is the priority for me.
My wish now is that finding her becomes the focus again.

 

[Salem]

Well, we will have to see how long those PI's stay on the payroll, won't we? I'm guessing in a month's time, the McCanns will have forgotten they ever hired PI to begin with. Be interesting to see how the remainder of the money is spent, also. I'll give them 6 months for that, then maybe they will give us an accounting? What do you think?

Salem

 

[Texana]

Well, we will have to see how long those PI's stay on the payroll, won't we? I'm guessing in a month's time, the McCanns will have forgotten they ever hired PI to begin with. Be interesting to see how the remainder of the money is spent, also. I'll give them 6 months for that, then maybe they will give us an accounting? What do you think?

Salem

I'll spring for a year. We must get a lottery pool going.

 

[ThoughtFox]

To me this is simple - being found "unchargable" is not the same as "not guilty" or "innocent."

A child is still missing.

If some of you expect a big cheer to go up because the McCanns got off, forget about it. Most of us don't give a rat's patootie about them since they have been slamming the police and the media since ten minutes after Maddie disappeared.

The trouble is, see . . . she was their daughter and their responsibility. None of this would have happened if not for their actions. It's not the fault of the police, the media, or anyone who questions the McCanns. They are still guilty of neglect because they are the parents, and that is not an "innocent" thing.

That's a fact, and has nothing to do with personalities or whether the McCanns are attractive or likable.

 

[april4sky]

Well, we will have to see how long those PI's stay on the payroll, won't we? I'm guessing in a month's time, the McCanns will have forgotten they ever hired PI to begin with. Be interesting to see how the remainder of the money is spent, also. I'll give them 6 months for that, then maybe they will give us an accounting? What do you think?

Salem

Not sure who you are addressing here Salem. :waitasec:
But if it's me you won't be surprised to hear I still disagree with you. :blowkiss:

I think the search will go on for Madeleine for as long as it takes and they can afford to keep it going.
I completely agree with Kate McCann when she said last night....regarding the arguido status and the search.....
"It has been equally devastating to witness the detrimental effect this status has had on the search for Madeleine."
Without doubt IMO.

So I hope they can raise money for the fund by suing the pants of the Portuguese press now and any others who have smeared and lied about them..unfortunately I doubt they can sue the PJ.
It's no surprise that the very questionable Goncalo Amaral "who is himself on criminal charges" and was fired from this investigation is now making money out of Madeleine.

 

[Barnaby]

Well, we will have to see how long those PI's stay on the payroll, won't we? I'm guessing in a month's time, the McCanns will have forgotten they ever hired PI to begin with. Be interesting to see how the remainder of the money is spent, also. I'll give them 6 months for that, then maybe they will give us an accounting? What do you think?

Salem

Salem, I think you are so right about the PI's fading away! However, if you think that the public will EVER receive an honest accounting of Fund expenditure then I think you are very wrong. That will never happen unless investigated by law & I for one have given up hope of the law ever being allowed to intervene appropriately in this case!
At the risk of sounding boring, I say again there is someone or something big in this case & the McCanns have heavy guns protecting them!

 

[Barnaby]

GONCALO AMARAL ON BBC TV TONIGHT - MUST SEE!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7517883.stm

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Thank you for the link Tony, very interesting that an experienced policeman was convinced from early on that Madeleine died in the apartment.

 

[gord]

well it has been a long 14 months of waiting - and now we have the answer from the Portugese - no evidence of anything that can charge the arguidos - I am not surprised as it was my gut instinct from the beginning .


I know it is not the answer that most people here wanted - But surely people must give the legal system its due coure. The PJ invetigated everything from DNA to witnesses . Are we really saying that the PJ are that inept - Many times I have read here that the PJ could be trusted and were an efficient an proud force who would diligently break this case . - Maybe not now

I suppose as was said somewhere in this thread - minds were made up early enough and nothing will change them - so be it .

I am still surprised at the venim and hatred ( yes I do use that word as that is what I see ) for the Mccaans - But I suppose human nature being what it is - I suppose you cant change that

It is interesting to see the amount of what we called facts were no more than internet myths , rumours and newspaper reports .

The saddest thing is that we still do not know what happened to Madeline - maybe we never will - Maybe she was just taken and killed hundreds of miles away - the killer just an anonymous murderer who preys on innocent children . There are people like that out there - sadly it does happen.

I know this wont be the end - it will drag on on and on - with more rumour , more wild theories etc etc .

anyway at least we have a sort of an end .

 

[Barnaby]

No end Gord & I am sick of hearing that it is hatred for the McCanns, if you read up at other posts, noone here gives a toss about the McCanns other than the despicable way in which they have acted since their daughter's demise! Most despicable of all after their negligence is the fact that they would not answer questions nor turn over phone records to assist Police, plus of course all of their lies.
Please give me an explanation for those things & I might see your point of view!

 

[gord]

No end Gord & I am sick of hearing that it is hatred for the McCanns, if you read up at other posts, noone here gives a toss about the McCanns other than the despicable way in which they have acted since their daughter's demise! Most despicable of all after their negligence is the fact that they would not answer questions nor turn over phone records to assist Police, plus of course all of their lies.
Please give me an explanation for those things & I might see your point of view!

I cant understand why people are now saying this is nothing to with the Mccaans ?? the whole debate for the year was about them and if they had done it - come on every thread seemed to be about them - what they did , what Kate looked like , do you believe them - how did they do it etc

To say that ho -one now gives a toss about the Mcaans seems a bit much

again you are falling into the trap of believing everything you read or have read - how do you know what questions were asked or answered - I mean really know - how do you know they didnt give them their phone records -

Do you honestly think that they have managed to out wit the PJ , the FSS , and the police -

This case was always going to be about the PJ doing their job however slowly - looking at what evidence or not there was and then coming to a fair and proper conclusion - its called law - and thank god we have it

You might not like it - but I cant see how you or anyone sitting at a screen could possibly have more insight into this case than the prodessionals on the ground

 

[Texana]

For starters, Gord, I know they didn't give their phone records, because a Portuguese court ruled they didn't have to turn them over. They were asked, they refused, it went to court, the ruling was in favor of the McCanns.

That is not a rumor, it's a fact.

 

[Barnaby]

I cant understand why people are now saying this is nothing to with the Mccaans ?? the whole debate for the year was about them and if they had done it - come on every thread seemed to be about them - what they did , what Kate looked like , do you believe them - how did they do it etc

To say that ho -one now gives a toss about the Mcaans seems a bit much

again you are falling into the trap of believing everything you read or have read - how do you know what questions were asked or answered - I mean really know - how do you know they didnt give them their phone records -

Do you honestly think that they have managed to out wit the PJ , the FSS , and the police -

This case was always going to be about the PJ doing their job however slowly - looking at what evidence or not there was and then coming to a fair and proper conclusion - its called law - and thank god we have it

You might not like it - but I cant see how you or anyone sitting at a screen could possibly have more insight into this case than the prodessionals on the ground

Gord there is a difference in this being about the McCanns & actually hating the McCanns. People have accused this of being one of the hate sites. Noone here hates the Mccanns as people but hate what they did in not coperating with the police in order to help find the child.
Any parents who genuinely wanted to find a child would bare their souls & give all they had! All the McCanns did was refuse to cooperate & beg for money! Not once did they offer anything they had as a reward, not once did they offer a cent! I would have immediately said take my house, my car, all that I own, I will return home & live in a cardboard box as long as I have my daughter home safe with me!
As Texana said above, yes we know they wouldn't give their phone records! Not everything that was said about them was untrue & anyway the documents are public now so people will see how accurate or inaccurate the reporting was!

Do I think they have outwitted police etc? I think they have got off on technicalities & insufficient evidence, I do not think they have outwitted the police, I think the police have known from the beginning that the child died in the apartment they just needed to have an airtight case with all the Govt protection shown to the McCanns & decided not to proceed because that was not the case! I am convinced there was huge pressure from high ranking UK officials!
Face it, there is definite proof of negligence, so why not prosecute for that? The McCanns have someone big in their corner! I would love to know why!

 

[april4sky]

For starters, Gord, I know they didn't give their phone records, because a Portuguese court ruled they didn't have to turn them over. They were asked, they refused, it went to court, the ruling was in favor of the McCanns.

That is not a rumor, it's a fact.

Not fact Texana. This was reported in May 08.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topsto...nn-s-fury-after-14-texts-slur-89520-20432830/

But Gerry and wife Kate have dismissed the claims as "utter rubbish".
A source close to them said: "They have had their phone records available for inspection for months. But the police never asked for them. And now they have formally asked, they have been refused.
"Any suggestion of Gerry receiving 10 texts the day before Madeleine disappeared are utter rubbish.
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Depends who you believe!!
If the McCanns had really refused to hand over their phone records don't you think the PJ would have leaked this to their friends in the press a long time ago.
Either way by 08 I wouldn't have trusted the PJ with anything!!​

 

[gord]

Gord there is a difference in this being about the McCanns & actually hating the McCanns. People have accused this of being one of the hate sites. Noone here hates the Mccanns as people but hate what they did in not coperating with the police in order to help find the child.
Any parents who genuinely wanted to find a child would bare their souls & give all they had! All the McCanns did was refuse to cooperate & beg for money! Not once did they offer anything they had as a reward, not once did they offer a cent! I would have immediately said take my house, my car, all that I own, I will return home & live in a cardboard box as long as I have my daughter home safe with me!
As Texana said above, yes we know they wouldn't give their phone records! Not everything that was said about them was untrue & anyway the documents are public now so people will see how accurate or inaccurate the reporting was!

Do I think they have outwitted police etc? I think they have got off on technicalities & insufficient evidence, I do not think they have outwitted the police, I think the police have known from the beginning that the child died in the apartment they just needed to have an airtight case with all the Govt protection shown to the McCanns & decided not to proceed because that was not the case! I am convinced there was huge pressure from high ranking UK officials!
Face it, there is definite proof of negligence, so why not prosecute for that? The McCanns have someone big in their corner! I would love to know why!

Goverment protection ?? for a child murder - well there are theories and theories - I have seen the conspiracy theory trotted out many times - I even saw one that said Gerry and Gordon Brown were gay and having an affair - just dont buy this goverment cover up in a million years -

I suppose nothing will ever convice you - its your opinion and fair enough


all I know that they were fully investigated and there was no crime to answer for - no forensics - no witnesses - no last minute confession - no body

good enough for me .